PUTIN: Next Stalin or Hitler? Who's Going To Blink/Backdown?

[Rockheart]

LMAO!!! You are seriously funny!! University degrees don't make you smart, you are clearly "NOT SMART!" You firstly attacked me...if you read so much go back and read this thread from page one. You've attacked me because you don't like what "I" was saying. You've been telling me I'm wrong right thru...why? Because you read a book! I didn't get my experience from a book...I got mine from walking the streets in Egypt with a rifle, Bosnia...with a rifle...who needs books! You don't even know where Ukraine belonged before Russia! You seem to think Ukraine always belonged to Russia and I'm telling you you are WRONG and I am RIGHT! I don't have any degrees but guess what, my wife has 2 masters degrees, speaks 5 languages including Russian, Polish (hint...read history of Poland/Ukraine) and Ukrainian...because she was born and raised in Ukraine. How much history Ukraine and Russian history do you think I learned from her? Lots, dude!

I posted independently my thoughts on this issue.
I didn't reply to you, you replied to me.
You told me I was wrong because my personal habits, even though you have never met me.

There is a difference in telling someone they are wrong about the issue being discussed and telling them they are wrong for some other reason that has nothing to do with the topic.

I haven't posted anything that is plain wrong like you have, I have just pointed this out over and over.
You like to use arguments about stuff that isn't real.
My arguments and opinions are based on my experience and observations, I have not state anything that is not true.
You have posted a dozen things that are just plain not true or lies.

You haven't explained what you are right about you just keep saying you are right and I am wrong.
Then you say "read a book", now you say books are useless?
What is your deal man?

My family is from Moldova which also used to be part of Russia.
And it was Russia at the time they left.
Ukraine can want to be separate from Russia all they want, but they have proven they cannot do it.
Quebec wants to separate from Canada all the time, it does not mean that it is good idea.
It is just a bunch of emotional people who are not thinking straight.

I never once insulted your person, I challenged your facts which is what a debate is about.
You just say I am wrong and you are right for no particular reason other than you think i smoke pot.
Only people with no leg to stand on, that resort to personal attacks on things that are not related to the discussion.

[vancouverman]

Umm.. I love Canada.. and ya over $250k In GST alone..

I hate lots of USA government policies.. Not Americans..

I don't go to countries that hold indefinitely without charge.. Even if I could go to the USA I wouldn't..

I certainly don't appreciate some dickhead that sucks on the government's tit calling me a welfare whore..

I do not support starving the 3rd world for our decadence.. I would give it up for guaranteed equality..

I do not support the Canadian Government selling off our energy sector to private USA owned companies..

You think Iraq is better now? I know a few Iraqi's and umm.. it's not better there.. it's much worse now.. bombings every day.. 1 million dead according to the UN..

The whole USA thing is bullshit.. Did you hear about Obama's fuck up today? His speech writer screwed up and Obama said that Kosovo had a referendum and it was legal and the one in Crimea was not.. There was no referendum in Kosovo and the USA bombed it without United Nations approval..

Is the Russian way better.. I don't know.. But I think the American way has lost it's way..

Now when the US Dollar looses it's status as the world reserve currency the USA might go for shit.. Currently the Oligarchs of the world bank are desperately working on creating a new "World" reserve currency that has no borders.. The other option is the Chinese Yuan..

If the USA ends up going for shit (which I hope it doesn't) then Canada should get ready for about 30 million+ american refugees..

Just imagine the fun that will be for our beautiful country.. Which by the way is the most best place on the fucking planet..

I love how you ignored my points and went back into your anti-usa bile again. you run around thinking you are a perfect 10 and know everything and are always right and every human being desires you and only you.

[Alexis]

I love how you ignored my points and went back into your anti-usa bile again. you run around thinking you are a perfect 10 and know everything and are always right and every human being desires you and only you.

Umm.. WTF are you talking about??

Perfect 10? lol.. Not even in my dreams..

The USA system has run amuck and someone else should impose a different system.. even the USA can impose a different system..

