Trying to find non-escort tgirls is tough

[doomlemush]

If you are trying to find a tgirl that is never into prostitution it probably isn't going to happen.
Some have jobs or live on social assistance but in the end many will take money for sex at some point.

If you somehow think there is many tgirls that are only looking for love and sex, that is a mistaken idea.
Many tgirls don't have jobs and need a way to make money if they don't have a boyfriend to help them.

If you are rich or very good looking you may be able to meet and pickup many tgirls. Generally rich good looking guys are not looking for relationships.
Why do you need a relationship if you can get all the action you want?

So if you are an average guy you can meet tgirls but you will find the rich good looking guys are getting most of the action.
Many guys meet and date tgirls through escorts. First they are a customer, then they become a lover.

So if you don't want to pay for escorts you probably will have less chance for a relationship.
Generous guys are what tgirls tend to look for due to their situation being fairly expensive and it is harder for them to get a job.

Maybe you don't want to date them if you feel they are mentally disturbed. Dating tgirls also isn't easy.
In the end if you only want sex with tgirls, you probably should pay.

I’ve never paid and I will never pay for sex or encounter. Fuck that.

and the thing about them having problems finding jobs...
come on....its 2020 🙄 theres almost no longer discrimination about gender
or races.
someone who WANTS to work WILL work

[Guest]

If you are trying to find a tgirl that is never into prostitution it probably isn't going to happen.
Some have jobs or live on social assistance but in the end many will take money for sex at some point.

If you somehow think there is many tgirls that are only looking for love and sex, that is a mistaken idea.
Many tgirls don't have jobs and need a way to make money if they don't have a boyfriend to help them.

If you are rich or very good looking you may be able to meet and pickup many tgirls. Generally rich good looking guys are not looking for relationships.
Why do you need a relationship if you can get all the action you want?

So if you are an average guy you can meet tgirls but you will find the rich good looking guys are getting most of the action.
Many guys meet and date tgirls through escorts. First they are a customer, then they become a lover.

So if you don't want to pay for escorts you probably will have less chance for a relationship.
Generous guys are what tgirls tend to look for due to their situation being fairly expensive and it is harder for them to get a job.

Maybe you don't want to date them if you feel they are mentally disturbed. Dating tgirls also isn't easy.
In the end if you only want sex with tgirls, you probably should pay.

Are you serious? Every transgender woman has been a prostitute? I know many who work in call centers, hair salons, nurses etc and they have never worked as prostitutes. I agree that probably 50 to 75 percent have done sex work but definitely not all of them.

I know one girl in Cagayan de Oro who is a professional engineer and I assure you she has never done sex work.

[justvisiting2016]

I’ve never paid and I will never pay for sex or encounter. Fuck that.
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well thats nice and all, but it leaves you not having sex out of some sort of principle. You may question that a few years down the line while the rest of us are fucking up a storm

PS - we always pay, even if its not an escort. Relationships cost money even conventional ones and most women do want a guy who can bring home the potatoes.

[justvisiting2016]

If you are trying to find a tgirl that is never into prostitution it probably isn't going to happen.
Some have jobs or live on social assistance but in the end many will take money for sex at some point.

If you are speaking of Thailand, sure I can go with that. Its hard to make a decent living over there at the best of times so the escorting game is always appealing. But here? No way. But if one never meets a "civilian" trans woman they may feel this way.

[Guest]

I’ve never paid and I will never pay for sex or encounter. Fuck that.

and the thing about them having problems finding jobs...
come on....its 2020 🙄 theres almost no longer discrimination about gender
or races.
someone who WANTS to work WILL work

Yes. Even though transgender women are discriminated against and many do sex work, a woman who doesn’t to do this work will find something else. My girlfriend has always worked as a hairdresser and she could easily have made more money doing sex work but it’s not in her character.

[Guest]

well thats nice and all, but it leaves you not having sex out of some sort of principle. You may question that a few years down the line while the rest of us are fucking up a storm

PS - we always pay, even if its not an escort. Relationships cost money even conventional ones and most women do want a guy who can bring home the potatoes.

You are right about that. There is no free lunch. There is no free sex either. I have been married twice and that’s the most expensive sex there is!

[justvisiting2016]

For me I am a Web Developer not a pimp but others may argue......

You're a pimp

[Guest]

This a serious and important question. Where to find real tgirl that are not into prostitution.

