Trying to find non-escort tgirls is tough

[mbrown]

Are they attractive? Have you dated any of them? Just curious.

Yes very attractive! I met one in a club in the gay village, when I first saw her I thought she was a biological woman. We dated a couple weeks. Good time

[fleurdepassion]

Recently, I just saw a poignant testimony from a transgender person. Rejected by her family, it is really sad that the only way to find friends is through prostitution. At 14, the person testifying said that the only trans people she knows are in prostitution.

Therefore, necessarily the person also falls into prostitution for a living. And even if she was in a serious relationship, the companion was just looking for sex and then leaves. In fact, this person was dreaming of a romantic night out, that her companion would take her away one day for a romantic getaway, and in the end, the men just took advantage of her.

Not to mention the risks of aggression when you're in this business. You are never safe from narrow-minded people who only lure you into a trap only to assault you afterwards.

In short, the testimony is sad and common to all trans people for most of its history.

It is an article in French, here is the website for those who want to read the whole of his testimony:

https://mouvementdunid.org/non-class...e-je-n-ai-pas/

[Guest]

Considering the state of North America, I think you are severely misguided , or worse, to be calling these nations "Third World shitholes". It shows a lack of understanding, or worse but I won't jump to using those terms.

Think about it.

Believe me, I am under no illusions about the shithole country that I am living in. The US is making a rapid descent into the Third World. The economy is completely dysfunctional, the government is absolutely corrupt, the citizens are fucking morons. Instead of walking the streets and bars, the whores here are shopping for sugar daddies on the Internet. At this point I really can’t imagine a country more worthless than this one. Cursed by God and hated by men, that’s the USA.

[nowayjose]

OP,
Just remember this is an escort review site. So when you start a thread titled "Trying to find non-escort tgirls is tough", your audience is those who are experts at finding escort tgirls. You might not be getting the best perspective on this subject here.

Also, boobs are expensive. Even girls who have objections to escorting my dabble to get transition cash.

[Guest]

That story is fairly old, things have been changing fast. Things are similar but things are better. Families are not rejecting trans and gay children like once happened. The need to run off and make their way alone is less. The incidence of violence where they attack transgender sex workers virtually never happens anymore. Sure sex workers get robbed and violated but the pure hate against them really doesn't exist anymore. I have not heard of many violent incidence or murders in recent years.

Maybe not in Canada but to date in 2020, 29 transgender women have been murdered in the US. So much for the absence of violence and everyone singing Kumbaya. The US is a vicious, hateful, violent country and no, things are not getting better. It’s a god forsaken shit hole that deserves to be destroyed.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/violen...munity-in-2020

[ladyluv]

That story is fairly old, things have been changing fast. Things are similar but things are better. Families are not rejecting trans and gay children like once happened. The need to run off and make their way alone is less. The incidence of violence where they attack transgender sex workers virtually never happens anymore. Sure sex workers get robbed and violated but the pure hate against them really doesn't exist anymore. I have not heard of many violent incidence or murders in recent years.

In Canada is it generally felt that prostitution or sex work is a legitimate profession. Whether that is misguided or not, it makes sex work less risky and less illegal. When it was illegal, parties no both sides were scared to call the police if something happened. Now the legal pressure is off and criminality and abuse due to fear of law enforcement is now gone. Maybe this makes some enter the business easier but whether it is helpful to society or not is debatable. Still sex work will never go away so why not accept it.

When you are MTF trans you don't have the same feelings about sex work than a female may have. Trans generally have higher sex drives and don't see paying for sex as a bad thing so much. The guys that are into trans are not able to easily find them in day to day life so tgirl escorts are popular due to this. Also many guys do not want to have a public relationship due to the possible stigma or outing they may encounter. From what i have seen tgirl admirers are a fairly reasonable bunch and most treat the ladies quite well, but there is also jerks out there.

Sex work is a good way to get out of your house, if you family is not accepting, or to get out of a bad situation. A student would probably get a better education doing sex work part time, than working at a menial job. It would let them work as they please, make decent money and have time to study. Sure some get stuck in the business due to drug addiction, but human trafficking and pimps are not generally associated with tgirl escorts. Most are independant but some have jerky boyfriends that act like pimps. Usually this means the tgirls is in a bad relationship or think that is the best they can do.

Another thing i see is how many people find a tgirl mate through sex work. Sure most guys just want sex but there is guys that like trans and escorting is one of the few ways to meet them. Often over time regular customers become lovers and drift into a relationship. So this why I say the industry is a good way for like minded people to meet. Escorting is probably not the best profession for your entire life but it is good to help trans get a leg up in our society.