You, me and everyone else who enjoy's the decadence we have here does it on the backs of starving people all over the world whether you want to face it or not..

The reality is that the corporations are most likely going to take over everything until there's a big war or a new system or both..

Hopefully this won't be until I'm long dead.. hopefully it won't be at all really.. wouldn't want wish that on my kids..

I'd like to see the USA not torture people and hold them for years without charges.. then letting them go and saying sorry just a mistake..

One thing you'll notice is that I don't bash the Canadian government that much.. We aren't war mongers.. Overall Harper did a decent enough job to get us through the recession.. We're only about 5 feet under not 6.. Our troops that we send places are going with the intention of the greater good.. Canada does not act unilaterally and attack other nations on false pretenses..

We are home to tens of thousands of war refugees.. Even TGilrs that are refugees..

There's nothing wrong with me not supporting the fascist right wing un-elected party that controls Ukraine.. I oppose war in general..

[TSFantasia]

Pudding Putin in His Place

I think we all kiss and makeup at the end




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErW3QhsRBeQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcTPhAp3Ax8

[TSFantasia]

ea

So if you hate Ukraine so much why do you want to defend it.
I know lots of people that live in Kiev and they just love it, my friend owns 3 apartments there.

The United States is the most dangerous place on earth dude, sorry you don't believe it but it is true.
They have more of the worst things on earth.

You come here and spout stuff that isn't true then take personal attacks on me.

Fuck off if you can't debate something without the personal attacks.
You spout BS then insult me when you are shown wrong.

I am tired of you spouting stuff that isn't true then call me names and insult my person.
You don't even know me.

Canada sucks shit and I want to give up my residency and live somewhere I don't have to pay 60% of my income on tax.
Everyone whining about every little issue and crying how they are so hard done by, who needs it.
Assholes who insult people because they cannot come up with a good argument.

You seem to think that being poor is bad, it is not.
There is difference between starving and not having a lot of wealth.

To say the US has some dangerous areas in some cities would be true to just make a blanket statement that it is "the most dangerous place on earth" is just so far from the truth, the facts, the stats, and reality. It still ranks as one of the top 10 countries in the world to live with personal freedoms & personal safety being key factors. And Canada rates higher than the US. The major cities may all have their slum/ghetto/hood areas and problems with gangs in those areas , which at times spills over to other parts of the city but most cities are relatively safe if you know what areas to stay away from. A lot of countries that cater to the tourism industry like Thailand, the Caribbean, Mexico, etc, do have friendly people at least the face they present to tourists at 4 and 5 star resorts. But most of these same people live in poverty and would give their eye teeth to swap places with us and live in Canada or the US.

https://likes.com/misc/the-25-most-d...s-in-the-world
One link to some of the worlds most dangerous cities with Latin America holding the monopoly.

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/...-live-in-2014/
Best Countries to live in/Quality of life Index 2014.

[Rockheart]

ea

To say the US has some dangerous areas in some cities would be true to just make a blanket statement that it is "the most dangerous place on earth" is just so far from the truth, the facts, the stats, and reality. It still ranks as one of the top 10 countries in the world to live with personal freedoms & personal safety being key factors. And Canada rates higher than the US. The major cities may all have their slum/ghetto/hood areas and problems with gangs in those areas , which at times spills over to other parts of the city but most cities are relatively safe if you know what areas to stay away from. A lot of countries that cater to the tourism industry like Thailand, the Caribbean, Mexico, etc, do have friendly people at least the face they present to tourists at 4 and 5 star resorts. But most of these same people live in poverty and would give their eye teeth to swap places with us and live in Canada or the US.

https://likes.com/misc/the-25-most-d...s-in-the-world
One link to some of the worlds most dangerous cities with Latin America holding the monopoly.

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/...-live-in-2014/
Best Countries to live in/Quality of life Index 2014.

Overall USA is the most dangerous country there is, in my experience.
There is places that are safer but for the most part you can get shot down by anyone anywhere in the US.
Everyone has a gun, under their jacket, it is a fact.
Elementary schools are war zones, you don't see this in ANY other country.
The chances of getting shot in your school are incredibly high.