It look like im one of the few here but, I never been with an escort and I dont plan to. I dont find it confortable at all nor sexy or exciting.
so im fucked...
and as you say guys, the real trans girl who try to live like normal girl and who are not escorts are really low profile and dont assume their cock and mostly dont like it...so no, they dont want guys who fantasize about it and dont like chasers.
And most of the time that they bring home a straight guy, they get rejected cuz the guy dont want to desl with a shecock (it happened to my friend)

another important detail that ive remarked : all the tgirl ive met in life or on internet, seemd to be fucked up in the head real bad and delusional. Too much drugs ? To much hormone inbalance ?

so whats are the options for the « normal» giys like me who are not ok with prostitution and escorts ?! a fcking miracle

Well, you have gotten the opinions of the experts here. They are all whores and yes, you have to pay. My engineer in Cagayan de Oro finally found a boyfriend but it took her a damn long time. I guess everyone thought she was a whore.

[Guest]

Also continuing on my other post.

When I met this ladyboy she was working in a bar. After I spent a couple months with her and came back to Canada, she stopped working in the bar.
She was living with her family and had no expenses so she didn't ask me to send any money at that time, but i still sent some. She may have been seeing some guys or whatever, show knows.

We rented the apartment in her name and I paid the first, last and damage deposit. Not having the property under my name was helpful so that i had no connection to the apartment or the money to pay for it to Thai authorities. On the other hand she could kick me out at any time I suppose but then I am not stuck with a lease.
If you were going to rent your own place then everything is in your name and you have more responsibility. However if you want to play the field you can but it will cost you more.

So for almost a year i had a hot ladyboy GF and a decent apartment in Bangkok. I normally sent her $1000 CAD per month total.
When i visited i had a free place and a happy ladyboy waiting there for me. You could say i am paying for prostitution or say I am just supporting my GF, the difference is slim. Playing the field is great but having a hot ladyboy that will fuck you as many times a day as you want that you already know is great too.
She could be making some other money on the side but I didn't know about it.

Like i say there is many great apartments to rent in Bangkok or Pattaya, how you approach it is up to you.
The same type of relationship is possible in Canada but normally their rent is more than $1000 here.

I guess my question is, did you consider her a whore you were paying or a girlfriend you were supporting? Or is it the same thing? If I support my wife and she doesn’t work, is she a whore? Is she still a whore if I am the only guy she is fucking?

I am sure you think I am some naive stupid guy but I have been married to a Third World woman and I have a lot of experience in Colombia, Mexico and Uruguay. Maybe I am a naive stupid guy.

[Guest]

She was a previously "whore" yes. 100%.
(She was one of the top earners in Bangkok and quit for me and less than $1000 a month)

If i sent her no money would she stay with me? Absolutely not. I don't have any illusions.
After she was "whore" again. However i never call anyone a whore, that particular word is degrading me.
I never called anyone a whore here either.

If you are a prostitute or sex worker what is so bad about that? You are the one that thinks it is such a bad thing.
I'm saying they probably have been into sex work at some time not that they are with you or in the future.

Who said anything about women or you being naïve and stupid?
Again you always exacerbate every conversation with some emotion.
If you don't agree with me fine, but don't be reading shit into this that is not there.

We are talking about ladyboys and tgirls here which i have more experience than most of you.
I won't be shamed because i know who I am and what I may be getting into.

So I pay for a ladyboy in Thailand? It helps her and her family have a better life and she tends to try to do things other than sex work.
Then i have someone special that knows me there. I have no illusions that I am the one and only but hope I am.
If some rich ex client comes to town, maybe she saw him but who knows. Does it really matter?

To tell you the truth, I don’t think there is anything wrong with sex work but the people who do it are usually fucked up in the head as a result. Hell, even Janet Mock, an author and television producer was a sex worker at one time. So it’s true, a lot of transgender women do sex work at some point in their lives.

Are they whores? Yes. Was I a whore when I practiced law? Yes. Which is why I quit after six years of practice.

Any relationship that revolves around money is inevitably fucked up as a result. I have supported women at various times, some I was married to and some not.

You think Thailand and the Philippines are full of whores? Try the Dominican Republic. Then again maybe American girls are just more expensive.

[Guest]

I like the word whore. Calling them sex workers is like putting lipstick on a pig - they are still whores.

You are right that there is not the stigma there that there is here. Of course poverty will do that to you. Or maybe it just increases the price. Even your regular Joe can afford a Third World whore - First World whores are a whole other level.