In Thailand sex work is more acceptable but I do have a problem with how some get into the sex industry there. My Ladyboy GF i show with the "Buy me something" shirt live on a rice farm far away from Bangkok and Pattaya. They and their family over the years have noticed other families have girls and ladyboys with foreign suitors. These people suddenly had new homes and extra wealth. Everyone in the village wants a piece of that. So they send their ladyboy son and their other son to work in Pattaya and send money back to the family. So I think both had the option to work at 7-11 or whatever but that would not make the kind of money they were thinking of. While i don't say the parents specifically told them to work in the sex industry, I think they expected it. The ladyboy worked in bars and on walking street, while her brother worked in a gay gogo, even though he was not gay. Her brother didn't like it and soon went back home. Within in no time he had knocked up a girl in the village. He was sworn to duty to take care of his new family. After my Ladyboy GF met me, she soon quit working and moved back to the farm. I helped them finance a new house but in the end it was mostly a scam. She seemed to like me but also seemed fake and finally one day said she would never come to Canada. After that i left and never went back. Not sure if she went back to sex work, however i built them a new house and set up a store in the front of their house. So it is possible she just stayed there to work. Thai ladyboys don't often have relationships with Thai men, as usually they only want sex from them, so they look to foreign men for real relationships.

You are severely caught up in the facade of Pattaya. It is the shithole of Thailand. Countless foreigners go there and get suckered into the same shit. All/many of the bar girls and tgirls are very poor and uneducated. They all come from the North east in Isan, as I’m sure you’re aware. They don’t give a shit about you me, or any other western man. There’s lots and lots of well educated tgirls and women that aren’t after your money, if you ventured outside of those sex tourist areas.

[Guest]

That doesn't prove anything about what i said. It is fact in the USA and Canada that TS escorts are not beat up or killed on a regular basis compared to what may have happened in the past.

You speak of 29 people that were murdered in the USA. While tragic, it just isn't that many people in the grand scope of things.
Compare that to over 16,000 people murdered every year in the USA.

While violence is a problem in America it is not specifically directed at gays or transgenders more than anyone else.
That page you post shows 29 people that died but none appear to be directly the result of violence directed specifically against transgenders that I can see. They can make a list with dead people of any group but if you give no point of reference, it doesn't really mean much.

I would bet that over 5000 "Mothers" were probably murdered among the 16000 total, that is very tragic. How many children murdered etc. etc. Many are from Puerto Rico and street hookers and drug addicts. It isn't specifically clear the motives in most of those cases.
Some murderers were strangers, lovers and acquaintances, the same kind of people that could murder anyone.

We should work to reduce all murder but to say that transgenders are specifically targeted is not true. Again it is tragic but not much compared to the total.
All murdered people of any type should mourned and not just special interest groups. All should be helped not just certain groups.

If someone kills me because they "hate" me, is that not also a hate crime? Or i just don't look or act the right way?
It is pretty much impossible to prove if someone is gay or transgender. Anyone can say they are gay or transgender.
You don't even have to have sex to be gay or transgender, you only have to state it.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-1990/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

That website had a list of the 29 who were murdered. One of them was in San Antonio and she was murdered for being transgender. I am sure I could research the other 28 but I won’t bother you with the facts. You live in a fantasy world of happy hookers and peace and goodwill towards all LGBT. The reality is America is a land of hatred towards anyone who is not white and straight. Gay and transgender people are being attacked every single day in this hell hole.

[nowayjose]

A quick google search yields multiple results claiming transgender people make up about 0.6% of the American population. So, if Crag's math is correct that transgenders are 0.18% of murdered people in the states, that would mean they are under-represented relative to the demographics. In other words they are being murdered at a lesser rate than the rest of the population. More than 3 times less than might be expected statistically.

[ladyluv]

Pattaya is a great place sorry you don't like it. Most of the people go there because in Isan they are not very rich or educated often.
However there is ladyboys there from many parts of Thailand and many other countries.
They are generally dark skinned and discriminated against by people that think they are better than them.
Many are gay and ladyboys and are accepted in this city unlike other places. Pattaya has the most ladyboys in any place on earth.
Not clear what the facade is. Is it that I can go have a nice short term relationship with a ladyboy that feels like the real thing?
Guess what, they enjoy particpating in my vacation too.

You don't have a fucking clue what happened with me, or even read what I even said.
That house is near Buriram which is in Isan which i paid a majority of the construction. The house was for my GF and her family and I was happy to provide the money to build it. I am under no illusions what they are after but I also got something too. Companionship, sex and a relationship.
I also bought her boobs but I got something out of that too.

Perhaps the situation is that I cared for her and love to help them out. She was not charging me for sex and companionship, so I don't see the problem.
I did not build a house for every ladyboy in Thailand, just this one I dated for 3 years. I spent months out there living with the family.
In the end I did get frustrated with the families bit of greed, but as you say that is how it is.

So I had some great times and vacations in Isan and Pattaya.
I also stayed in Bangkok with the family of my other long time Ladyboy GF Cake. I would stay at her families house in Bangkok most trips.
Cake was totally gorgeous and had some other boyfriends but she was a great companion and took great care of me.

