Honestly,shemales are not men so you're not gay for finding them to be sexually appealing.

[Tgirltoy]

"
It makes me sad to see all the very pretty & attractive young trans women, who struggle to find relationships because of these insecurities in the men that are attracted to them."
Quote: Fantasia

Hi Fantasia,

I must admit that I arrived late in discovering pre-op transgender woman. I was married at the time and continue to be married.

From what I know today, I'd have no issues with dating a pre-op transgender women and to hope for a mutual loving long term relationship.

So being a hobbyist is where I must remain.

Thank-you to all the SPs here for allowing me to be in your company and for allowing me to discover myself and to discover your beauty.

I have also fulfilled other desires in the company of GG SPs but I know now that my preference is for pre-op trans women. I still admire GG women but when it comes to desire...it's for a pre-op transgender woman hands-down.

Fantasia, you make an excellent observation of which I wish I could participate and be apart of the catalyst changing the societal norms. Unfortunately I'm too late and I'm leaving another transgender women unbeknownst without a passionate relationship that we can all celebrate but so too they will remain but I hope not for long.

For there will be others like myself who will desire pre-op transgender woman as there first desire and love without regretting that they were too late!

kisses,

Tgirltoy

[dom r]

You could tell shes part male in her face, but honestly she looks really really hot. Wowww.

[Philly88]

I love shecock and wouldn't touch a straight or gay dude even if I was paid. And if I guy kissed me I would literally be grossed out. But I'll take a shecock in my mouth or ass any day. Whatever that makes me is fine, but it's not gay.

[tommyguns]

I love shecock and wouldn't touch a straight or gay dude even if I was paid. And if I guy kissed me I would literally be grossed out. But I'll take a shecock in my mouth or ass any day. Whatever that makes me is fine, but it's not gay.

so what would or have you done when it turns out the shemale you are about to see is a guy in a wig that advertises as a girl but wears a wig and lives as a man.it grosses me out also....some people dont mind it..... but many mind it very much and are not into this it all....i have read reviews where this wasnt mentioned at all.

[Rockheart]

so what would or have you done when it turns out the shemale you are about to see is a guy in a wig that advertises as a girl but wears a wig and lives as a man.it grosses me out also....some people dont mind it..... but many mind it very much and are not into this it all....i have read reviews where this wasnt mentioned at all.

First no shemale is advertising as a "girl" on a shemale site.
How would you know that any escort doesn't live as a man all the time or at some points in their life.
Sure there are some escorts you know live full time for sure, but the majority you have no idea.
A number of top tgirl porn stars wear wigs all the time or sometimes, even girls with thin hair wear wigs on occasion.
Now days, many women and tgirls wear hair extensions instead of wigs because they are cheaper now and very realistic.

Really I would think it only grosses you out if you know, if not what difference does it make.?
Say you jack off to a certain porn star daily then after years find out she wears a wig and lives as a man?
What do you do, throw up and quit life?

I guess if these things are so important to you, then ask before you go to see the provider.
It is not like you have to go sit in a dark room and never have contact with them before your tryst.
Then they come into a locked room and you are forced to do it with them or go to jail.

Sure some reviews do not point out that the person had a wig or not but what if the poster didn't know?
What if they do not care at all? Then why would they put it in their review.
There is plenty of comments on providers in the forum besides reviews you can learn from.

Plus in 99% of cases people are not going to providers they don't like because they don't' like them.
So to me if something grosses you out, then make sure you don't go to someone like that.
Occasionally people go to visit Backpage fakers and they are not the person in the pictures and may be a guy in a wig.
That doesn't really transfer to reputable providers who basically show you real pics.
If you show up without asking any questions how can you know what to expect?

The same with tits, some guys only like TS with implants but many like little hormone titties, while others like flat chests.
You cannot pigeonhole all tgirl lovers into your ideal person, we are all different and have different tastes.

They are all valid tgirls, it is all in your perception and likes that makes the difference.
Other than some altered appearance, if you have the same person one day with wig and no implants,
how are they such a different person the next day if they have real hair and boobs?

To me if they are feminine and turn me on, I don't really care if they dress as a man and go to a lumberjack competition after.
If it works for me in the moment, why does it matter if I don't have to see it?
I have never been with a man but have been with a couple tgirls with wigs and no implants, so what?
Many times I have seen tgirls as males, it happens.

