What will happen to reviews

[rider014]

In order for this bill to be a deterrent, they will have to show it "working". So at least for the first few months the RCMP detachments will be doing stuff around the country to demonstrate that. It will probably fizzle out quickly, but for the next little while we do have to be aware and extra cautious.

The point from some of the ladies that the law is unconstitutional, or will be challenged, or dropped , is a good one. But, that won't save the guys marriage who got busted in a backpages sting, and his wife files for divorce. He won't be getting her back a year later when he says "See, the Supreme Court got rid of it". So, while there is truth to that prediction, the consequences of an arrest even if it get's dropped, are big. We all have a lot to lose and caution will be necessary until we know what the local police forces and RCMP will be doing. I would only see someone I know for the first 3 - 4 months just to see how it all plays out. It is easy to laugh it off and call us men paranoid, but many of us have a lot at stake.

Right you are, any client anywhere could fall on the sword and be the hero that finds this law unconstitutional. Unfortunately, the damage on the Homefront will already be done as she will be the judge, jury, and executioner regardless if you were cleared by a real court.

[Rockheart]

Tax dollars ultimately decide what gets enforced.
In the end you will not want you taxes to go up to police something like this.
The same amount that goes into investigations now will remain the same.
And it will concentrate on the worst stuff.

[Mugsammy]

Tax dollars ultimately decide what gets enforced.
In the end you will not want you taxes to go up to police something like this.
The same amount that goes into investigations now will remain the same.
And it will concentrate on the worst stuff.

Very good point Crag.

Let me say further to this. I was the lead on a theft investigation. We estimated more then a million dollars in merchandise, no cash or money stolen or swindled, only merchandise...very expensive merchandise.

My job was build a team, myself and four other investigators, and connect paper trails of these materials to this man. He was a one man show.

Our part of the investigation went on for one year almost to the day. In the end we had the connections. Everything that was asked of us.

The law and taxes! The thief was going to walk! In the end it came down to a threat from the prosecution and a plea bargain offer to the guilty bastard.

The threat: on your salary how could you possibly obtain (purchase) over a million dollars in merchandise (not including his house or his truck) on your salary, accept the plea bargain offer or we turn you over to Canada Revenue. He had no receipts for anything, there were numerous statements from friends saying they helped him bring stuff home, not realizing it was stolen.

Revenue Canada! He accepted the plea bargin.

The prosecution had no case without witnesses or a confession. We even found some video...not worth squat!

In the end he went to jail for 3 years and had to forfeit everything but his house to Revenue Canada. That was his plea bargin. Had the case been turned over to Revenue Canada he would have lost everything including his home, and his jail time probably would have doubled.

As for someone's concern about reviews...just because you wrote it on an Internet site doesn't mean it's real. Simple! How much time, money and resources will they be willing to spend to pursue johns. Why would anyone be fearful of writing reviews...that may or may not be real!

PS: I am not nor was I police. But I did stay in a holiday inn once!

[Locomotion]

My 2?






... carry on ....

[Mugsammy]

Then stay out of it!

If its not for you, why are you still here and why is every single comment that you start with negative and about you. I try to stay out of these discussions but seriously your comments are crazy. If this is not for you then best of luck, walk away.
Don't quote cocksucking, mile high etc if you are done and have nothing else to contribute.
I don't know you nor do I want to, thats the point of this forum. for people to have fun and discuss and follow a lifestyle.
And if you want to see this in action, check out hung angels, 1000,s participating every day.
Everyone is different, doesn't mean its right or wrong but this is the last forum to judge..........and before you bitch about me (which I don't care) take a deep breath and relax.

If you're such a fucking expert about this lifestyle then don't say you are done..................because I guarantee that you dream of a big shemale cock every night

Below is what I said to Mekela...notice I didn't say a word to VanMan. With very few words I got her message. I wrote one sentence and was attacked!

"As simply a reader I fully understood what you were saying, and I still do!


Here is what I got back from VanMan:
Mugsgammy will come to your defense of course because he can't live with himself unless he can tell himself every TS escort thinks he is the greatest client in the world (and hot too!) yeah.