The problem with being a whore is your attitude forever after is all about money. Can you turn a whore into a housewife? Probably not but then again your housewife may be a whore too. Whenever her allowance runs out, she knows she can make some dough with her cock or pussy. You can never trust a whore to be faithful to you. Of course that’s probably true of most women.

A whore can have feelings for her johns but they will never be anything more than that. Usually in Third World countries only family members are worthy of love - a foreigner is an ATM. It’s tough dealing with Third World women - you have to have a certain kind of ruthlessness - weakness is usually an opportunity for them to take advantage of you.

[marinav]

In Thailand what is the STI testing process like? are all these tgirls in the bars tested on the regular?

[fleurdepassion]

Don't lose hope, there are some who really want serious relationships and are not sex workers. Recently, I saw a man book a love room near my house to spend a night with a T-girl I met on a dating website. Like that, anything is possible even if I think they are hiding a bit. Moreover, t-girls who are not escorts want to live their life normally and don't necessarily shout out their sexual situation from the rooftops. Besides, they are the ones I prefer, they are discreet. I don't like girls who are vain: look at me, I have a big penis!!!

[Guest]

The reason you say "Sex work" is because it is non offensive. When i hear 'whore' I think of a drug addict in a back alley sucking cock for wooden nickels. It is a degrading and derogatory term, it just isn't fair to most people. If they are a "whore" for taking money then we are reverse whores for paying them. It is painting every situation with the same brush.
If a person suddenly finds out their GF once had sex for money is it ok to scream at them that they are a whore? No.

Sex work is legitimate in many other countries and becoming more so here. It isn't just because of poverty, it is more acceptable in their society.
Even in our countries most tgirls are going to want some of the sex work pie rather than work some menial job. It is hard to support university or anything without it.
They then go on to have families and boyfriends and a good career. Some will continue doing it full or part time.
Lots of girls dabble in sex work to finish school or make extra money. Girls sucking men dry for cash is no new thing, it has happened always.
Many countries you have to give the father of your GF a dowry to date or marry them. Are they whores? Are their dads pimps?
Are they all whores? No.

Plenty of people find love with ladyboys. As I said, the sex work is easy money.
In Thailand the majority of the relationships with ladyboys start through sex work.
Even here a great number of relationships with tgirls evolve from some type of money relationship.
You can go look at the most popular personals site in Thailand which is Thai Friendly
https://www.thaifriendly.com/?ai=574

Every ladyboy on that site is looking for money and love. If you are young and handsome they may fuck you for free but they still would expect you to take care of their basic expenses like food and maybe a gift. Still don't we do that when we take a lady on a date anyway? Ideally they want a relationship with a young, handsome rich man. Since young men are often broke they will tend to end up with a handsome older man you can take care of them. Pretty much the same as here. Plus Thai men generally do not treat them as well as foreign men, but sometimes they like that too.

Still in Thailand there is not very much of the feminist ideas and ladies can still be women and not have to be independent if they want. In our society they try and force women to be independent because they say it is better for them to make their own way? Traditionally relationships were all about men proving they could take care of their lady. In return the lady took care of the man and bore his children etc. Ladies and ladyboys in Thailand are mostly taught by their mother to take good care of their man. This usually applies to sex work or day to day life. So many ladyboys will do my laundry and take care of me in many ways, even on a short date. That is what they are programmed to do. You can call it a patriarchy but I think it is just how things are supposed to be. Not a society where men and women are exactly the same in all ways.

Can i always trust them not to cheat on me? No. Will they always treat me like a king when i am there. Usually yes.

So basically everyone in these Third World shitholes is a whore. As long as they treat you right while you’re paying them for sex, who cares if they are selling it every other night? Really, I don’t care that most of them are whores and I understand why they have to be whores. It’s the culture and the poverty. Good for them if they can make a quick buck to buy enough to eat and a place to live.

A lot of what you say is certainly true. The relationships between men and women are often based on money, in the First World as well as the Third World, between husband and wife as well as whore and john.

Nevertheless how many men would marry a woman who he knows is out fucking around whenever he turns his back? I would wager very damn few. A whore is worth a few dollars and a few minutes attention. She is not worth anything else.

[justvisiting2016]

So basically everyone in these Third World shitholes is a whore

Considering the state of North America, I think you are severely misguided , or worse, to be calling these nations "Third World shitholes". It shows a lack of understanding, or worse but I won't jump to using those terms.

Think about it.