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[Rockheart]

I'm saying that you're looking in the wrong places. The traits that you mentioned in your posts are all specific to a particular subgroup of people in general, which you're misappropriating to trans people as a whole.

You are getting what i am saying, I am not saying I am looking at all necessarily.
I am saying I have met hundreds if not thousands of tgirls.
In my experience the majority think this way I have described, I am sorry to say.
I met escorts, non-escorts, post-ops, pre-ops, inops etc. etc.
I am not complaining that I couldn't find a relationship, I am responding based on my 20 years of experience.

The fact is in North America the majority of TS escort at one time or another.
I have in fact met 1 TS that has truly never escorted.
Many i have met didn't escort much, but they still did it to pay for stuff.
In Thailand many will get normal jobs rather than sex work, but they are more accepted over there.
TS in Thailand also have more respect for the rest of society than over in our society.
They are polite and don't push their values where they are not wanted.

What is the particular sub group you think I am talking about?
I still don't understand what you are trying to say?
Are you telling me I am wrong about my observations?
Fine but tell me why or how you think I am wrong, don't say i have been hanging with the wrong crowd.
I have not been hanging with any crowd in particular.
There is not a secret legion of TS that is completely separate from the rest of the community.

I have been observing the community for years in many places and countries.
I can't even count how many girls have told me they got into porn and escorting because they felt they should get paid for sex.
The fact is TS will have an attitude towards relationships similar to that of a man, because they have a similar sex drive.
Generally they are not going to experience that nesting feeling that GG women has that causes them to crave a relationship and a baby.

[zara]

Widespread Acceptance is Key

I've read through all the pages in this thread so I don't end up covering what was already mentioned. I have to say I like the fact that Thailand came up in this thread. Acceptance in society is key to a normal dating experience and makes it a lot easier to find a trans-girl to date. When you accept a group of people in any society, suddenly there's more of them because they come out of the shadows, so to speak. They also tend to finish their higher education and get regular jobs with pay that can finance a decent transition. This makes escorting more of an option and less of a must for most trans-girls. We'll have to wait a while until Canada and the States reach that level (if you work in Toronto and your company ever organized sensitivity training or a workshop regarding transgender people in the workplace, speak up; I haven't heard of a single such case). Another thing is that we shouldn't generalize guys or trans-girls in terms of what they want because in the end you date one person, and that person is unique. One great example relating to this is that trans-girls who are early in their transition do have a higher sex drive as most guys do and they see sex in a similar way. However, as you're getting closer to the end of transition, you learn a lot about sex from a woman's perspective and you begin to enjoy it like a girl, not like a guy. Finding a trans-girl who acts like a horny guy 24/7 but looks like a supermodel is a myth- easy to understand once you read about what a transition is supposed to do.

[Tia Phoenixx]

I've read through all the pages in this thread so I don't end up covering what was already mentioned. I have to say I like the fact that Thailand came up in this thread. Acceptance in society is key to a normal dating experience and makes it a lot easier to find a trans-girl to date. When you accept a group of people in any society, suddenly there's more of them because they come out of the shadows, so to speak. They also tend to finish their higher education and get regular jobs with pay that can finance a decent transition. This makes escorting more of an option and less of a must for most trans-girls. We'll have to wait a while until Canada and the States reach that level (if you work in Toronto and your company ever organized sensitivity training or a workshop regarding transgender people in the workplace, speak up; I haven't heard of a single such case). Another thing is that we shouldn't generalize guys or trans-girls in terms of what they want because in the end you date one person, and that person is unique. One great example relating to this is that trans-girls who are early in their transition do have a higher sex drive as most guys do and they see sex in a similar way. However, as you're getting closer to the end of transition, you learn a lot about sex from a woman's perspective and you begin to enjoy it like a girl, not like a guy. Finding a trans-girl who acts like a horny guy 24/7 but looks like a supermodel is a myth- easy to understand once you read about what a transition is supposed to do.

True. Yes, we are unique.

Btw, Thailand is a good example of how Trans people can live with better acceptance from Society (along with the Philippines and other South East Asian Country, including Malaysia and Indonesia though majority of us are moslem), but nothing can beat Samoa in term of acceptance. I never see such place like this. Tgirls live and mingle comfortably in the society. It's recognized and fully accepted culturally

So girls...if you get lonely....don't hesitate to have a holiday in this lovely, unique country. You might end up with a husband once your holiday is over. Seriously!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine

[xoxJanexox]

Where on the map of reality is it easy to even date a genetic girl!
Why some men sitting behind computer screens think dating a t-girl would be easier!

Take Toronto as an example, how many t-girls are there? And how many genetic girls are there? Fix the ratio and you can imagine the X Factor.

The majority of men who raise these questions are the ones who are sitting behind their computer screens and watching escorts photos and having spins of delusion to find a t-girl along that caliber to date either seriously or causally!

Alot of genetic girls now in North America are refraining from the dating scene. Dating a stunner is next to impossible! And dating a stunner t-girl is mission impossible!

Why all these whiny men don't go and date all the t-girls advertising on CL. They are not passable enough?
But, they are t-girls, aren't they?!

East Asia is different as a society and more traditional, but this applies to both genetic girls and t-girls.

[candyhilton]

Love your comments <3

Where on the map of reality is it easy to even date a genetic girl!
Why some men sitting behind computer screens think dating a t-girl would be easier!

Take Toronto as an example, how many t-girls are there? And how many genetic girls are there? Fix the ratio and you can imagine the X Factor.

The majority of men who raise these questions are the ones who are sitting behind their computer screens and watching escorts photos and having spins of delusion to find a t-girl along that caliber to date either seriously or causally!

Alot of genetic girls now in North America are refraining from the dating scene. Dating a stunner is next to impossible! And dating a stunner t-girl is mission impossible!

Why all these whiny men don't go and date all the t-girls advertising on CL. They are not passable enough?
But, they are t-girls, aren't they?!

East Asia is different as a society and more traditional, but this applies to both genetic girls and t-girls.

How true is this! What a wonderful perspective!
as far as these guys go, I really truly do believe it all comes down to delusional men with over expectations!

[rider014]

This may seem like a dumb question.... But is it?

I've been following this thread for a few days now and have seen some great points being made. My dumb ass question to all is, what constitutes a long term relationship? A month? A year? A decade? Forever? There's a lot to ponder when something like this is brought up.

[TSFantasia]

I've been following this thread for a few days now and have seen some great points being made. My dumb ass question to all is, what constitutes a long term relationship? A month? A year? A decade? Forever? There's a lot to ponder when something like this is brought up.

I think it is more about the intentions of both people in the relationship than the amount of time. The intent being to be in an exclusive ongoing relationship with the other person and taking the relationship as far as it carries you...exclusive dating....living together....engagement & marriage....til death do us part....or split up/dvorce....back to square one