Has The Caitlyn Jenner/Transgender Movement Backlash Begun?

[Alexis]

I've never judged anyone in this group bottom or top males. I have expressed my preferences as a trans woman that being with a bottom guy wouldn't suit me. The only judgement I have made has been on the blatant denial of anyone whose primary sexual turn on is cock to say that they are perfectly heterosexual.

When someone who calls themselves a trans woman attacks another trans woman like Alexis did and uses terms repeatedly "fake pussy" referring to the results of SRS, "always be a man", etc. etc. this just tells me what they are and what they are not. As for the tranny remarks I simply turned Alexis's words against Jenner back on her and you could have seen that but obviously you are of the same sentiment as her so you attacked me

Face it.. you attacked me.. you made several false claims and again made a fool of yourself. .

You repeatedly have stated how you think I'm living a fantasy and how you are now a real woman..

You just have one more surgery than I do.. nothing more.. you'll never ever be any more female than any of us who don't get srs.. never ever.. no matter what. .

Now you're going to have to take pills or injections for the rest of your now shortened life span. .

Thankfully there's little chance that you'll ever reproduce. .

You know nothing about me and you show that every time you try you attack me.. I could be extremely hateful but you are not worth my time.. it would be a waste of good insult material..

Don't come here to spread hate cuz you can't dilate your neo vagina (fake pussy) passed 6 inches.. go somewhere else to spread your fucked up hater shit..

Fantasia really needs to be banned from this forum. . The statements about our profession being the lowest on the planet are horrible to say the least and she's clearly a hater. .

[TSFantasia]

Face it.. you attacked me.. you made several false claims and again made a fool of yourself. .

You repeatedly have stated how you think I'm living a fantasy and how you are now a real woman..

You just have one more surgery than I do.. nothing more.. you'll never ever be any more female than any of us who don't get srs.. never ever.. no matter what. .

Now you're going to have to take pills or injections for the rest of your now shortened life span. .

Thankfully there's little chance that you'll ever reproduce. .

You know nothing about me and you show that every time you try you attack me.. I could be extremely hateful but you are not worth my time.. it would be a waste of good insult material..

Don't come here to spread hate cuz you can't dilate your neo vagina (fake pussy) passed 6 inches.. go somewhere else to spread your fucked up hater shit..

Fantasia really needs to be banned from this forum. . The statements about our profession being the lowest on the planet are horrible to say the least and she's clearly a hater. .

Keep going now ...so far I'm a cunt with a fake pussy..never will be a woman..hopefully never reproduce...hopefully have shortened life span..needs to be banned for turning your comments regarding Jenner back on you. Your therapist should have his license revoked diagnosed with gender dysphoria my ass your a man through and through and through. You will never get SRS because you have no desire to be a woman you are completely attached to your male genitalia as any man would be. Instead of embracing what womanhood and being a woman is you want to redefine it to fit your "women have big cocks mentality".

[Shyla Wild]

None of your statements are true but continue to thrash around it's amusing. I never had any intention to make escorting a life or career choice. It was a short term thing to accomplish my goals as a trans women to COMPLETE my transition not stay forever in the "best of both worlds" she-male stage. I have nothing against escorts it's just not a great accomplishment for ANY woman trans or cis to live her life in the world's oldest profession. Most understand that and have an exit strategy hopefully. I'm accepted as a woman without question every where
I go and have had a phenomenally successful transition for living in Sask. I have a good career and a good relationship with a wonderful man. I'm involved in local and provincial and national transgender support groups and forums. This forum is my one guilty pleasure and as I feel most of the trans women who are on here as escorts are not planning on making a life time career of that. So the topics I bring up about what's happening in or to the trans community is relevant to them.

I've never judged anyone in this group bottom or top males. I have expressed my preferences as a trans woman that being with a bottom guy wouldn't suit me. The only judgement I have made has been on the blatant denial of anyone whose primary sexual turn on is cock to say that they are perfectly heterosexual.

When someone who calls themselves a trans woman attacks another trans woman like Alexis did and uses terms repeatedly "fake pussy" referring to the results of SRS, "always be a man", etc. etc. this just tells me what they are and what they are not. As for the tranny remarks I simply turned Alexis's words against Jenner back on her and you could have seen that but obviously you are of the same sentiment as her so you attacked me instead.