So, am I not allowed to tell someone that I understand them without getting a personal attack? Understanding is coming to the defence of one over another?

So, stay out of it or at least know the whole story. VanMan wanted to make it personal....so...I'll say what I want to him just as he is to me.

Please show me where I said I was a fucking expert on this lifestyle! Only thing I've ever claimed about the lifestyle is that I've learned a lot. Which is the truth! I can guarantee you that I'm in here with more of an open mind then some of you and your self righteousness!

One thing I have noticed in here is that several people pull bull crap out of nowhere claiming another has said it or claimed it. Just as you just have! Everything in this thread between me and Dr. VanMan has been personal...between him and I. And I just showed you who threw the first stone. So where does that leave me...always responding to the doctors insults!! And now you see why my comments start about me! I'm defending myself!

Furthermore...you can't guarantee, anything especially about me!

[Shyla Wild]

Anywho.......

Back to the thread....

Another reason to worry less about the TS escort market. If I was going to target escorting, I would hit and target the biggest target market to ensure higher chance of success. Therefore, genetic girls will get hit first and the hardest. The TS market along with the BDSM crowd are two small niche markets. The TS group has been growing, but is still small compared to straight porn, escorting and anything sexual trade related. How many Massage "rub and tugs" are in this country? How many TS massage parlours? The number of Genetic girls compared to TS girls per city is insane. 10:1, 20:1, 50:1, etc, these are all reasonable in different parts of the country.

Like many people and myself have said, how much money is the government willing to spend on this? And with that limited budget, how much will be really used to target a small market of TS across Canada? It's nice to pass Laws, but really....can this be enforced consistently and effectively within the budget of the police force?

[rider014]

so anyways... is this fighting over? cuz i feel kinda horny? lol

Then get your ass out my way, we'll grab some popcorn and suds and have a chuckle over this and then....

[toban]

Reviews will not be the problem here!

Anywho.......

Back to the thread....

Another reason to worry less about the TS escort market. If I was going to target escorting, I would hit and target the biggest target market to ensure higher chance of success. Therefore, genetic girls will get hit first and the hardest. The TS market along with the BDSM crowd are two small niche markets. The TS group has been growing, but is still small compared to straight porn, escorting and anything sexual trade related. How many Massage "rub and tugs" are in this country? How many TS massage parlours? The number of Genetic girls compared to TS girls per city is insane. 10:1, 20:1, 50:1, etc, these are all reasonable in different parts of the country.

Like many people and myself have said, how much money is the government willing to spend on this? And with that limited budget, how much will be really used to target a small market of TS across Canada? It's nice to pass Laws, but really....can this be enforced consistently and effectively within the budget of the police force?

This whole thread began after a simple question was asked about the effect of the new legislation on the posting of “reviews” but so far little of consequence has been said!

I believe I am correct in my belief that physical actions between escort and client are still legal in this country. Nor is there anything in the new legislation directed at “reviews” of interactions between provider and client. The only action that might be described in a review that could be deemed to have been criminal would be the actual public contact between the escort and client and I can't recall that ever being written about! In any case how could such contact be verified by anything written in a review?

Whatever is said or claimed in a “review” can not easily be verified as having actually taken place.

For any police force trying to verify, to a level that would stand up to scrutiny at trial in court, that anything reportedly written in a review had actually taken place would require an incalculable amount of time, IT resources and finances would have to be expended. Few forces have any of these!

I believe the police will use the easy, tried, and true way to police this new legislation - i.e. the STREET LEVEL STING.

It's easy, it's cheap and it makes the NEWS!

[rider014]

I hope you're right, but.....

Let's not forget the egos of Harper and Makay that drove this. Do you think they will be content with scooping Johns with 20 dollar street workers? Of course it's speculation, but I would bet they will head straight to the top, be it GGs or TGs or even the top males. Again, reviews are fiction, no weight there. LE is well aware of who the top escorts are as they have moles on every review site. They know where all the top providers are.
There will be nothing more gratifying to the conservative idiots than to catch a high profile escort with a higher profile client. We can only hope the status quo stays and they target the micros and underage workers like they have been, but I get the feeling that they will head to the top, at least in the beginning.

