what's the best way to get a TS date/gf/FWB

[Locomotion]

I don't think age has much to do with it there are flakes, players, cheaters at all age levels. And older guys may feel they have more to lose in terms of reputation in the community, on the job, amongst family by dating someone who is transgender or a cross dresser. Therefore are even more likely to want a "discrete" and behind close doors fuck buddy only relationship.

And yes T-girls in their 20s and 30s want guys in the same age range it's not just about looks but also what they have in common in terms of taste in music, fashion, entertainment, etc. They don't want guys 20-30 yrs older unless they are looking for sugar daddies.

Well I'm over 40 and I don't even give it a 2nd thought regarding being seen in public with a TG girl. I really couldn't care less what the people at the next table think. If I like the person I'm with, that's all that matters to me.

Now when I was under 30, that would have most likely been a whole different story.

i.e. I was out for drinks with a TG girl last year at a "straight" bar that she chose. She is very passable, but the young pups at the next table seemed to pick up that she wasn't GG and began staring at her, I guess from her voice. I could tell she was getting self conscious, so I turned and looked right back at the 2 young pups with a blank stare. They turned away and went back to their drinks, minding their own business. I had the waitress move us to a private booth. We didn't talk about it but I could tell it bothered her although it didn't bother me at all. After a while she forgot about it and started having a good time.

My point is, most of us guys over 40 are comfortable with ourselves. We've been there, done that and really couldn't give a flying fuck what others think.

[xoxJanexox]

This question arise from time to time, and answer is always the same,,, supply and demand. And if someone is searching for a stunner, then keep dreaming. Yes, you can dream one day and wake up and live the same dream, but what are the chances!

[candyhilton]

well said!
The part about guys looking for girls that look like Ana Mancini, Kimber James, etc is beyond true.
True story...
the tgirl speed dating I went to in the winter in Kensington Market, 1 of the guys there had never been with a tranny, and wanted to meet some in person so at the end of the night he told the matchmaker that none of the girls looked like Beyonce (he was an established black personal trainer from the UK) and he took his match card with him and asked that none of the girls contact him as they didnt measure up to his expectations. I'm sorry.... but I dont live in perfection land and neither does a huge majority of the population.

This question arise from time to time, and answer is always the same,,, supply and demand. And if someone is searching for a stunner, then keep dreaming. Yes, you can dream one day and wake up and live the same dream, but what are the chances!

[candyhilton]

I loved this story thanks for sharing.
Guys like you are fucking amazing. wish there was more of u.

Well I'm over 40 and I don't even give it a 2nd thought regarding being seen in public with a TG girl. I really couldn't care less what the people at the next table think. If I like the person I'm with, that's all that matters to me.

Now when I was under 30, that would have most likely been a whole different story.

i.e. I was out for drinks with a TG girl last year at a "straight" bar that she chose. She is very passable, but the young pups at the next table seemed to pick up that she wasn't GG and began staring at her, I guess from her voice. I could tell she was getting self conscious, so I turned and looked right back at the 2 young pups with a blank stare. They turned away and went back to their drinks, minding their own business. I had the waitress move us to a private booth. We didn't talk about it but I could tell it bothered her although it didn't bother me at all. After a while she forgot about it and started having a good time.

My point is, most of us guys over 40 are comfortable with ourselves. We've been there, done that and really couldn't give a flying fuck what others think.

[candyhilton]

Fantasia, your a stunner.
Can I ask how its been for u (dating world)? The men uve met, what were they looking for? longterm? or see where it goes?
from the sounds of it... sounds like u met some great guys! I hope they treated u well!
I would like to hear your take on it.
if u would like to?
Thanks

Not sure what small conservative country your talking about if it's Iran or middle east you might be SOL, but most anywhere else you will likely find the non-passable cross dressers on craigslist or sex hookup sites looking for quickies and FWBs they will be the one's with a pic of just their legs in nylons and heels

Passable attractive feminine T-girls will be on some of the T-Girl dating sites ie TSDATING, Transgender Dating, etc and a lot of them on regular dating sites. You will of course have to sort through those only using those sites for P4P action just like the T-girls looking for real relationships have to filter through the players and one night stand guys.

