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  • #16
    Trudeau is acting like a drunken teen who stole his dad's credit card. He doesn't know how to budget or what it's like to have to actually work for a living, or how to save for a rainy day. He's always had his daddy's trust fund. Look at all the money he's wasted since getting power. Almost all of it has left the country never to be seen again. Not one cent generated a new Canadian job in the private sector.

    Albertans don't want Trudeau's borrowed money, that imbecile has pushed the country into enough debt already.

    Alberta wants to go back to work. To generate new money with no debts. It's very irritating to hear some ass clown mayor in Quebec try to prevent Alberta from getting it's oil to market, yet still expects a huge transfer payment.

    No pipeline, no money. No money, no transfer payments. It's as simple as that.

    Trudeau should stop his political posturing and let the energy east pipeline through. It would generate thousands of jobs across Canada to help us all through these dark economic times. To hell with pleasing his Liberal financial backers. It's time to ignore their demands and just do the right thing.

    Things are pretty grim here in Alberta these days. Thousands are losing their jobs daily. Suicides are at an all time high. Everybody knows someone who's lost a family member to suicide, which wasn't the case a few years ago.

    We've got a federal AND a provincial government who seem to think it's a good time to tax big business with so called "carbon taxes". Which of course just makes matters worse, as big business just leave the province for lower tax zones, like Saskatchewan. When Trudeau brings his new taxes in, big business will just leave Canada with their jobs altogether.

    To be clear, I'm certainly no separatist, just a reporter of the weather here. There is a big storm coming.






    Originally posted by Crag Rockheart View Post
    What do you mean, there is a bazillion dollar aid package headed to Alberta as we speak.
    Plus Quebec and east sent transfer payments to the west and Alberta for years, memories are sure short.
    I spent a few weeks in Alberta recently, the rhetoric runs high, the truth not so much.

    When has a French person ever been reasonable to deal with?
    Trudeau doesn't actually specifically agree with him, he has supported pipelines publically.
    Plus this issue has been going on for years.

    Edmonton, Calgary, Saskatoon, Regina all throw their waste in the rivers and it all end up in Winnipeg.
    (not sure what they do with all the nasty water)
    Everyone pollutes the water, you are just grasping at straws.

    Who let oil be our nation's number one export, whoever did that was a fool.

    Well last time the oil slumped in the 90's and Electric Avenue closed, the whole thing was the same.
    Everyone cried it was everyone else's fault and there was a cry for separation.

    Everyone is blaming the mayor of Quebec and the PM that has been in a few months.
    Seriously, Alberta was bribed by the politicians for years with their own money, that is fact.
    If you can't sit back and at least blame your own politicians, that is pretty sad.
    No one in Alberta saved money, that is a fact. You could see people just throwing money away on everything.
    There should have been tax just like everyone else, but no everyone is "too special" for tax.

    The absolute fact is Trudeau has ZERO to do with the state of Alberta right now.
    No one can actually name one real problem that Trudeau created, just calling him names doesn't help either.
    Do people expect to be take seriously calling him Mr. Selfie or saying he is the worst PM ever for no reason at all?

    It really bothers me that everyone is blaming him, and I am not a huge supporter or anything.
    It just makes zero sense.
    If you want to blame anyone, blame the people that put all our eggs in one basket.

    Canada is not just about Alberta. Only people from Alberta say that.
    Every province actually contributes alot.

    Alberta depends on $100 a barrel Oil prices. The fact it ever got this high ever is crazy.
    To hope it goes back there is even worse.
    What ever happened to diversity.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Locomotion View Post
        The majority of the anti-oilsands propaganda by the paid, professional protesters is pure rhetoric. Canada already has one of the most regulated environmental guidelines in the world. Don't believe everything you read in MSM (Main Stream Media)
        Since you are truly out of touch and I will prove it and educate you on history.