[toban]

Let's not forget the egos of Harper and Makay that drove this. Do you think they will be content with scooping Johns with 20 dollar street workers? Of course it's speculation, but I would bet they will head straight to the top, be it GGs or TGs or even the top males. Again, reviews are fiction, no weight there. LE is well aware of who the top escorts are as they have moles on every review site. They know where all the top providers are.
There will be nothing more gratifying to the conservative idiots than to catch a high profile escort with a higher profile client. We can only hope the status quo stays and they target the micros and underage workers like they have been, but I get the feeling that they will head to the top, at least in the beginning.

With their limited resources I doubt very much that local police will be capable of doing much more than they already do, which is basically to harass the lower level girls who are vulnerable to such actions and hope that the resulting publicity will slow the traffic.

Maybe an attack on advertising will be their way of getting at the upper level girls but as some girls have pointed out they already advertise outside of Canada even now. Of course to combat such actions Harper could arrange to pass a new law making use of the internet searches for escorts an illegal act.

[vancouverman]

Anywho.......

Back to the thread....

Another reason to worry less about the TS escort market. If I was going to target escorting, I would hit and target the biggest target market to ensure higher chance of success. Therefore, genetic girls will get hit first and the hardest. The TS market along with the BDSM crowd are two small niche markets. The TS group has been growing, but is still small compared to straight porn, escorting and anything sexual trade related. How many Massage "rub and tugs" are in this country? How many TS massage parlours? The number of Genetic girls compared to TS girls per city is insane. 10:1, 20:1, 50:1, etc, these are all reasonable in different parts of the country.

Like many people and myself have said, how much money is the government willing to spend on this? And with that limited budget, how much will be really used to target a small market of TS across Canada? It's nice to pass Laws, but really....can this be enforced consistently and effectively within the budget of the police force?

Yeah, there probably will be almost zero enforcement in the TS world. Too small. I would think the backpages, erslist, craigslist GG ads will be where they do their stuff for a while. I would be rather nervous if I were going out to Surrey to see a hot looking 24 year old from backpages. Any RCMP jurisdiction will probably doing a few things just to get this bill started off.

I have to wonder, what will they do if one of their enforcement actions grabs a prominent member of the Conservative party or an MP? Will they just throw it under the rug or will it make the news? I mean, obviously, they have MPs that are using escorts as any company will have some of it's men doing it. I would take a guess that some of our top girls around here have seen a Conservative MP at some point in the last few years. I also wonder if any ambitious girls will use it as some form of blackmail. A Cons MP would probably bend over big time to try to keep it out of the news as all their grandstanding would make them look horrible if one of their own got nailed (or even simply accused by rumor).

This whole thing is going to blow up in their face over the next couple of years and will be a huge embarrassment. I for one am quite interested to watch the theater over the next while. I really believe this will get some people out to vote who normally are apathetic to voting. As I believe, Harper has thrived on low voter turnout, and those 30+ percent that don't bother to vote scare the shit out of him if they find an issue to get them off their asses. There are millions of men that see escorts and other sex providers at least on occasion (we know this simply by the sheer numbers of women are "in the trade" in this country); they will likely not want to vote Cons in the next election if they got motivated to make a vote.

[Shyla Wild]

I have to wonder, what will they do if one of their enforcement actions grabs a prominent member of the Conservative party or an MP?

I have a better idea. Screw the government and their investigations. Screw the police and their enforcement. Let's make a stand here. We start a fund and hire Private Investigators and use them to stalk MP and Conservative Party members that visit escorts. Why wait for it to happen? We all know politicians are one of the worst groups when it comes to seeing service providers.

Let's take the battle to them.

Why should this Law stop us? Instead use their own law against them. Why should the common man suffer from a mindless law? RUIN THEIR FAMILY LIVES, RUIN THEIR CAREERS...because afterall....the client is the criminal.


