how come every tgirls an escort???

[blkhung]

how come every tgirls an escort??
its so hard to find a hot tgirl that just wants to fuck without involving money
im a str8 hung attractive blk man...what gives
i need me some hot sexxy tgirls to play with
help me with my fantasies and reply back..
my cock is always hard and il fuck you like no other

[JAY_SAUGA]

sing up for www.gay.com i know for sure theres atleast 5 hott shemales in toronto that are not escorts and alot of not soo hott ones lol

[tslisaparadise]

MONEY

[Locomotion]

money

MONEY

You would need to put yourself in a tg person's shoes ... imagine trying to make money in the corporate world with a regular job when you are transitioning into a different sex. The politics, office gossip and prejudices. I just couldn't imagine what you ladies would go through and I wouldn't be able to handle it myself if I was transitioning ... so I really don't blame any of you one bit. Also, nothing beats living off of your own business! I began doing it years ago and have never looked back.

[Amethyst Dark]

escorting

A gg escort & friend of mine once told me "It's OK, it's not like people escort *because* they're rich!"

A person can have debts out the yin-yang and this is one way to get that covered; as well as the *enormous* costs that can be attributed to TSing!

[BlueJack]

from my experience

Lots of ts girls will have sex for free
even the ones that escort

but theres about 500 guys asking them

If you try and make a concentrated effort it can be done
but its alot easier to just pay them, do what you want to do, when you want to do, and everyone is happy.

and why do they escort?
to make money
being a girls expensive, make up, hair, clothes, fake tits, facial surgeries, all that good stuff...

[Foxy Basket]

The blatantly obvious - part 1

Such a multi-layered question - I'm actually writing an undergrad thesis on the positive benefits of sex work for transsexual women, and this is what I've learned so far. I'd love to hear other opinions on the matter, from girls that have been doing this longer than I have.

As Lisa said:

MONEY

It's actually very simple - the sex industry is the only one where being trans actually provides you with a competitive advantage. In every other industry, we're tokens of diversity policies, and to get a decent job, you either have to be overqualified (just like most other minorities) or you have to attain that position before you start your transition. To get any sort of management position, trans or otherwise, you still have to wait until you have both qualifications and experience - meaning, you usually have to be rather old when you start.

In the sex industry, the sheer lack of supply and ever-increasing demand means there will always be room for new t-girl sex workers. The money is very good, and it's easy to get started. Let's look at this not from an individual perspective, but from a statistical one:

Approximately 1 of every 10,000 people is a transsexual woman. Out of these people, not everyone is capable of entering this industry; there could be physical or age-related limitations, emotional or psychological reasons why they won't do it, and additional factors such as where they live or who they live with. So, let's assume that one in every three transsexual women can work in this industry - one in every 30,000 people.

Compare that to the demand - the 50% of the population that is male. Obviously, not every man is interested in being with a transsexual, but more and more men are exploring this interest every day. I can't give you an exact estimate, but let's put in perspective nonetheless:

For every 1% of the male population interested in a transsexual, there is a 300 to 1 ratio of buyers to sellers.

Extrapolate that to 10%, or 25%, or even 50%, and you're dealing with huge numbers here. It's really a no-brainer for anyone able to handle the psychological and social implications - obviously, not everyone can do it, but those that do can be very, very successful. Why do you think that so many non-passable, unattractive t-girls end up doing this to make ends meet? It's the only industry where we actually can make ends meet, and pay the enormous costs of transition.

That's also simultaneously the reason that a) there are so many "cross-dressers" (for lack of a better word) and non-full-time t-girls in the industry, and b) the reason that full-timers and professionals feel such disdain for them. It's a competitive industry, no question, and it's true that there are some "imposters" that do it purely for the money (not as many as we might think, but they do exist). How many fights on this very forum degenerate into an argument about who is actually what? It's a lucrative industry, which attracts the so-called imposters, but it's also the only industry that's truly "ours" (again, for lack of a better word) and many service providers don't like others cutting in on our turf.

