Barack Obama

[tslisaparadise]

Congrats to Barack Obama,,, that speach he made tonight was one of the best ive heard in decades,he reminds me so much of my hero JFK who had the courage and strenth to lead a nation of prejudism to pride and corruption to patriotism. I am so proud of my fellow Americans tonight and with your help you ll elect the very first african american president in U.S. history and will hopefully heal and restore respect through out the rest of the world.So thank you Barack Obama for restoring my faith in your country.

[0ver387]

He is bordering on African American.
Obama is actually half Irish American & half African American.
He was born in Hawaii.
So he is more like a plain old american, Just a guy.

Now, a woman in the Whitehouse is whole other thing.

[tslisaparadise]

He is bordering on African American.
Obama is actually half Irish American & half African American.
He was born in Hawaii.
So he is more like a plain old american, Just a guy.

Now, a woman in the Whitehouse is whole other thing.

he is as black as the ace of spades buddy and hes far from a plain old american.... as far as a woman in the white house hillery had her chance but got beat by an afro american period.

[spiker]

he is as black as the ace of spades buddy and hes far from a plain old american.... as far as a woman in the white house hillery had her chance but got beat by an afro american period.

actually, Hillary was beat by the American media who love a romantic "JFKesque" story.

Obama may be the man, however IMO not now. his election to the Presidency could be the WORST outcome this November. The United States is in a state of peril both at home and abroad. They are fighting a war on two fronts with no realistic means or time frame to end it. The economy is in serious trouble beyond the housing and sub prime credit crises.

Obama has no foreign policy experience. Obama has no national domestic policy experience. Obama may preach "change" and look good on stage, but the US desperately needs a leader with experience and the fortitude to make tough decisions which while unpopular in the short term will be best for that nations future generations.

I have watched Obama all the way through this. the hype started after a stirring speech at the last DNC. The problem is, yes he can speak, yes he can inspire bu the man is too politically inexperienced to clean up the current mess.

Obama may be the man, but not today.

[Ray]

I voted for Hillary in the primaries and still think she would make a better president than Obama, BUT, that being said, I have no problem with Barack. If he surrounds himself with smart people, like Bill Clinton did, he will be so much better than Bush, or McBush, that there would be no comparison.

Lisa, are you an American living in Canada, or do you consider yourself American because you live in North America?

[capitus]

As a Canadian I can't vote for either. I have no influence on the upcoming US election. I only care about the ultimate winner's (president) affect on Canadian issues (economic, foreign affairs, etc.). I think it is easy to get caught up in the cult-of-personality juggernaut that is the US. When Mr. Obama or Ms. Clinton talk of change they don't mean the GST or Candian Health Care...

Although Republican governments are inherently distastful to many Canadians (Bush played a major role in this), we should consider the ramifications on Canada for either a Dem or Rep government.
Historically, Republican US governments tend to be more open to Canadian trade and Canada has generally faired better economically under Republican governments (primarily due to decreased trade barriers). Democratic governments tend to be more isolationist and protectionist (as well as being traditional war-time governments).

My $.02 CDN/ $.0199 USD

[tslisaparadise]

actually, Hillary was beat by the American media who love a romantic "JFKesque" story.

Obama may be the man, however IMO not now. his election to the Presidency could be the WORST outcome this November. The United States is in a state of peril both at home and abroad. They are fighting a war on two fronts with no realistic means or time frame to end it. The economy is in serious trouble beyond the housing and sub prime credit crises.

Obama has no foreign policy experience. Obama has no national domestic policy experience. Obama may preach "change" and look good on stage, but the US desperately needs a leader with experience and the fortitude to make tough decisions which while unpopular in the short term will be best for that nations future generations.

I have watched Obama all the way through this. the hype started after a stirring speech at the last DNC. The problem is, yes he can speak, yes he can inspire bu the man is too politically inexperienced to clean up the current mess.

Obama may be the man, but not today.

oh so you think john macain is the best fit cause he has the experience? come on the US presidency has had its share of people who couldnt lead a boy scout run let alone a nation aka teddy roosevelt,both bushes ronald reagan richard nixon etc so dont gimmie that experience factor crap cause we both know yioud lose that arguement lol

[tslisaparadise]

I voted for Hillary in the primaries and still think she would make a better president than Obama, BUT, that being said, I have no problem with Barack. If he surrounds himself with smart people, like Bill Clinton did, he will be so much better than Bush, or McBush, that there would be no comparison.