There other factors besides just getting killed.
You have higher chance of being thrown in jail as the US for any reason.
The United States has the most people in jail of any country and they have the most gangs and drugs.
People live in gated communities all over the US to keep the scum out of their neighbourhood.
The personal crime rate in the US is retarded.
I have nearly been shot twice and had to run for my life, this has never happened to me in an country.

Mexico is fairly dangerous, Thailand is not dangerous at all.
Mexico is totally different than many tourist countries because they do keep the scum and regular population separated from the tourists, which is why i have never been there or Las Vegas, I hate fake.
The latin countries tend to be fairly violent and crime filled with gangs.
The US is the main reason that Mexico is the way it is today.
The United States appetite for illegal drugs is second none in the world.
They are ruining other countries with their problems.
Mexicans flee to the US because it is only a better option, not perfect option.
They are all in danger from the gangs that the US has created and allowed to flourish.

Thailand is not like these places. It is safe everywhere in Thailand.
I don't just go to resorts, in fact I hardly go to resorts there.
As I said to the other guy, poor doesn't necessarily mean you are desparate.
We are full of ourselves when we think everyone just wants to move here.
You are kind of making blanket statements when you compare these things.

I have been to Rio and it is fairly dangerous and full of gangs.
However in contrast to the US people are so poor they cannot even afford a gun.
They are under the thumb of gangs or police so the capacity for individuals to commit crime is low.
But if stay away from the slums you will never have trouble.
In the State you can have trouble anywhere.
I was nearly killed near the projects in New Orleans, and I was nearly shot and mugged in a high class neighbourhood in Dallas.

I mean ya you can find some very nice places in the US to live but none of them are far from pure trouble.
You can live the Hamptons or somewhere like that but generally everywhere has problems.
There more drug addicts in the US than anywhere generally and just more drugs and more kinds.

You can look at stats all you want but from my experience and what I have seen there is no where more dangerous overall than than US. People have access to dangerous weapons and wherewithal to buy and use them independently.

Poor does not mean dangerous or violent or even sad.
There is a difference between starving and just not being wealthy.
Thailand, for example is a paradise. You don't need much money.
Why would they want to move out of their nice warm hut with free food all around,
then move to a cold country where everything costs a fortune?

My main point is Russia and Ukraine are no more dangerous than the United States.
Perhaps there is less personals freedoms in some ways, but you also are not going to get shot by some redneck or kid who is on too much ritalin.
To say people are worse off or unhappy because the are less wealthy or don't live in Canada or the US is not correct.
The most important things in life have nothing to do with money, but we forget this in North America.
Because we only care about money.

You can look at the Stats and peoples desire to move to the US.
There is just and ugly seething underbelly there that no will admit exists.
Sure it is safer for tourists than many other countries, but that is not the only measure.
You have to look at how dangerous it is for the people who live there.

[Rockheart]

I like this slide show, it shows some the US you might not see.
There has been much of Detroit I have seen and it is scary.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfi...gerous-cities/

The US is dangerous partly because of the high cost of living, people that are poor or on drugs are far more desparate because stuff costs way more. This is in contrast to Mexico, Thailand or South America where the cost of living is low and it is easy to survive on little money. If you have no money for drugs or any opportunity to get any, you have less problems.

In the States it is easy for desperate people to find some valuables or people with money to violate.
Drugs are highly available and the ability to acquire them is always there too, by crime or not.
This is what personal freedom gets you.

So getting back to Russia and Ukraine.
The point I was trying to make is that life in Russia is not as bad as everyone thinks.
It may not be up to the capitalist standards of the USA and the personal freedoms are less.
The limitation on some personal freedoms actually keeps them safer by controlling drugs and crime at the core.
The threat of prosecution is a huge deterrent on personal crime there, as in China and other controlling states.
You just can't assume everyone hates living there.