        Let's Start here:
        Originally posted by Locomotion View Post
        Unlike undemocratic places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq which is where Quebec now purchases the vast majority of it's oil. You think these places are environmentally friendly?
        Originally posted by Locomotion View Post
        We've got a federal AND a provincial government who seem to think it's a good time to tax big business with so called "carbon taxes". Which of course just makes matters worse, as big business just leave the province for lower tax zones, like Saskatchewan. When Trudeau brings his new taxes in, big business will just leave Canada with their jobs altogether.
        Those two statements right there show how out of touch with reality you are on this subject. That carbon tax is to reduce the carbon emissions and damage to the environment that using oil as fuel causes. Your oil is dirty because you do nothing to help fix the environment. How can your oil be so clean if you resist the carbon tax to allow for environmental and greener programs?

        And lowering Taxes is exactly why we are in this mess today. Facts: Harper’s approach is not to interfere in the economy, except for cutting taxes. Thus, he deducted two points from the GST, and slashed corporate taxes from 22 per cent down to 15 per cent, and cut personal taxes.

        But this made the government ill-equipped for the 2008-’09 recession: one estimate says tax cuts cost the treasury roughly $34-billion per year. Surpluses quickly vanished just when he needed to prime the economic pump. And as the recession deepened, he was forced to borrow money – thereby generating greater debt – to prevent a more severe downturn.


        As manufacturing declined, Harper did not step in to rescue this sector. Instead, he placed his bets on the growing resource extraction industries, in particular oil. By focusing on commodities, Canada was susceptible to a bust in commodity prices – in particular when oil prices tumbled last year. So, as the American economy is now taking off, the Canadian economy is sinking.



        Originally posted by Locomotion View Post
        Trudeau is acting like a drunken teen who stole his dad's credit card. He doesn't know how to budget or what it's like to have to actually work for a living, or how to save for a rainy day. He's always had his daddy's trust fund. Look at all the money he's wasted since getting power. Almost all of it has left the country never to be seen again. Not one cent generated a new Canadian job in the private sector.
        What you just said can be said about the Alberta Government.

        Originally posted by Locomotion View Post
        Alberta wants to go back to work. To generate new money with no debts. It's very irritating to hear some ass clown mayor in Quebec try to prevent Alberta from getting it's oil to market, yet still expects a huge transfer payment.
        How about you realize that you had your chance and blew it? Here is the reality. Harper put all his eggs in the same basket. Banking on Oil. He unprotected lakes and lands to benefit the oil industry. He shut up research concerning gobal warming for the oil industry. But lets blame Trudeau. How about we look at the facts.

        Trudeau has been in Office 5 months. Its hard to blame him for the state of the country. Once he has served his time, he will be judged for what he has done. In you want to blame anyone...

        Harper had:
        1.6% annual GDP growth: Worst of any PM since WW2
        1.0% job creation: Worst of any PM since WW2
        -1.4pts Employement Rate: First negative Employment Rate Since WW2
        0.3% increase in Exports: Worst ever

        Yet...it's Trudeau's Fault.



        Originally posted by Locomotion View Post
        Trudeau should stop his political posturing and let the energy east pipeline through. It would generate thousands of jobs across Canada to help us all through these dark economic times. To hell with pleasing his Liberal financial backers. It's time to ignore their demands and just do the right thing.
        Doing the right thing is diversity. Without diversity the economy is weak. What if oil doesn't come back? What happens when it becomes obsolete? It happened to wood, coal and steam. What happens if black gold stays at 30-40$ a barrel? It will happen. just like it happened in the past. One day Oil will be replaced....its called progress. Then what?
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        • #19
          Random points...

          Harper's decision to cut the GST, and the multitude of targeted tax cuts to specific groups of potential supporters, were havok on the finances and government services. Yes, there are a group of people who think lower taxes and less government services and less infrastructure are the way to go because it means a few hundred dollars a year more in their bank account. However, most Canadians demand every day for more services, better roads, new bridges, good military, and so on and so forth. We have to pay for it and a PM or Premier saying "I have the lowest taxes since X" does not find that balance. Low tax regimes generally are not great places to live unless you are at a certain income level(which is only a small percentage of the population). A lot of people suffer when government has a low tax / less service mentality like Harper did.