Harper and his government are going over board. The latest attack on Ottawa helped fast forward the conservatives move for troops to fight ISIS. Rather strange the timing of that....very USA like creating fear to combat reason. Here is a great one. Harper and his government are attempting to pass an anti-terrorist Bill. Unfortunately, this Bill violates the Bill of Rights. NO ONE in Canada can be charged with a crime that DID NOT HAPPEN. Yet the Conservatives want to pass a Bill allowing them to arrest and charge people they suspect could commit acts of terrorism. Does anyone see the problem? Where do we draw the line? First it's people that MIGHT commit an act of terrorism, then its people that might commit murder. Profiling people for possible crimes? Scary stuff...

[vancouverman]

I have a better idea. Screw the government and their investigations. Screw the police and their enforcement. Let's make a stand here. We start a fund and hire Private Investigators and use them to stalk MP and Conservative Party members that visit escorts. Why wait for it to happen? We all know politicians are one of the worst groups when it comes to seeing service providers.

Let's take the battle to them.

Why should this Law stop us? Instead use their own law against them. Why should the common man suffer from a mindless law? RUIN THEIR FAMILY LIVES, RUIN THEIR CAREERS...because afterall....the client is the criminal.


Harper and his government are going over board. The latest attack on Ottawa helped fast forward the conservatives move for troops to fight ISIS. Rather strange the timing of that....very USA like creating fear to combat reason. Here is a great one. Harper and his government are attempting to pass an anti-terrorist Bill. Unfortunately, this Bill violates the Bill of Rights. NO ONE in Canada can be charged with a crime that DID NOT HAPPEN. Yet the Conservatives want to pass a Bill allowing them to arrest and charge people they suspect could commit acts of terrorism. Does anyone see the problem? Where do we draw the line? First it's people that MIGHT commit an act of terrorism, then its people that might commit murder. Profiling people for possible crimes? Scary stuff...

What an amazing idea. I would be bucking up a donation if that kind of investigation of MPs and escorts got off the ground. Not out of self interest for me and my pleasures, but an over all statement to the government.

The next election will really let us know if this country cares about the erosion of privacies and increase of powers. Once you get laws that allow arrests based only on suspicions, and being able to see phone, text, and internet activity without any judicial oversight, you are on the road to a police state. Another 4 years of Harper in power could put is down a very bad path as a nation.

If 62% of the country cast a vote next time and that is it, then this country is getting what it deserves. If things like these don't get people off their asses to spend 5 minutes to vote, nothing will.

[Tia Phoenixx]

I cant believe this happening in Canada

Focusing on clients as a criminal is proven to be more effective rather than on us, escorts. It has already applied in Sweden and Finland, and I was just there less than 2 months ago.

Clients will be more careful and will see only reputable providers, so actually will be good for some of us.

Street workers will be gone since nobody wants to risk of getting caught or busted.

Unknown providers will suffer since prospective clients will be more careful.

Advertising will be ok as long as not too direct or explicit.

Nevertheless, based on my observation, nothing is getting better or worse.

In Denmark, the neighboring country, prostitution is legal and it is much more fun

[Tanya The T Gurl]

Taking the battle to them

Shyla, I love your attitude!! :-) That's the spirit I like to see.

A long-range way of taking the battle to the politicians might be to keep bringing up, in general culture, how the bill hasn't made things better, but worse ... if this becomes a steady drumbeat of well-explained dissatisfaction then public sympathy with that premise can grow, since Canadian society tends to be big on fairness, empathy, being reasonable etc.

A steady public outcry against this bill can eventually becomes an albatross around the necks of whoever played a part in making it come about -- activists and politicians. They'll want to move on to the next agenda item and yet mention of the bill will keep dragging them back to having to defend it again and again. Eventually, the groundswell of public indignation can make the bill become scrapped whether officially or unofficially (by lukewarm enforcement) and the next time there's any enthusiasm for this sort of bad law ever again, then nobody in his right mind will want want to touch this with a ten-foot pole.