If you took the time to check you would see I have been everywhere in Thailand.
On the ladyboy forums there is all sorts of stories of trips I have taken to every corner of Thailand.
Guess what? Every single ladyboy in Thailand is pretty much the same, no matter what you say.

I have been to Thailand 28 times and had an apartment in Bangkok for also a year.
I have had a professional career, 2 university degrees and been running tgirl websites for 20 years.
You think I am fucking stupid? Ladyboys half my age just falling for me hook, line and sinker?

Two can play this game you know. You seem to act like I get nothing out of the deal?

This was their original house when i first met them. I helped a poor family in Isan, so what.

Hey man, you do whatever you want, I actually don’t care, you’re living how you want, and that’s awesome, but don’t fucking bullshit me about Pattaya. I know what goes on there, and just like you, I’ve participated in it as well. However, it’s the same old story with you guys. You’re there around the same types long enough, you actually start to believe your own bullshit. I didn’t say that you were a bad person, or that you’re stupid, so stop being so offended. And, I stand by my original statement that Pattaya is a fucking shithole run by assholes from Russia and full of old disgusting pricks taking advantage of poor people - I’ve seen it with my own eyes. I don’t ever want to set foot in that place again.

[dassright]

There are some people here who say that there are transgender women all over the place - you just need to get up off the sofa and mingle. Maybe he’s right.

I found my Filipina on one of the dating sites. I don’t think she looks very Asian.

*Useless aside*:

That's because, for all intents and purposes, they aren't Asian. I mean in reality they're a mix of Polynesian/Pacific Islander and Asian but culturally they have little/nothing to do with the cultures of Asia/Southeast Asia and have more in common with us Westerners.

[justvisiting2016]

I have been to that temple ruin you posted! I love the Isan region; small town farming communities are very appealing to me as I get older due to living in the city my whole life.

Buriram FC has a great football stadium if you like football! Chang Arena

[cocacola1984]

The only problem I saw from Rockhearts pics was the fact that he made her put up a Roughriders flag LMAO!

[cocacola1984]

Oh that is my fill of Roughriders apparel for the year. My next Thai GF will have to be decked out in Argos gear!

[F100]

Those ladies make the Rider Wear look pretty good !!

[flamingofarmer]

Are you serious? Every transgender woman has been a prostitute? I know many who work in call centers, hair salons, nurses etc and they have never worked as prostitutes. I agree that probably 50 to 75 percent have done sex work but definitely not all of them.

I know one girl in Cagayan de Oro who is a professional engineer and I assure you she has never done sex work.

It is pretty common for most transexual women to be working in the sex trade. The main reasons are the money is really good and they also know that they're highly desirable to the people who can afford it. I know one trans worker who has been working in Canada and travelled all over the world and is originally from Malaysia and she's made enough money to buy a house in Malaysia pay for a house for her mother and have a condo in Calgary. So there is probably not too many jobs that can afford that kind of Lifestyle other than escorting ...engineering perhaps? Lawyer? That doesn't really mean anything bad if their escorting and I understand if you don't want to pay for it that's your prerogative. I don't like to pay in Canada because I can't afford 350 plus an hour and I am more into romance and fun times with a cherry on top than a fast fuck. I don't feel its worth my money here. That's why I like Thailand. Pay a little, get allot. And its going to the provider and 99% of the time to the family as well. Were talking about 24 hours for 2000 to 3000 baht( about $80 -120 canadian ) . Allot of girls on Thai Friendly are working their dates but many are not as well..some have full time jobs looking to supplement income others don't want your money but love western men ( farang) . Although there are quite a few trans women who have professional jobs mostly in North America in other parts of the world it's not as easy althhough its is posssible and does happen in Asia as well. And if a girl is in transition, or not confident she will cave under the discriminacion. Not an expert on the Philippines for that, but I do I know of a few trans women who work in the call centre industry ...it's pretty common in the Philippines; it's one of the big Industries there. But it is hard for them to find good paying jobs because even though they are somewhat accepted in the Philippines, discrimination is strong(it being a Catholic country) In Thailand there is still some moderate to strong discrimination when it comes to hiring. And even in North America it's one thing for a trans person to slip through the social ladder unknown, however, I would argue that outside of their own personal circles there's a good amount of discrimination when it comes to transexuals mostly because of mass media. In my own area of a small Bc costal costal community I see acceptance of gay people but if someone starts talking about trans then its all a big laugh. Pretty sad actually as its bold face bigotry fueled discrimination. Now in Thailand one thing I noticed is that many of hot trans ( Ladyboys , LBs ) look very non asian and almost westernized. Go on thaifriendly for kicks and look at LBs in Bankok, pattaya and Phuket between 21 and 35 say... many look like they are north American... In the photos i shared below, I have met the second girl there in 2018 in Bangkok ... her name is Knock Out Janet... she is a famous Muay Thai fighter and has a rep for knocking out her opponent..hence the name. She is a hot one . These are a few example of the non asian lookers.