          Harper ran huge deficits for most of his time in office and added over 100 billion to the federal debt. In order to say in an election year "we have a balanced budget" (which was false anyways because the revenues have kept dropping), he had to be a dick to most of the country and cannibalize the government services.

          I understand full well that people think this is the way government should be (lower taxes and cut the heck out of what government offers to the people). The problem is, Alberta like everyone else, demand help and assistance when things don't go well. A government needs revenues to do that.

          so, I don't know. Is adding 100+ billing to the debt and running 7 or more deficits better financial management than what we are looking at going forward? I don't think so.

          Harper would have run a deficit this year too in the billions of dollars. it was unavoidable.

          Economics are global, a PM can not be held responsible for all of that. World meltdowns or dumping oil prices are something any political leader will have to deal with . They do have control over taxation and that is where Harper was irresponsible to say the least.

          And look, this whole "let's insult Justin" movement has the same people hijacking every comment thread on every news article in Canada, every day. It started the morning after the election. I get why they are doing it because they need to get their party back in power. It is just an obsession and regardless of what he does or does not do, they are trotting out the same thing. For example, these people would go "25,000 Syrians.. this is horrible by the drama teacher, they are terrorists!!"..... a few weeks later its "Oh, haha, the drama teacher failed because he didn't get 25,000 in the door by the end of the year"........... my point is, they will just relentlessly attack regardless of the policy or outcome and will attack ANY result. On a side note, MOST MP's had careers prior to being in elected office... teachers, doctors, tradespeople, etc...... it seems to be only the Justin attacks that seem to point out someone's former career. Rona has Arts degrees; should we go "haha, who wants some artsy fartsy to be PM"... those words would be used on Trudeau

          Who knows if he will be a good or bad PM..... his current attackers are just blindly attacking every word and move like sheep without even thinking about it. Sad to see because if you are a Conservative, presenting yourselves to the country as angry closed minded people who personally attack, is not a good way to sell that as a future government.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Locomotion View Post
            Trudeau is acting like a drunken teen who stole his dad's credit card. He doesn't know how to budget or what it's like to have to actually work for a living, or how to save for a rainy day. He's always had his daddy's trust fund. Look at all the money he's wasted since getting power. Almost all of it has left the country never to be seen again. Not one cent generated a new Canadian job in the private sector.

            Albertans don't want Trudeau's borrowed money, that imbecile has pushed the country into enough debt already.

            Alberta wants to go back to work. To generate new money with no debts. It's very irritating to hear some ass clown mayor in Quebec try to prevent Alberta from getting it's oil to market, yet still expects a huge transfer payment.

            No pipeline, no money. No money, no transfer payments. It's as simple as that.

            Trudeau should stop his political posturing and let the energy east pipeline through. It would generate thousands of jobs across Canada to help us all through these dark economic times. To hell with pleasing his Liberal financial backers. It's time to ignore their demands and just do the right thing.

            Things are pretty grim here in Alberta these days. Thousands are losing their jobs daily. Suicides are at an all time high. Everybody knows someone who's lost a family member to suicide, which wasn't the case a few years ago.

            We've got a federal AND a provincial government who seem to think it's a good time to tax big business with so called "carbon taxes". Which of course just makes matters worse, as big business just leave the province for lower tax zones, like Saskatchewan. When Trudeau brings his new taxes in, big business will just leave Canada with their jobs altogether.

            To be clear, I'm certainly no separatist, just a reporter of the weather here. There is a big storm coming.
            Albertan's don't want Trudeau's borrowed money? Now that just makes no sense at all.
            You continue to blame Trudeau for a situation he had nothing to do with, way to pass the buck.
            How do you know which dollar is borrowed and which is not.
            Just stop the rhetoric, it makes no sense.