[tommyguns]

so if i want to play for the leafs or the jays all i have to do is show up with a hockey stick or a bat and I'm good to go.....of course not it takes years of commitment and dedication.but all i need to be a shemale is a wig and a dress?I know my views are not welcome here but that is okay as I dont think i am the only one who thinks this way..is this crossdresser forums or gay forums? no it is tgirl forums...someone has to draw the line somewhere..... you have all the power here and i have none.so i assume this post will be deleted i will be barred but i feel it had to be said

[Rockheart]

so if i want to play for the leafs or the jays all i have to do is show up with a hockey stick or a bat and I'm good to go.....of course not it takes years of commitment and dedication.but all i need to be a shemale is a wig and a dress? I know my views are not welcome here but that is okay as I dont think i am the only one who thinks this way..is this crossdresser forums or gay forums? no it is tgirl forums...someone has to draw the line somewhere..... you have all the power here and i have none.so i assume this post will be deleted i will be barred but i feel it had to be said

Why would this post get deleted, you have your opinion. The fact you don't make much logical sense doesn't mean you will get deleted. You are not specifically attacking or being mean to any specific person. Why are you the one that needs to draw the line? Why does your line have to match everyone else's? If you hate it so much here, nothing is forcing you to do anything talk to anyone or read anything. This is the part that is not logical, if you don't like something don't read it, don't go see them. There is tons of stuff on my favourite TV channels that I don't like (such as Kaitlynn Jenner), but that does not mean I am throwing out my TV. I just don't watch the stuff I don't like.

Your comparison makes no sense at all. Professional sports are something that not everyone is built to do and often it takes years of commitment to do and often an entire lifetime. You still didn't answer one of my questions you just reply with some analogy that doesn't fit.

The fact is anyone can be transsexual, absolutely anyone.
I could grow my hair out and get extensions that look 100% real with a couple weeks.
Overnight I can get breast implants and get full body wax so i am smooth for weeks.
I'll go to a salon and get my hair and makeup done professionally.
Then i am exactly what you say you want and only in a few days could I achieve this with a bunch of cash.
I might no be the best looking girl ever but I would fit everything you are asking for.

This forum is about tgirls and the T stands for "Trans".
The is all types of trans from crossdressers to post-op transsexuals.
What are you trying to say? That we ban crossdressers or anyone that does not fit your mold?
From what you say I can only assume you only see post-op transsexuals.

A previous comment of yours was only deleted because you were unfairly asking the question on a good review.
Especially when you already know the answer and are just being a bit of a wanker. You may not have realized it but you were joining another escort in an attack. You can dislike some buy why attack them?

As i said many may not mention that a provider may wear a wig because they didn't care or it was not apparent to them.
I will say again people don't ever complain about wigs because if they don't like wigs, they don't see providers that have them.
Really, I have rarely heard that anyone was fooled by those wearing a wig.

Like i say, if you have a certain type of tgirl you like then ignore the others, I don't see the problem.
Everyone has a type, why try to project it on everyone else? If I go to bar there is tons of girls, some are damn ugly and I don't like them, but they have every right to be there. Do you ask the bar to kick out all the girls that gross you out?

Also calling someone a disgusting crossdresser just for wearing a wig or not having implants is just rude.
You don't know what is in someone's mind, just because they are unattractive to you does not mean they are not a bonifide transsexual. This for is for all types of trans not just the ones YOU like.

It is not a gay forum and we do not discuss men ever.
I am attracted to all sorts of trans and don't consider myself gay either.
However the fact is if you are sucking a cock it is a male cock. Women don't have cocks.
Trans will have cocks but they are people that are in transition to being a girl, they were still born men.

if you go down on a trans you are not eating a pussy in anyway.
You can try and fool yourself and say you are but the fact is you are sucking cock.
How you rationalize sucking cock is one thing, but you shouldn't discount others because of it.

This forum is open to anyone who likes any kind of trans.
I don't base my opinion of people based purely on looks there is far more to people than appearance.
Plus I am not really clear how not having a wig makes someone completely different?
What if there hair looks exactly like a wig but isn't?

As I already said to you there is many shemale porn stars with wigs and extensions.
There is even some that don't live full time, however i am not clear how you would know that any tgirl lives full time?