No one will take out a non-passable T-girl out publicly unless they are themselves immersed in the LGBT community and not looking to appease the mainstream.

I dated one guy off POF, one off of Adultfriendfinder and my current BF off Zoosk not too bad for good ole red-necked conservative Sask

[Rockheart]

This question arise from time to time, and answer is always the same,,, supply and demand. And if someone is searching for a stunner, then keep dreaming. Yes, you can dream one day and wake up and live the same dream, but what are the chances!

So you are saying all good looking tgirls charge money?

If a good looking tgirl expects to get money for sex that is one thing.
Otherwise it works the normal way, good looking goes with good looking.
If you are attracted to each other then you may boink.

I don't think anyone said they were looking for the best looking tgirl, just a tgirl.
If I want to date a girl I don't assume Jennifer Aniston will sleep with me because she won't.
Most likely I will have to settle for someone a little more my speed.

[xoxJanexox]

So you are saying all good looking tgirls charge money?

If a good looking tgirl expects to get money for sex that is one thing.
Otherwise it works the normal way, good looking goes with good looking.
If you are attracted to each other then you may boink.

I don't think anyone said they were looking for the best looking tgirl, just a tgirl.
If I want to date a girl I don't assume Jennifer Aniston will sleep with me because she won't.
Most likely I will have to settle for someone a little more my speed.

Not at once I mentioned the word money. Of course not all the good looking tgirls are into escorting even thought most will try it at one point or another to support their transition.

My point was a very simple one, that tgirls are very rare. And the chances are exceedingly rare as well.

[vancouverman]

Well I'm over 40 and I don't even give it a 2nd thought regarding being seen in public with a TG girl. I really couldn't care less what the people at the next table think. If I like the person I'm with, that's all that matters to me.

Now when I was under 30, that would have most likely been a whole different story.

i.e. I was out for drinks with a TG girl last year at a "straight" bar that she chose. She is very passable, but the young pups at the next table seemed to pick up that she wasn't GG and began staring at her, I guess from her voice. I could tell she was getting self conscious, so I turned and looked right back at the 2 young pups with a blank stare. They turned away and went back to their drinks, minding their own business. I had the waitress move us to a private booth. We didn't talk about it but I could tell it bothered her although it didn't bother me at all. After a while she forgot about it and started having a good time.

My point is, most of us guys over 40 are comfortable with ourselves. We've been there, done that and really couldn't give a flying fuck what others think.

Yeah, the age thing is interesting. The beautiful TS girls (that we seem to want) generally want young guys who are fit, lean, muscles, 10 inches, you know the drill. Many of them I have met through escorting and they genuinely liked me, but it wouldn't go any further without the cash because of my age, being cute to average looking, a middle aged body, etc.... no interest in a relationship.

But, do the men chosen for their bodies really give the woman the heart and soul that she wants in a relationship? I would say the answer is no in most cases. It is difficult to separate that need for a certain look when having the desire for something meaningful.

Young guys generally are still struggling with their sexuality, in denial, wanting to be on the down low, or repressing their desires. It can be difficult to find a meaningful relationship with them.

I am in my 40's; have dated a couple of "civilian' trans ladies, as well as had the fortune of taking a few of the escorts out for dinners and such . I have no issue being see in public with someone like this because i truly do perceive them as women in the heart. I remember a close friend of mine would rib me about it sometimes last year when he figured me out, and I would always pull up a photo of some 10/10 escort that I have had sex with and challenged him to say he would refuse such a beauty in his bedroom. A beautiful woman is beautiful , vagina, cock, or SRS.