            You keep making comments about the present and future without looking at the past.
            The Conservatives ran big deficits until near the end of their last term, borrowing money is not new to government.
            In fact with record low interest rates now is better than ever to do it.

            Alberta wants to go back to work doing what? Over priced jobs in an unsustainable industry?
            Chances are the oil price will never go back up enough to bring the industry back ever, it is finished move on.
            Half the people working in the Oil Industry in Alberta are not even from there.
            They went there with the promise of TEMPORARY work, now it is over and they complain they are out of work in Alberta.
            They should go home and get a job there, but nobody wants to work for a normal wage now.

            The fact is, Trudeau is NOT blocking the pipeline, again you are blaming the wrong person, just making him a scapegoat.

            THERE IS NO MORE TRANSFER PAYMENTS.
            THERE IS NO MORE TRANSFER PAYMENTS.
            Do i have to say it again?
            The transfer payments will be balanced based on current situations.
            Most likely transfer payments will stop both ways for now.

            The suicide thing is made up completely, there may be a few more but seriously....
            Most bankruptcies are due to short sighted people that can't save for the future.
            The young people that are out of work could get new jobs, but they are spoiled.
            In fact many in Alberta are spoiled.

            People making 6 figures for many years should not be in this predicament but they didn't save, plain and simple.
            You like to blame everyone else in Canada but the fact is it is mostly the individuals fault.

            There is no storm coming just a shitload of hot air, which has already started.
            You just have to look at the past to see the reality of what will happen.
            Just a bunch of crying based on no facts.

            The fact is Albertan politicians bought off the voters with the money that they should have save away.
            Albertans fell for it lock, stock and barrel. Even when the Premier was drunk, most of the time.
            There was no Sales tax for some stupid reason, another waste of cash.
            Lowly Saskatchewan brings in $10 Billion a year with sales tax.
            Think of how much Alberta would have over the last 20 years or so.

            I'm sorry but you cannot blame all of Alberta's problems on Trudeau and the Mayor of Montreal.
            They actually have ZERO to do with Alberta's problems.
            Just because you build a pipeline doesn't mean there will be oil to put in it.
            Nobody will want Alberta's over priced oil, probably ever again.
            It was always a temporary situation, but no one will ever admit that.
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            • #21
              Common Sense....

              The oil problem is simple math. Alberta exports 97% of its oil to the USA. The USA wants to become independent of foreign oil. When the worlds largest consumer says no to your product, now what? It's too expensive to ship over seas so now it's build a pipeline to eastern Canada so that we buy your oil? Or are you planning to ship it to Europe? Cheaper for them to get it from the Middle East. How is this going to help our economy? It won't...

              In the end, any money you gain from building a pipeline is nul and void. Let's use common sense. You build the pipeline through Quebec opening markets to eastern Canada. You start making money again. Then...those equalization payments will come into effect. And all the money you made, will go right back to the provinces you made money from. And you still had to pay for a pipeline.

              So, if you want to ship Eastern Canada free oil....go for it.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by ditadiortg View Post
                I already vote for Shyla for prime minister.
                Lets see.

                1- Quebec and BC has excess Hydro. Offer manufacturing free power if they open a plant. Free energy can help Canada compete with INdia and China for manufacturing. They might have cheap labour, but we have free energy.
                2- Limit the amount of times you can go on unemployment over a timeframe. Can't stand seasonal work.
                3- cut all governemnt handouts to corperations. This is capitalism. Dog eat dog. If your business is suffering and going under, something else will take its place.
                4- invest into alternative energy sources.
                5- Ban the sale of new gasoline cars and begin a phase out period. Oil industry makes more money on plastics and other sources. No need to burn it.
                6-build a wall between Canada and Mexico....oh wait...Sorry Trump moment.
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                • #23
                  Is anyone monitoring where these refugees are actually settling? I sure hope hero Mr. Trudeau and Quebec is taking their fair share, we all know how much Quebecois like their immigrants.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by greep View Post
                    Is anyone monitoring where these refugees are actually settling? I sure hope hero Mr. Trudeau and Quebec is taking their fair share, we all know how much Quebecois like their immigrants.
                    I have seen numbers out there; it has been reported the number that came to Metro Vancouver ..... it is not being kept a secret.