It is just people thinking that in North America life is so much better and everyone in Russia would die to come here.
They have a long culture and history and sure they have a lower quality of life in financial standards than the US for example.
However they have higher family values, closer family ties and a national pride that is in all people.
You also see this in Thailand where the people are fiercely loyal to the King even though historically the monarchy has been quite repressive to the people. People in Thailand are happy with their levels of income, they don't need much. Simplicity in life is overlooked.

Our society is all family problems, kids on drugs to keep them in line and family values going out the door.
We jump to protect any minority, no matter how small or off the wall.
Money is number one, over family and social activities.
Life is not simple here, you have to struggle to survive.
Choosing to be poor is not an option because you will starve or freeze to death.
If you do get a job more than half your salary goes to tax and you are mired in paperwork with everything you do.

So my main point is life over in Russia and Ukraine is not as bad as people seem to think.
We demonize the whole country based on our hatred of them as an enemy.
This demonization is perpetuated in our media and by our governments.
Ukraine would be far more peaceful and stable under the control of Russia.
As of late Ukraine has just been a shit show and in pure anarchy.
Why would a stable country like Russia want that going on next door?
Who's to say this illegitimate government in Ukraine didn't have eyes on taking over Russia's Naval base or something like that.
If a US military base was threatened in another region, they would take it over in an instant.
It is also assumed that that things are less corrupt in our countries when in fact it is far worse and at higher levels.

[vancouverman]

Umm.. WTF are you talking about??

Perfect 10? lol.. Not even in my dreams..

The USA system has run amuck and someone else should impose a different system.. even the USA can impose a different system..

You, me and everyone else who enjoy's the decadence we have here does it on the backs of starving people all over the world whether you want to face it or not..

The reality is that the corporations are most likely going to take over everything until there's a big war or a new system or both..

Hopefully this won't be until I'm long dead.. hopefully it won't be at all really.. wouldn't want wish that on my kids..

I'd like to see the USA not torture people and hold them for years without charges.. then letting them go and saying sorry just a mistake..

One thing you'll notice is that I don't bash the Canadian government that much.. We aren't war mongers.. Overall Harper did a decent enough job to get us through the recession.. We're only about 5 feet under not 6.. Our troops that we send places are going with the intention of the greater good.. Canada does not act unilaterally and attack other nations on false pretenses..

We are home to tens of thousands of war refugees.. Even TGilrs that are refugees..

There's nothing wrong with me not supporting the fascist right wing un-elected party that controls Ukraine.. I oppose war in general..

In this thread, other threads, and some youtube you put up, you are just regurgitating the same "New world order, illuminati, corrupt banking, federal reserve, etc" stuff that has been going on for decades. Yet you present it here like you have done some amazing research and discovered this for yourself. These arguments and theories have been around for a long time and you are essentially just cutting and pasting them.

I will take our corrupt system any day of the week over many other parts of the world (including Russia and Eastern Europe that you seem to uphold). We have lots of problems but we still have a country where most people who work hard and educate themselves can build an nice comfortable joyous life with love and family. America has a long list of problems and bad parts to them, but they are the best country in the world to have as a neighbour because they would lay their troops lives down to protect us if someone tried to invade or annex us. They get shit on a lot by Canadians but we should appreciate them a little bit more than we do. American bashing has become very fashionable in Canada the last 20 years and I think it has gone a lot farther than it should.

And by the way, you are not banned for life. You can apply, and would likely get, a waiver to re enter the country (assuming you do not let them know you are an escort and assuming you have not got a conviction since this pot thing). You just have to get a good lawyer and pay the costs. Yeah, you probably don't want to give them a dime, but there is a path you can take if you want to visit there again. Being bitter about it for life is not a solution.

[Alexis]

In this thread, other threads, and some youtube you put up, you are just regurgitating the same "New world order, illuminati, corrupt banking, federal reserve, etc" stuff that has been going on for decades. Yet you present it here like you have done some amazing research and discovered this for yourself. These arguments and theories have been around for a long time and you are essentially just cutting and pasting them.

Apparently you only have your ill conceived perception of my view of the world..