Lisa, are you an American living in Canada, or do you consider yourself American because you live in North America?

oh god no i am canadain through and though and am smart enough to know i live in the greatest country in the world second to none but i read where you might have thought i was an american i forgot to add my fellow american friends so sorry about that. i studied american poiltics for over 20 years,its a passion of mine,even as a young child growing up in the 60s it was all the talk around the kitchen table every night from jfk to rfk to martin luther king etc.i remember growing up always wanting to be an american and it saddens me to look at how shamefull the world looks apon the U.S. thanks in part to both George Bush SR and JR.I guess its more important for the U.S. to be looked apon as more of a super power and a bully rather then the land of the free and the home of the brave.

[0ver387]

he is as black as the ace of spades buddy and hes far from a plain old american.... as far as a woman in the white house hillery had her chance but got beat by an afro american period.

I did not say he was a plain old american.
I said he is not necessarily african american but that he is just an American. People are making far too much about his heritage. His father is also a muslim, is that good or bad?

Why do people not call him Irish-American?
He is half african and half irish, so why pick the African to promote.
He was not a slave, he was not part of the struggle either.
He was born and raised in Hawaii.

Furthermore Black and African are not the same thing.
Black is a colour, African is a heritage and a continent.
White people come from Africa too.

Obama is a light Mocha colour, he is not "Black as a Spade". (Many find this term derogatory by the way)
He is half caucasian.

My point was that a man being president, no matter the colour is not as much of a change as if a woman becomes president.

I'm 1/4 african but I look completely white, should I go out and try and be the first African-Canadian Prime Minister.

People are too hung up on race these days, it is old news. Gender is the real diffence between people.

There is a much larger difference between the way men and women think and behave than there will ever be between two men with different coloured skin.

That why I said, that a woman president would really be something new and exciting compared to "just another man". He is a great man, but just a man no matter his appearance.

Obama is an American Man period.

[tslisaparadise]

I did not say he was a plain old american.
I said he is not necessarily african american but that he is just an American. People are making far too much about his heritage. His father is also a muslim, is that good or bad?

Why do people not call him Irish-American?
He is half african and half irish, so why pick the African to promote.
He was not a slave, he was not part of the struggle either.
He was born and raised in Hawaii.

Furthermore Black and African are not the same thing.
Black is a colour, African is a heritage and a continent.
White people come from Africa too.

Obama is a light Mocha colour, he is not "Black as a Spade". (Many find this term derogatory by the way)
He is half caucasian.

My point was that a man being president, no matter the colour is not as much of a change as if a woman becomes president.

I'm 1/4 african but I look completely white, should I go out and try and be the first African-Canadian Prime Minister.

People are too hung up on race these days, it is old news. Gender is the real diffence between people.

There is a much larger difference between the way men and women think and behave than there will ever be between two men with different coloured skin.

That why I said, that a woman president would really be something new and exciting compared to "just another man". He is a great man, but just a man no matter his appearance.

Obama is an American Man period.

his father left him when he was 2 years old and does he look irish to you? http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp i accept your point in gender but one step at a time,this is for all intensive purposes a historic event especially in a country where racism was born and bread so dont minumize history and certainly dont dicount the Barack Obama movement and ps.i hope we have this discussion 4 years from now im sure it will be one hell of a discussion.

[prettyboy]

Do you really think that Hiliary winning would usher in a kinder gentler world?
She has a bigger set of balls than Bill and George W combined.
Did Maggie Thatcher bring gentle female nurturing to the job of Prime Minister? No , she was a ruthless cunt.

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Even if Obama is only 'off-white', to racialist USA that is coloured,
and that is far more significant than his sex. We as Canadians are
somewhat sheltered from the inherent racial prejudice that still exists in a vast number of Americans. Equality laws and political correctness have merely driven it deeper underground.

The USA is already well down the slippery slope of decline, they have lost the plot in so many ways, it is difficult to find a positive thing to say about them. The 'land of the free' rhetoric is a f@cking joke, they have mortgaged their collective soul to the Saudis and the Chinese. Superficial 'spin' is their key export, the rest of the world hates them and their arrogance .
They sure do need to change something. Obama has the JFK thing going for him. After 8 years of being led by a 'frying pan' here is someone who has the charisma to motivate and unite his people.
Whether he is just an image of a potentially great leader or truly someone who can bring about the massive shift of consciousness required is unknown, but what is known is that Clinton and McCain will continue down the road that is now that slippery slope.

Sad thing is if Obama does win in November and manages to instigate some real change, how long before some right wing nutjob blows his head off?