                    Many of them are still waiting for placement and are staying in hotels so they may get moved around a bit before settling.

                    Hey, we saved 25,000 lives from a war and genocide zone. I feel pretty good about that in spite of the challenges posed by it. It's something to be proud. I know if one of them commits a crime or bounces a check ( any population of 25,000 will have a few in there), Harper Conservatives will come out and slam all 25,000 of them, but really, this is a great thing our country did.

                    PS - if someone wonder's why I say "Harper Conservative" when the man is gone... it is simple to me. He hijacked the Conservative movement in Canada and turned a lot of them into angry, bitter, divisive, personal attacking, petty people (his management style). The Conservative movement on national leve was never this bad before, so I do strike a difference between Conservatives and Harper Conservatives. I hope under Rona the movement can moderate itself and dial it down after 10 years of Harper. There are a lot of good and well meaning people that consider themselves Conservative that have been drowned out by the Harper style the last decade. Hope they all get a voice again because they will be out of government a long long time if the arm that relentlessly is calling Trudeau names on a daily basis continues to be the one people see prominently.

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                    • #25
                      Some people on here are really gonna throw a shit fit if Bernie Sanders gets in too.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by vancouverman View Post
                        I have seen numbers out there; it has been reported the number that came to Metro Vancouver ..... it is not being kept a secret.
                        Many of them are still waiting for placement and are staying in hotels so they may get moved around a bit before settling.

                        Hey, we saved 25,000 lives from a war and genocide zone. I feel pretty good about that in spite of the challenges posed by it. It's something to be proud. I know if one of them commits a crime or bounces a check ( any population of 25,000 will have a few in there), Harper Conservatives will come out and slam all 25,000 of them, but really, this is a great thing our country did.

                        PS - if someone wonder's why I say "Harper Conservative" when the man is gone... it is simple to me. He hijacked the Conservative movement in Canada and turned a lot of them into angry, bitter, divisive, personal attacking, petty people (his management style). The Conservative movement on national leve was never this bad before, so I do strike a difference between Conservatives and Harper Conservatives. I hope under Rona the movement can moderate itself and dial it down after 10 years of Harper. There are a lot of good and well meaning people that consider themselves Conservative that have been drowned out by the Harper style the last decade. Hope they all get a voice again because they will be out of government a long long time if the arm that relentlessly is calling Trudeau names on a daily basis continues to be the one people see prominently.
                        Thousands staying in hotels. So what are the estimates on the cost of bringing these refugees and settling them inside Canada going to be? Must be billions right? People talk about the deficits and debt that the Harper government ran up yet they applaud this ass wipe for bringing in 25,000+ refugees (not immigrants- refugees). Doesn't make any sense, either the cupboards are bare or full. If they are bare like the LIbs say they are, then what the hell is Junior doing. If this is any indication of Juniors fiscal approach to Canada's finances we are doomed. Just who's money is he spending and where is it coming from?

                        I dont see much around where people are blaming Junior for Harpers mess (thats an American thing adopted by our biased Lib media) What I see more of is people attacking Justin for what he IS GOING TO DO.

                        I dont mind accepting some of these refugees, maybe 5-8000, but he went too overboard trying to look like a hero to the world, at the expense of Canada's security. He is more concerned how the world sees him, than he is being a responsible elected leader for his own people.