It's complicated for the ladies too, because so many of the guys are just looking for dicks. Period. If you look around this board (and I know it is just a small sample size), most talk is of the girls penises. So, how does a girl who truly wants a love interest, know if the guy is there for dick, and how long does she put up with him always wanting to hang out at home and never go out.

I have a recent example for you. I saw a lady at the movie theatre one night. I recognized her because we had corresponded on OK Cupid about dating (she was not an escort, just a normal person seeking dating). She decided I wasn't muscular enough for her and so we didn't meet, but I do remember her. So, she is coming into the theatre lobby with this guy, and the guy is consistently 1 - 2 feet behind her. I think you all know what that means, he was struggling with "being seen". And this woman is a stunner, completely passable and the only tip would be her voice still is pretty deep. But yeah this guy was young, and yeah he had a great body, but he just could not bring himself to hold hands or stand right beside her as an equal. An interesting dynamic to watch. She could have so much more in a boyfriend if she didn't keep focusing on the need for the porn fantasy body on her dates.

Relationships, dating , love...... so complex and difficult regardless of the genders or orientations involved!

Just my opinion for what it's worth to me

[TSFantasia]

Fantasia, your a stunner.
Can I ask how its been for u (dating world)? The men uve met, what were they looking for? longterm? or see where it goes?
from the sounds of it... sounds like u met some great guys! I hope they treated u well!
I would like to hear your take on it.
if u would like to?
Thanks

Thanks Candy I'm a 7-7.5 or a 10 if the guy has had enough drinks lol.

I didn't have any luck at all on TSDating or Transgender Dating, of course everyone of those link directly to "tranny" & "shemale porn" sites so no wonder the type of guys they attract. My best luck was on POF when I first went full time I was going on a few dates a week and always somewhere public, usually a lounge or pub for a few drinks as only thing I would agree to. Most were pretty cool about it a some were nervous sweating bullets lol. I usually put something in my tagline or profile description that clued guys in about my status for those who would be open to that but would go right over the heads of those who weren't "Ummm what's lgbt stand for?"

The first relationship I had was 10 months with a guy off POF and we pretty much did all the normal couple stuff going out for dinners, drinks, movies, shooting pool etc. and of course staying in and "cuddling". Oh and he was in his mid 40's. Ended after a night out when someone was texting and calling him incessantly but he wouldn't answer I called him on it and he had started seeing someone else but wanted to keep seeing me but I said, "Nah better stick with one cuz she seems like a psycho!" LOL
Second one was off of AFF and was supposed to be maybe a FWB thing he lived 2 hrs out of town came in took me for dinner and drinks had gotten a hotel room though I didn't commit to anything but hell he advertised a 10 inch dick so I just HAD to find out so I spent the night. We dated for 6 months before he started seeing someone in his home town that he could see more often as we just got together on his days off.
My BF now I met off of Zoosk we were corresponding from just before I left for my SRS in November and started dating in January and thus far very happy together. So I guess it's just a matter of putting yourself out there having reasonable conditions for meeting to filter out the one hit wonders. A t-girl friend of mine met her BF off of an ad on craiglist (not a P4P one) so who knows when lightning will strike

[Locomotion]

I loved this story thanks for sharing.
Guys like you are fucking amazing. wish there was more of u.

[Mugsammy]

Theres a difference between being negative and standing up for yourself and not being taken advantage of (my tranny chasers and bum trannies... funny enough).

And I'm saying tgirls of course do want relationships BUT from what they've told me 1st hand is that guys pretend to want to date them but only behind closed doors. I only go by what they've told me, when u hear it from the horses mouth... the proof is in the pudding.
We like to use the 99 to 1 rule, 99% of guys say they want to date one, then once they get what they want... their outta there so far... while the 1% do actually wanna publicly go out and be seen with a trans girls, not caring how society views them.
Thats the truth.

here here Candy! You are bang on after all he afraid for his business PLUS he wants fwb.