Here attached is Lisa Lawer, she was a famous and gorgeous transsexual porn star.
One day she decided to go back to being a man over night.
She cut her hair took out her implants and stopped hormones.
Almost instantly she was a man again.

If you were the guy sucking her cock then later met her as a man, what would you do?
Jump off a building or just deal the the facts?

The fact is tgirls are broad topic and this forum covers it all.
Today's "Crossdresser" is tomorrows "Real Shemale" in many cases.

[cameeindos]

cool, this old chestnut....

i don't see why people still ponder this, it's the same answer one gets.

i would say the reason why depensd on the man. for me it's a blend between a woman and a cock....

for others, it's about the cock alone.

for others yet, it's about all the womanly aspects, and the cock is secondary.

but if one is attracted to the womanly aspects and demeanours, then it cannot be gay imho.

[LOLA_]

well said

Yes I would. I see ladies that I think will make me feel like a million bucks, whether GG or TG.
Hence I don't see many. I don't care what equipment they have. Beauty,personality,and intelligence are what matter. I don't think I'm alone in this regard,so I don't think you can
make such sweeping generalizations.

[Mugsammy]

Ask yourself this "Would you visit these girls if they were post op?" Would you visit Lola if she were post op? Or Shyla? No! Why not? They're both sexy and beautiful. They're still the same sexy TG girls...only with a pussy?! So, why not? Why wouldn't you?

You're in it for the cock...

That's what I'm saying.

In looking back on this thread I realize that I must learn to discuss without dropping names, ie...Shyla and Lola. What I said could be misunderstood or misinterpreted. I use their names as an example only because they are the pinnacle of TG in Canada. Both ladies are beautiful, sexy, highly professional and highly respected.

As for you TG lovers...I'm not saying any of you are gay for loving TG's. If that were so, then I would be gay...which I am not. Nor am I bi. TG would have to be gay or bi in order to like gay or bi men. Most TG's I've met don't like gay men. Not sexually anyways.

I've waited so long to meet Lola (3 years) and my wait will continue I fear well into 2017. Like many of you, I'm going so that I can enjoy the whole package...head to toe, front and back, conversation, personality...the works. That other appendage, well, that's part of the deal I guess. Give a little take a little.

[cameeindos]

well said

cos you're an example of the beauty, but i'm positive you have other great qualities too.

[dom r]

The fact is anyone can be transsexual,absolutely anyone.I could grow my hair out and get extensions that look 100% real.Overnight I can get breast implants and get full body wax.This forum is for all types of trans from crossdressers to post-op transsexuals.What are you trying to say?That we ban crossdressers or anyone that does not fit your mold?

It is true that any male can become a tgirl to some or more degree especially the younger ones since all males have the female X chromosome before the Y. The more X's they have the more tgirl they are. All males could do a long hair, makeup, lipstick and mini skirt test. After they put on all that would determine how much tgirl they are. The prettier and more lustful they look the more tgirl they are, the less pretty and less lustful they look the more manly they are. As you could see with this photo, shes ALL tgirl and ALL lust in a mini skirt with panty pulled down-

[LOLA_]

In looking back on this thread I realize that I must learn to discuss without dropping names, ie...Shyla and Lola. What I said could be misunderstood or misinterpreted. I use their names as an example only because they are the pinnacle of TG in Canada. Both ladies are beautiful, sexy, highly professional and highly respected.

As for you TG lovers...I'm not saying any of you are gay for loving TG's. If that were so, then I would be gay...which I am not. Nor am I bi. TG would have to be gay or bi in order to like gay or bi men. Most TG's I've met don't like gay men. Not sexually anyways.

I've waited so long to meet Lola (3 years) and my wait will continue I fear well into 2017. Like many of you, I'm going so that I can enjoy the whole package...head to toe, front and back, conversation, personality...the works. That other appendage, well, that's part of the deal I guess. Give a little take a little.

[bb420]

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[tommyguns]

i never said to ban anyone..... if someone wants to put on a wig and dress thats ok it is a free country and none of my business..the issue is when that persons advertises as a tgirl and charges peoples hard earned cash then that is deceiving. my definition of a tgirl is definitely not a guy in a wig.some people may have a broader view of what is trans,sorry but i do not.I am sorry if offended anyone but this is an open forum and i just wish to express my opinion.