You judge everyone. From jenner, to alexis, to crag, to me, to whom can use the bathroom. Actions speak louder than words. You don't live and let live, nor do you accept and just look the other way...you judge, label and classify people. I think the Nazis did that.

Hope you get a yeast infection.

[Shyla Wild]

Your therapist should have his license revoked diagnosed with gender dysphoria my ass your a man through and through and through. You will never get SRS because you have no desire to be a woman you are completely attached to your male genitalia as any man would be. Instead of embracing what womanhood and being a woman is you want to redefine it to fit your "women have big cocks mentality".

see...still judging people with your professional opinion.

[Alexis]

Keep going now ...so far I'm a cunt with a fake pussy..never will be a woman..hopefully never reproduce...hopefully have shortened life span..needs to be banned for turning your comments regarding Jenner back on you. Your therapist should have his license revoked diagnosed with gender dysphoria my ass your a man through and through and through. You will never get SRS because you have no desire to be a woman you are completely attached to your male genitalia as any man would be. Instead of embracing what womanhood and being a woman is you want to redefine it to fit your "women have big cocks mentality".

You are simply an idiot. .

All my friends are genetic women. . And I'm a butch dyke. .

But that's too hard for you to grasp apparently. . Like the fact that I can't do hrt. . But I'm wasting my time explaining that to an idiot that insists on continuing to think she can bash me and call me a man..

You're right.. I shouldn't call your inverted penis a fake pussy. .

After all it's an inverted penis lined with part of the colon.. not a pussy. . Yes.. that's right.. you still have a dick.. it's just tucked inside now..

So there.. I'll stop calling your inverted penis a fake pussy so you can be happy about it..

Cunt. .

[vancouverman]

Alexis

I have seen you attack people you don't agree with in an aggressive way. No problem , free speech. But you really should not be calling for someone else's banning.

You want Fantasia to be banned for hate. you both are spewing hate and childish genitalia insults and neither of you should be banned. Carry on but you two need to dial it down a bit.

Her pussy is fake, your tits are fake, her hormones are fake, your dick is manly.... i mean really? You BOTH might as well start calling us all faggots and be done with it. It's hard to take this argument seriously. You two even sucked Shyla into the vortex.

Excited to see what nasty names I get called now that I have jumped into the fray Maybe idiot like you used to call me in private messages, who knows

[Alexis]

Alexis

I have seen you attack people you don't agree with in an aggressive way. No problem , free speech. But you really should not be calling for someone else's banning.

You want Fantasia to be banned for hate. you both are spewing hate and childish genitalia insults and neither of you should be banned. Carry on but you two need to dial it down a bit.

Her pussy is fake, your tits are fake, her hormones are fake, your dick is manly.... i mean really? You BOTH might as well start calling us all faggots and be done with it. It's hard to take this argument seriously. You two even sucked Shyla into the vortex.

Excited to see what nasty names I get called now that I have jumped into the fray Maybe idiot like you used to call me in private messages, who knows

You're such a considerate man..

Now shut the fuck up and sit down. .

Lol.. joking..

hey she started it.. I'm not backing down to some hater with an inverted penis that claims to be more of a woman than any of us who haven't had, wont have or can't have srs..

The hate she spews applies to all tgirls who keep their dick..

She hates escorting and states it's the lowest thing one can do.. she claims I am living a fantasy and that Shyla us too now.. this also means that she thinks this way about others. . She hates men that like tgirls and so on..

This forum should not be for that type of person..

This person with the small inverted penis needs to get a life. .

She probably classifies her boyfriend as straight.. which is another joke unto itself. .

[Shyla Wild]

Girl, time to drop it and let it go. Everyone has done enough mudslinging. We all have different points of view. Thats all.

You're such a considerate man..

Now shut the fuck up and sit down. .

Lol.. joking..

hey she started it.. I'm not backing down to some hater with an inverted penis that claims to be more of a woman than any of us who haven't had, wont have or can't have srs..

The hate she spews applies to all tgirls who keep their dick..

She hates escorting and states it's the lowest thing one can do.. she claims I am living a fantasy and that Shyla us too now.. this also means that she thinks this way about others. . She hates men that like tgirls and so on..

This forum should not be for that type of person..

This person with the small inverted penis needs to get a life. .