I don't believe in Illuminati.. I'm talking about powerful rich people that use their wealth to hedge markets and push their agendas of control and profit.. You should look up some "real" publications about hedging and market manipulation, monopolies and private consortiums that fix pricing..

Cutting and pasting.. yes.. learning to use my publishing software actually.. That reminds me I gotta finish making the next one..

I have done something, which is to put my opinion out there to be criticized and to stand behind it.. publicly..

You brave enough & technically capable to do that?

I will take our corrupt system any day of the week over many other parts of the world (including Russia and Eastern Europe that you seem to uphold). We have lots of problems but we still have a country where most people who work hard and educate themselves can build an nice comfortable joyous life with love and family. America has a long list of problems and bad parts to them, but they are the best country in the world to have as a neighbour because they would lay their troops lives down to protect us if someone tried to invade or annex us. They get shit on a lot by Canadians but we should appreciate them a little bit more than we do. American bashing has become very fashionable in Canada the last 20 years and I think it has gone a lot farther than it should.

Canada is by far the best country in the world..

I'll take our current corrupt system at the moment too.. But I'm gonna bitch about it publicly and encourage others to do so as well so we don't keep getting ripped off by assholes we supposedly elected.. The Canadian Government does ok.. but they need to do way better.. Perhaps follow a financial model like Germany or Switzerland instead of the American one.. Some of the Northern Eruo nations run a profit not a deficit and that's how we should try to do it..

If the USA had to lay down lives to protect us.. which they would.. they'd send us a huge fucking bill..

However.. No one is going to invade Canada unless they are tying to attack the USA..

I can shit on anyone's hateful and criminal mistreatment of people.. America bashing has become popular because of the shit they're doing..

And by the way, you are not banned for life. You can apply, and would likely get, a waiver to re enter the country (assuming you do not let them know you are an escort and assuming you have not got a conviction since this pot thing). You just have to get a good lawyer and pay the costs. Yeah, you probably don't want to give them a dime, but there is a path you can take if you want to visit there again. Being bitter about it for life is not a solution.

I guess you didn't read what I typed.. I'm fully aware of the waiver thing.. Did you know that even if you have a pardon that now they know somehow and still refuse people entry? Somehow Homeland security has access to Canadian criminal records that have been removed from the system which is a violation of privacy, a pardon is a pardon.. You have to keep renewing that waiver and paying them hundreds of dollars every time it expires. if you want to get back in..

What to go see in the usa.. hmm.. nothing I haven't seen already.. Yellowstone is nice.. I was there many times before 9/11 and that was after I got busted for pot..

I have nothing against Americans.. I fully oppose certain USA government policies, the bankster run economic structure (originated in Germany not USA), their CIA actions and their meddling in world affairs that cause more harm and chaos than good..

Obama speaking to us of the need for human rights and then today Obama was kissing the Saudi king's asshole so they buy more guns, planes, missiles and armoured vehicles.. The Saudi's are the worst in the world for human rights, openly supply arms to rebel groups and start wars, brutally torture & maim people and much worse.. Yet there's no sanctions, the USA supplies the weapons and buys the oil from the total dictatorship..

You seem to think I'm not up on what's going on in the world or something..

[vancouverman]

I love the statement "The US is most dangerous in the world... " etc..

You don't know much about the world if you are saying that....

Try going to Congo, Chad, South Sudan, Central African Republic, Venezuela , Cairo Egypt, Bagdhad Iraq, Honduras, just to name a few off the top of my head.
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America has big , crime ridden, inner cities that make their crime and incarceration results very high. If you make wise choices on where you go and what you do, you are not at some horrible risk of being torn apart.

I love Thailand too, just like you. But there are areas you can go to and get assaulted too.. same in most places in the world. I am sure you are aware of the far south of Thailand near the Malaysian border.... there are car bombs, violence, etc down there quite often.

Saying the US is the most dangerous is the type of small town rhetoric you get from people who have never actually traveled. It seems you travel a lot to Thailand, but maybe you need to try some other places too.