[0ver387]

his father left him when he was 2 years old and does he look irish to you? http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp i accept your point in gender but one step at a time,this is for all intensive purposes a historic event especially in a country where racism was born and bread so dont minumize history and certainly dont dicount the Barack Obama movement and ps.i hope we have this discussion 4 years from now im sure it will be one hell of a discussion.

Well, his father was the one who was african.
So if he was raised by his irish mother exclusively, then that makes him more Irish than I thought.

Yes he does look Irish, he also looks American.
Black and/or brown people come from many places besides Africa.
Saying an Irish man cannot be black or brown or whatever is racist in itself. So if he was white and redheaded but from Africa. Does that mean that he cannot be called african american?

As I said before, Obama is an American pure and simple.
He himself said he is not running as a Black candidate.

I think a black president would have been significant 40-50 years ago.
Now days he's just another man, who has never lived in a Black slum or anything else that people identify with downtrodden African-Americans.
He was never a slave nor were any of his ancestors.

Hillary may have more balls than most men but she is still a woman.
Women are entirely different than a man and would naturally behave different than a man.

I think a woman becoming leader of the world super power would be one of the most signifcant events in all of history.

Many, many black/brown/African men have held the leadership of many nations and countries. Very few women of any kind have held these types of roles ever in the history of the world.
Specifically a woman who was voted in by a democratic process rather than becoming the default leader by bloodline (ie The Queen)

[tslisaparadise]

Well, his father was the one who was african.
So if he was raised by his irish mother exclusively, then that makes him more Irish than I thought.

Yes he does look Irish, he also looks American.
Black and/or brown people come from many places besides Africa.
Saying an Irish man cannot be black or brown or whatever is racist in itself. So if he was white and redheaded but from Africa. Does that mean that he cannot be called african american?

As I said before, Obama is an American pure and simple.
He himself said he is not running as a Black candidate.

I think a black president would have been significant 40-50 years ago.
Now days he's just another man, who has never lived in a Black slum or anything else that people identify with downtrodden African-Americans.
He was never a slave nor were any of his ancestors.

Hillary may have more balls than most men but she is still a woman.
Women are entirely different than a man and would naturally behave different than a man.

I think a woman becoming leader of the world super power would be one of the most signifcant events in all of history.

Many, many black/brown/African men have held the leadership of many nations and countries. Very few women of any kind have held these types of roles ever in the history of the world.
Specifically a woman who was voted in by a democratic process rather than becoming the default leader by bloodline (ie The Queen)

i can tell your very smart and make great sence and i agree with you but im just glad it was obama thats all.i dont wanna rehash over and over about who would make better history a black man or a woman,im sure in 8 years hillary will be able to run after obamas 2nd term lol.hahahaha

[prettyboy]

Well, his father was the one who was african.
So if he was raised by his irish mother exclusively, then that makes him more Irish than I thought.

Yes he does look Irish, he also looks American.
Black and/or brown people come from many places besides Africa.
Saying an Irish man cannot be black or brown or whatever is racist in itself. So if he was white and redheaded but from Africa. Does that mean that he cannot be called african american?

As I said before, Obama is an American pure and simple.
He himself said he is not running as a Black candidate.

I think a black president would have been significant 40-50 years ago.
Now days he's just another man, who has never lived in a Black slum or anything else that people identify with downtrodden African-Americans.
He was never a slave nor were any of his ancestors.

Hillary may have more balls than most men but she is still a woman.
Women are entirely different than a man and would naturally behave different than a man.

I think a woman becoming leader of the world super power would be one of the most signifcant events in all of history.

Many, many black/brown/African men have held the leadership of many nations and countries. Very few women of any kind have held these types of roles ever in the history of the world.
Specifically a woman who was voted in by a democratic process rather than becoming the default leader by bloodline (ie The Queen)

Maggie Thatcher
Golda Meir
Indira Gandhi
Benazir Bhutto
Joan of Arc
Kim Campbell [ just kidding]
Angela Merkel

The rest of the world is years ahead of you hess ay

[0ver387]

Maggie Thatcher
Golda Meir
Indira Gandhi
Benazir Bhutto
Joan of Arc
Kim Campbell [ just kidding]
Angela Merkel

The rest of the world is years ahead of you hess ay

There have been woman heads of state before but Joan of Arc?
You forgot Oprah......

Those like Maggie Thatcher were not in charge of a super power. Britain was once the world super power so I guess Elizabeth I, although royalty, was a woman that was essentially in charge of such a country.

Probably the best examples in history might be the Queen of Spain or maybe Cleopatra.

Regardless, I agree Obama is probably good for the US.