She probably classifies her boyfriend as straight.. which is another joke unto itself. .

[TSFantasia]

You're such a considerate man..

Now shut the fuck up and sit down. .

Lol.. joking..

hey she started it.. I'm not backing down to some hater with an inverted penis that claims to be more of a woman than any of us who haven't had, wont have or can't have srs..

The hate she spews applies to all tgirls who keep their dick..

She hates escorting and states it's the lowest thing one can do.. she claims I am living a fantasy and that Shyla us too now.. this also means that she thinks this way about others. . She hates men that like tgirls and so on..

This forum should not be for that type of person..

This person with the small inverted penis needs to get a life. .

She probably classifies her boyfriend as straight.. which is another joke unto itself. .

You're just a mean spirited tranny I can't call you a trans woman as having SRS is one of the happiest day of a trans woman's life (inverted penis pussy or not). You trashed Jenner as a rich white tranny. She is a former Olympic champion and celebrity, who is at least trying to shed some positive light on the transgender community. And then you freaked out when I used the same language on you . I don't determine the authenticity of a person's gender identity based on their genitalia alone but every thing I have ever heard from you especially in this thread leads to the conclusion I have of you, which doesn't relate to any other pre-op trans woman.

My boyfriend is straight by the way never been with a guy always been with women including me as we didn't start dating until after my SRS. But if he did come out as bicurious or bisexual wouldn't bother me in the least as I don't judge people based on race, colour, creed, religion , sexual orientation or gender identity. I judge them based on whether or not they are an asshole !

[Alexis]

Girl, time to drop it and let it go. Everyone has done enough mudslinging. We all have different points of view. Thats all.

Well. . I'm pissy cuz the power here has been out for almost 2 days now..

Every time this person insinuates I'm a man living a fantasy I'm going to tear a strip out of her. . She's a hypocritical little cunt living in vagina. . Like wtf..

Plain and simple. . I'm not required to put up with her attacking me like she did in this thread or others. .

Again and again she's calling me a man.. over and over..

Last time I checked that was against the fucking rules here..

Just for the record I don't care what gender or identity anyone has.. it's all about the individual. .

[Shyla Wild]

Well. . I'm pissy cuz the power here has been out for almost 2 days now..

Every time this person insinuates I'm a man living a fantasy I'm going to tear a strip out of her. . She's a hypocritical little cunt living in vagina. . Like wtf..

Plain and simple. . I'm not required to put up with her attacking me like she did in this thread or others. .

Again and again she's calling me a man.. over and over..

Last time I checked that was against the fucking rules here..

Just for the record I don't care what gender or identity anyone has.. it's all about the individual. .

I understand. I know it'shard not to fight back...but it is not worth it at all. Turn the other cheek and walk away. Neither one of you have any effect on the others lives. You don't pay each other's bills, don't help each other put food on the table....so in the end....who really cares if Alexis wants to keep her dick or not or whatever Fantasia's views are. No one except the two of you and people that are meaniful in your lives.

Now if you want to both keep fighting...go for it. I am out. I may not agree with Fantasia's views...but I do respect her transition. I have said this before. I don't always agree with Alexis or her views and we have butted heads a fees times(silicon) But it is nothing personal....it's just different points of view.

i believe for our community to move forward this infighting has to stop. We have to learn to accept each other for who we are, not bicker about petty things. So if Alexis thinks Fantasia's pussy is fake, and if Fantasia thinks Alexis is less of a woman for keeping her penis....that's fine. Accept each other for being different, and look the other way. Are we all different? Of course...in many many ways. But it does not make us less of a woman because of it. Women come in all shapes and sizes.

I have said my peace, I'm done here.

[alex99]

All my friends are genetic women. . And I'm a butch dyke. .

What a coincidence, I actually knew a butch dyke who was into strap-on fucking guys.

It's all starting to make sense now!

[Alexis]

What a coincidence, I actually knew a butch dyke who was into strap-on fucking guys.

It's all starting to make sense now!

Well. . Honestly I only fuck guys for money.. I'm a total bottom with the only man that I see for my pleasure. . Which is kinda not lesbian but I girl has her needs so whatever. .

I can fuck guys yes.. and I can have fun with the person too.. but it's not my first choice at all.. there's only 3 men ever where I've been able to cum fucking them in 5 years. .