Is the US filled with problems, YES. Is it a glorious nation, no. Is it "safe" when you compare it to Canada or Scandanavia or something, NO. But it is far from the most dangerous country in the world.

[TSFantasia]

Its All Paradise until someone sticks an AK-47 or M-16 in your face !

I love the statement "The US is most dangerous in the world... " etc..

You don't know much about the world if you are saying that....

Try going to Congo, Chad, South Sudan, Central African Republic, Venezuela , Cairo Egypt, Bagdhad Iraq, Honduras, just to name a few off the top of my head.
,
America has big , crime ridden, inner cities that make their crime and incarceration results very high. If you make wise choices on where you go and what you do, you are not at some horrible risk of being torn apart.

I love Thailand too, just like you. But there are areas you can go to and get assaulted too.. same in most places in the world. I am sure you are aware of the far south of Thailand near the Malaysian border.... there are car bombs, violence, etc down there quite often.

Saying the US is the most dangerous is the type of small town rhetoric you get from people who have never actually traveled. It seems you travel a lot to Thailand, but maybe you need to try some other places too.

Is the US filled with problems, YES. Is it a glorious nation, no. Is it "safe" when you compare it to Canada or Scandanavia or something, NO. But it is far from the most dangerous country in the world.

Just a note about the "safe haven" of Thailand. It had more military coups than any other country this century. Nothing like going on vacation and not being able to leave because the government and airports have been overtaken by hostile forces..Lol. Yeah I know not likely to happen but military coups are not peaceful protests either.

"Thailand has been engulfed in political crisis for a week now, with street protests pushing to outright topple the government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra. The crisis is especially serious given that Thailand has experienced more coups d'?tat than any other country in contemporary history. Scholars sometimes describe the era beginning in 1932 and running up through today as Thailand's "coup season." Since 1932, Thailand has endured an astonishing 11 successful military coups, as well as seven attempted coups." - Washington Post, Dec.3, 2013
Read the whole article on the link below.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...y-this-is-why/

[vancouverman]

A further point to people who say the US is the most dangerous place.....

Generally, this type of person will quote incarceration stats as the reason. "The US has the most people per capita in prison"... and things of that nature.

It must be noted that the USA has a large and funded law enforcement force, a large court system, and lots of prisons. So, they are catching and punishing more crimes than anyone as well.

Some of the countries I mentioned have horribly paid and funded police, weak and corrupt judicial systems, and quite frankly turn a blind eye to a lot of crime. So, a country more violent than the US will have a far lower "incarceration rate" because they just don't have the resources or system in place to turn all those crimes into a measurable statistic. As such, the notion that because the USA has the most convictions or prison inmates as your reason, is a misleading statistic because they are one of the most diligent at prosecuting crime. A very large portion of our planet do not even come close to catching and prosecuting crimes like the USA.

[cameeindos]

er... I don't really believe in morality and if Putin wishes to invade, so be it. I just hope only the US attacks him, and Cameron has the sense not to join in (unlike one of his predecessors, THE most EVIL PM perhaps ever in our history)....

[TSFantasia]

Told you so! Geeze I hate when I'm right all the time..lol. And here I thought 2014 was going to be a good year

[Alexis]

Latest News..

It looks to me like Eastern Ukraine is about to break away to Russia and there's nothing that will stop the Eastern Ukrainian people that want it this way..

Yesterday several groups of soldiers from Ukraine left the army to join the people with their armoured vehicles and their weapons..

The Ukrainian army proper is refusing to attack civilians..

There's a really big potential for bloodshed right now tho as the Right Sector Militia might simply attack with all the weapons and equipment the appropriated during the coup.. They are calling for the use of extreme force..

If the Right Sector starts attacking Russian speaking Ukrainian people Putin may very well step in..

It's unlikely that NATO or the USA would intervene on a military level against Russia on this matter.. Doing so would start WW3..

Aljazeera is doing a fairly good job of unbiased reporting unlike the western media.. RT.com is providing the best coverage..