                        I really hope he is a one term PM. A bad mistake in our History.
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                        • #27
                          They have already estimated the costs (and they over estimated to be safe) and the number is out there very easy to see..... it is not "in the billions" and other than blind hate for the PM I am not sure why you would even make that comment. That sounds like the common news comments section.

                          Sure, cost over runs happen, however, it won't be like you are saying unless we buy them all BMW's and rent them luxury condos in downtown Vancouver or Toronto.

                          Saving lives costs money my friends; we saved a lot of people from a very dire situation. I have no problem with my tax money doing this humanitarian service.

                          As for "security risk"...... out of any group of 25,000 someone in there is going to break a law. It will be sad, and humorous, to see people go on a rampage online when someone gets busted for drugs, or shoplifting, or assault and they happen to be a syrian refugee. People like this are just waiting to brand them all horrible creatures worthy of death back in a war torn land. Hopefully as Harper goes farther into our past the Harper Conservative movement will tone it down from this kind of thing and start to have compassion again.

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                          • #28
                            Alex, as an American democrat, I would be delighted to have Bernie Sanders as our president. I don't think that will happen and I have no problem with Hillary either. Either of them would make a much better president than any of the republicans. It's not even close.

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                            • #29
                              Juniors program of bringing in tens of thousands of refugees isnt out of compassion. It from his desire to be looked at as a savour to worlds needy. He really couldn't give a shit about these people, other than they vote Liberal, which they usually do.

                              I notice how libs always hold up the conservative leaders to such high standards, but are constantly making excuses and turning blind eyes on Liberal leaders. Happens here and in the US. And be careful what you read, most of the media is left leaning, so everything you read must be taken with a grain of salt.
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                              • #30
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                                Originally posted by greep View Post
                                Juniors program of bringing in tens of thousands of refugees isnt out of compassion. It from his desire to be looked at as a savour to worlds needy. He really couldn't give a shit about these people, other than they vote Liberal, which they usually do.

                                I notice how libs always hold up the conservative leaders to such high standards, but are constantly making excuses and turning blind eyes on Liberal leaders. Happens here and in the US. And be careful what you read, most of the media is left leaning, so everything you read must be taken with a grain of salt.
                                Well said. This current politically correct thing going on in the world is pure insanity. Say one thing that doesn't go with the modern day Tumbler brain washed borg collective, and you are called every name under the book. They are a vicious bunch, spiteful and full of hate. They will stalk you on the internet, sprinkle your posts with bile but will cower in a corner when you confront them, even call the thought police for help.

                                The large corporate politically correct media is a joke. CBC? Just another well funded state broadcaster. It tells people what they want them to hear. Tries to pick the government that the populace chooses.

                                There were massive rape-riots in Germany, especially Cologne on New Years Eve. Not a peep out of the corporate MSM outlets for close to a week ... until the outrage on social media couldn't be ignored anymore. Why? They didn't want to offend muslims, or embarrass Merkle. She even fired a police chief for mentioning the refugees in his statement. Refugees committed sexual assaults & rapes ... but they weren't allowed to call them refugees. What a pile of bullocks!

                                Then this just happened a few days ago in Moscow. A refugee babysitter beheaded a 4 year old Russian girl for Allah. She paraded the head around downtown shouting "I am a terrorist, praise Allah!"

                                Not a peep in the MSM ... until eventually the BBC finally mentioned it 3 days later:



                                Still no sign of this tragic story on the corporate north american MSM outlets. I've read more on some alternative sites which aren't very reliable, but when they all start echoing the same story, the truth usually shines through. Apparently the mother needed to be hospitalized after discovering what this bitch did.

                                The government doesn't want to give muslim refugees a bad name, as they want their votes. So they try to control media content. If the media likes the current government, they will gladly oblige them.

                                George Orwell's book 1984 is actually coming to reality today, in the 21st century ... just a few decades late. The government (big brother) knows and sees all. Be careful of what you say. Be careful of what you think.

                                Big Brother will punish you for wrong thinking.

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