Maybe I should read more of this thread before I comment but
, does it really matter!? The guy wants his cake and eat it to but...there's nothing wrong with that if he can find the right girl that's ready to give it for free...on a continuous basis. That is the type of relationship that I have with my beautiful TG friend. Although we care about each other very much I guess it really is a fwb relationship. We would remain very close without the benefits.

Maybe now I'll read on.

[Rockheart]

Not at once I mentioned the word money. Of course not all the good looking tgirls are into escorting even thought most will try it at one point or another to support their transition.

My point was a very simple one, that tgirls are very rare. And the chances are exceedingly rare as well.

So because there is less tgirls than girls, then tgirls are worth more?
You didn't have to mention money but still it is a issue of having more value in that case.
Perhaps an escort who is trans is more rare than escort that are genetic girl, so possibly this implies tgirls should charge more?
Or just are not available for free sex?

On a personal level the fact there is less tgirls means you don't have sex for free with anyone?
I don't really get the rarity thing when it is on a personal level.
It should be whether you are attracted to the person, not whether they are worthy of your "rareness".

I can guarantee there is far more potential suitors and customers for a nice looking genetic girl than there is for any nice looking tgirl.

[cameeindos]

yes... you and every other of the 1000's of cheap fucks that want freebie's.
dream on

not really, no. I like TSs, find you (collectively) cute, and think paying is not in the long haul for me.
I've seen some of your other comments here, but then i don't expect a stunner/a 10. I'm not stupid enough to reckon every TS out there is like Mia Isabella. But somebody who is passable is well to me the point. i like feminine features.

[xoxJanexox]

On a personal level the fact there is less tgirls means you don't have sex for free with anyone?
I don't really get the rarity thing when it is on a personal level.
It should be whether you are attracted to the person, not whether they are worthy of your "rareness".

If you don't get the 'rarity' thing after all these years in this life style then I can hint you more.

Speaking of gg go and check BP, and see the rates and the services they offer and you may modify your statement.

[cameeindos]

Thanks Candy I'm a 7-7.5 or a 10 if the guy has had enough drinks lol.

I didn't have any luck at all on TSDating or Transgender Dating, of course everyone of those link directly to "tranny" & "shemale porn" sites so no wonder the type of guys they attract. My best luck was on POF when I first went full time I was going on a few dates a week and always somewhere public, usually a lounge or pub for a few drinks as only thing I would agree to. Most were pretty cool about it a some were nervous sweating bullets lol. I usually put something in my tagline or profile description that clued guys in about my status for those who would be open to that but would go right over the heads of those who weren't "Ummm what's lgbt stand for?"

The first relationship I had was 10 months with a guy off POF and we pretty much did all the normal couple stuff going out for dinners, drinks, movies, shooting pool etc. and of course staying in and "cuddling". Oh and he was in his mid 40's. Ended after a night out when someone was texting and calling him incessantly but he wouldn't answer I called him on it and he had started seeing someone else but wanted to keep seeing me but I said, "Nah better stick with one cuz she seems like a psycho!" LOL
Second one was off of AFF and was supposed to be maybe a FWB thing he lived 2 hrs out of town came in took me for dinner and drinks had gotten a hotel room though I didn't commit to anything but hell he advertised a 10 inch dick so I just HAD to find out so I spent the night. We dated for 6 months before he started seeing someone in his home town that he could see more often as we just got together on his days off.
My BF now I met off of Zoosk we were corresponding from just before I left for my SRS in November and started dating in January and thus far very happy together. So I guess it's just a matter of putting yourself out there having reasonable conditions for meeting to filter out the one hit wonders. A t-girl friend of mine met her BF off of an ad on craiglist (not a P4P one) so who knows when lightning will strike

i tried ts dating/transgender date, but didn't get far either. but when i mentioned conservative, well i live in the caribbea at the moment, and as a small island there have been attaks on people. but i only want somebody who is passable, not a 10. a seven like you would suffice lol.