Covid19 vaccine side effects

[PC7]

"This is still not proof of anything and all speculation.
Show me some hard scientific studies."

New Study Highlights New Evidence That Masks Prevent Coronavirus Spread – Health Essentials from Cleveland Clinic
HMS Study Finds Mask-Wearing, Social Distancing Reduce Covid-19 Infections by 87% on College Campuses | News | The Harvard Crimson (thecrimson.com)
New WHO study confirms face masks are effective in reducing COVID-19 spread | CBC News
Mayo Clinic research confirms critical role of masks in preventing COVID-19 infection – Mayo Clinic News Network
Study: mask mandates shown to significantly reduce spread of COVID-19 - SFU News - Simon Fraser University

To balance the argument:

Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial: Annals of Internal Medicine: Vol 0, No 0 (acpjournals.org)

This study is quoted a lot that masks doesn't help protect people from getting Covid. 1.8% masked group got Covid, 2.1% unmasked group got Covid. The difference was not statistically significant.

"It is important to emphasize that this trial did not address the effects of masks as source control or as protection in settings where social distancing and other public health measures are not in effect."

The authors of the study wanted to emphasize that the study DID NOT look at how masks help reduce infecting OTHER people.

Once again, wearing masks is mostly to prevent infecting other people if you have Covid, even if you are asymptomatic.

On another note, Rockheart, I was wondering what you thought Japan and South Korea are doing to keep their Covid cases so low? Both are very densely populated countries. Both are westernized nations. Their hospitals aren't being overwhelmed.

[PC7]

"You know about all the deaths but not all the infections which are likely more than 10 times higher than reported."

If the US had 10 times the number of cases, that would be around 200 million or around 60% of the total population. How are so many Americans still getting infected every day if more than half should be immune? That doesn't make sense.

You are comparing Covid related deaths with flu related deaths. The death certificate would have flu or Covid in the same place. All contributing factors to a death are listed on a certificate. Most flu or Covid deaths would likely include pneumonia as a cause or contributing factor. It would count as both a flu and pneumonia related death.

Covid is not as bad as SARS, MERS, or Ebola, but it is worse than the seasonal flu. 61,000 US deaths in the worse flu season of the last decade. 350,000 US deaths from Covid.

Some countries are doing very well at controlling Covid. The US is not. Canada is not.

[kyliekarma]

I’m not getting the vaccine. I had the flu shot this year thinking it was better to do so, then NB made an announcement there was a batch of 85,000 that were causing adverse health effects.🙄

Plus, my mom actually got guillain barre syndrome when I was 11 and almost died. She was in the hospital for almost a year and she was intubated, she couldn’t move, couldn’t talk, she had to learn to do everything over again, she had to have surgery to cover the hole in her throat.

They told her vaccines (especially flu shot) can cause it. The vaccine industry can’t be sued, that to me, tells me they have no way to prove that it is safe for everyone.

I go for IV therapy weekly to get vitamins and antioxidants to help my body and immune system naturally. I’d rather let my immune system handle it on its own if I happen to get it than trust the vaccine.

They've gone too far! I just went to the pharmacy, two of them actually, and they wouldn't let me buy makeup! How the hell is hair dye in the essential products list but not makeup!!! I feel like throwing molotov cocktails on cop cars and fucking looting stuff

WOW!!!! no make up?! That is strange! Maybe you can order online? Amazon? Sephora?

[PC7]

"Japan is an island and South Korea is essentially an island too, so much easier than continental locations."
The UK is an island too. Aruba is an island but about 5% of the population got Covid. (5,532 / 106,996)

"Japan has had some severe lockdowns and has had record suicide rates."
Japan did not have a strict lockdown. Their suicide rate is up though.
"Notably, the sudden increase in suicides at the end of Japan’s state of emergency came despite the fact that the Japanese government did not introduce strict lockdown measures or movement restrictions." quoted from Opinion | Japan’s jump in suicides is another health crisis. Women and students are at the heart of it. - The Washington Post. It's complicated.

"Japan and Korea may have a younger population perhaps."
Japan has the 2nd oldest median age, South Korea is 36th. The US is 61. UK is 50. India is 138. Brazil is 86.List of countries by median age - Wikipedia

"Again mask mandates always go in place near peaks and it often will go down naturally."
Czech Republic is bringing back the face mask mandate that saved it from coronavirus in the spring. But is it too late? - CNN
Czechia had a 'peak' in late March of 408 cases in one day. They put in a mask mandate early in mid March along with other restrictions and effectively avoided a significant outbreak in spring. They eased restrictions and lifted the mask mandate during the summer. They are in a fall/winter outbreak.

I don't understand your argument about mortality. You have argued that Covid is no more lethal than the flu and that the Covid mortality rate (deaths / total cases) is inflated because the real 'total cases' may be 10 times the reported number. Flu mortality is generally accepted to be 0.1%. IF Covid mortality is the same, then 350,000 deaths in the US would suggest 350,000,000 people would have had Covid, (350,000 / 350,000,000 = 0.001 = 0.01%). The US has 332 million people. The US should have natural herd immunity by now if that were true. You also argue that people can be re-infected with Covid which I think is true but relatively rare since there are not a lot of reports by people saying they had Covid more than once. IF you are arguing that the same person having multiple positive tests count as multiple cases, then the real number of cases is lower and the actual mortality is higher.
I also don't understand the relevance of you having the flu 3 times in one year. How does that affect the mortality RATE? People obviously have the flu more than once but each time they get it, the mortality is still 0.1%. Think of Russian roulette, every time you pull the trigger, there is 1/6 chance you die. No matter how many times you survive, the next round has a 1/6 chance you die. Once you die, you no longer pull the trigger and can not affect the mortality rate. Or are you arguing that since you had the flu 3 times in one year that there is no natural herd immunity from Covid either?

[ladyluv]

Are any of you that cry wolf medical experts? Do any of you have a degree in the sciences? Or deal with this kind of stuff? If not, then your opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. A lot of armchair quarterbacks that seem to know more than experts. Smh. See conspiracies where there are none. That is the tiring part in all of this.

thank you.

[PC7]

Your arguments that lockdowns are worse than Covid have merit. Lockdowns may be worse than Covid, depending on how widespread Covid is.
I would agree that the lockdown in spring was excessive. Now that Covid is so widespread and hospitals ICU's are full Covid may be worse than lockdowns.
When ICU's are full, there is no room for heart attacks, MVAs, major cancer surgeries, any other critical disease and overall mortality will go up.
The key I believe is to avoid widespread Covid by wearing masks, washing hands, avoiding large gatherings (especially indoors), and physical distancing when possible.
Covid is worse than the flu. Lockdowns may be worse than Covid. They are not mutually exclusive.

[floramelis]

"Theresa Tam needs hair colouring but not makeup.
No amount of makeup will help her".

I tried so hard not to laugh, because after all who am I to laugh at people's looks, but that was good one 🤣 I think masks are actually a good look for some ppl.

[floramelis]

WOW!!!! no make up?! That is strange! Maybe you can order online? Amazon? Sephora?

I know, it's crazy, no makeup, must be the end of times. I'll try to order online but it's kind of a hassle because it's just for like a 10$ thing and i dont have a credit card so i buy prepaid , so with the activation fee and then plus shipping it might cost more than the actual product. I definitely won't order from sephora though since i found out they knowingly sell mink eyelashes.