Generally I need to get penetrated or be sucking cock to ejaculate with a man.. I'm pretty sure I have said that here a number of times and I try to inform those who see me of this too when I can. .

And I know a couple of lesbian women that only see men for money and have a relationship with another woman. . With a woman I can cum in a multitude of ways that men can't comprehend. .

So how many women do you actually know?

Seriously I have to put up with this stuff every day for 5 years. . Don't add to it please. .

2 years ago all my I'd was changed to female from the birth certificate on up.. I put up with enough haters already. .

BTW. . If I get srs I can expect to loose the quality of life I have quickly and die a lot sooner than if I don't. . Although that's not the main reason why I choose not to. .

[alex99]

Well. . Honestly I only fuck guys for money.. I'm a total bottom with the only man that I see for my pleasure. . Which is kinda not lesbian but I girl has her needs so whatever. .

I can fuck guys yes.. and I can have fun with the person too.. but it's not my first choice at all.. there's only 3 men ever where I've been able to cum fucking them in 5 years. .

Generally I need to get penetrated or be sucking cock to ejaculate with a man.. I'm pretty sure I have said that here a number of times and I try to inform those who see me of this too when I can. .

And I know a couple of lesbian women that only see men for money and have a relationship with another woman. . With a woman I can cum in a multitude of ways that men can't comprehend. .

So how many women do you actually know?

Seriously I have to put up with this stuff every day for 5 years. . Don't add to it please. .

2 years ago all my I'd was changed to female from the birth certificate on up.. I put up with enough haters already. .

BTW. . If I get srs I can expect to loose the quality of life I have quickly and die a lot sooner than if I don't. . Although that's not the main reason why I choose not to. .

I was actually teasing. To be serious, I don't share Fantasia's views about srs (I don't think it's so cut and dry, no pun intended), and I'm not a hater of you or trans women (Fantasia included). I also have no preference as to what's between a woman's legs - I find genitalia from both sexes attractive, although I tend to sway back and forth for some reason. I actually thought of becoming a stripper when I was younger too, but never had the body for it. That and I have no rhythm. I'm not being high and mighty or hateful here (at least intentionally), I just post random thoughts occasionally with a bit of humor, although it's an acquired taste. :P

[TSFantasia]

Actually my position is NOT pre-op trans women are not as much women as post-op women transition is a journey and everyone has their own timetable and priorities.

My reaction here was to transphobic & homophobic language coming from someone who it should not be coming from and I'm serious when I say that this is the EXACT language used by the most hateful bigoted people commenting on trans women's posts on You Tube like Jazz Jennings who has been on Barbara Walters , Katie Couric and others as one of the youngest girls to come out as transgender, Julie Vu (Princess Joules) from Vancouver with over 250,000 subscribers, Nicole Ramos with just over 12,000 subscribers and interview on HNN and others, Gigi Gorgeous with over 1.7 millions subscribers, And the list could go on and on of trans women sharing their transition with the world and at times the vicious attacks and comments like this that are made by anonymous people. "You will never be a woman. You will always be a man no matter how many surgeries you have! He or It has a fake pussy from an inside out penis..eewww gross! "

The list of comments could go on and on so to hear these types of insults coming from a trans woman made me go WTF! where the hell is this person coming from? And so the food fight , mud slinging ensued. I personally believe any individual who truly identifies as female and lives her life as a woman is a woman. I personally believe transition should end with srs unless health reasons dictate otherwise the whole concept of being transsexual and in transition is to get from point A (100% male anatomy & features) to point B (100% female anatomy & features).
There are transvestites who are satisfied with presenting themselves as female with no desire to change the male anatomy underneath their hair, makeup, and clothing. I support them as part of the transgender community but obviously a big difference in mentality & transition goals.

My reaction to Alexis was due to her lashing out at Jenner, who at this point in time is a high profile person spotlighting trans women to the world as imperfectly as she may do it or not.She is by no means the only spokesperson Janet Mock,Laverne Cox, Kristin Beck have been doing a great job as well as many others. We need high profile trans women coming out and transitioning in the public eye to help the general public accept trans women & men as a normal part of our society just as gays & lesbians in the spotlight have helped gain acceptance for them. No trans woman should use transphobic slurs against another trans woman so I owe Alexis an apology for that regardless of how infuriating her comments were .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzas_oGnabY