(end part 1)

[Foxy Basket]

The not-so-blatantly obvious - part 2

There's another factor that people seem to have overlooked. This one comes from a sociological perspective, and deals with stigmatization.

When you come out as a transsexual woman, you basically remove yourself from a position of privilege (male) and place yourself in a position of second- or third-class citizen. Even the most passable transsexual is still regarded "only" as a woman - i.e, still lacking certain opportunities that we had as males. The vast majority of us - non-passing transsexuals - find oursel ves near the bottom of the social ladder, regarded (wrongly) by many as the dregs of society. Not far from homosexuals, drug addicts, homeless people, illegal immigrants, and of course, prostitutes. So, it's not a huge "drop" to that rung of the social ladder.

Not only that, but those who "associate" with the bottom rung - namely, the men that are interested in us - are also concerned about being stigmatized. It's still considered taboo for men to be with a transsexual, and they're not going to give us any hope of a long-term, emotionally- and financially-supportive relationship.

As Paco so ineloquently stated in a previous post:

I don't want to know shemales outside of a business arrangement that lasts either .5 hrs or 1 hr. We don't know each other from fucking Adam on the street/club/whatever as far as i'm concerned.

Most people in the straight world view Transgendered with either scorn or as freak monstrosities and i wouldn't want to become associated with their ilk.

Certainly not the nicest way of stating his position, but it's very accurate as to how most men regard transsexuals outside the bedroom. Many men would love to fuck a shemale, but very few would actually consider a relationship with one, unless she's so passable that he can tell everyone she's a genetic girl.

So blkhung, to answer your question, if you want to hook up with me outside of a financial transaction, are you willing to:

- Introduce me to your parents? Best friends? Boss and co-workers?
- Tell everone that I'm a transsexual escort, and that you're really happy to be dating a t-girl?
- Tell everyone how proud you are that I'm a political activist, and writer of a trans-focused column?
- Take me to dinner in the fanciest restaurant in town, and smile through the stares and dirty looks from Toronto's social elite?
- Tell people the TRUE story about how we met - that you saw my ad in the Shemale Canada Escort section, and sent me a picture of your cock?

Or do you just want me to be your little fucktoy that you hide from everyone else?

I think I've made my point. I love spending time with men who are engaging and respectful, and I love being in this industry, but I'm not wearing any rose-coloured glasses. It's a mutually-beneficial relationship, and we can both gain from it - I meet interesting people, finish my graduate degree, and avoid the crushing debt of student loans; they fulfill a fantasy, or enjoy a wonderful experience, with someone they probably would never meet in a social situation.

There are limits to our invol vement that shouldn't be ignored, and anyone that thinks they're somehow "above" paying for sex (especially that smlvr idiot from other posts) should re-examine their position, and ask themsel ves if they can answer "yes" to all of those questions above. If not, bite the bullet, offer the donation, and make the girl feel respected and valued.

/rant

[snoodle]

You make some excellent points Nikki.

Paco really said that. What an asshole !

[flight09]

There's another factor that people seem to have overlooked. This one comes from a sociological perspective, and deals with stigmatization.

When you come out as a transsexual woman, you basically remove yourself from a position of privilege (male) and place yourself in a position of second- or third-class citizen. Even the most passable transsexual is still regarded "only" as a woman - i.e, still lacking certain opportunities that we had as males. The vast majority of us - non-passing transsexuals - find oursel ves near the bottom of the social ladder, regarded (wrongly) by many as the dregs of society. Not far from homosexuals, drug addicts, homeless people, illegal immigrants, and of course, prostitutes. So, it's not a huge "drop" to that rung of the social ladder.

Not only that, but those who "associate" with the bottom rung - namely, the men that are interested in us - are also concerned about being stigmatized. It's still considered taboo for men to be with a transsexual, and they're not going to give us any hope of a long-term, emotionally- and financially-supportive relationship.

As Paco so ineloquently stated in a previous post:
Certainly not the nicest way of stating his position, but it's very accurate as to how most men regard transsexuals outside the bedroom. Many men would love to fuck a shemale, but very few would actually consider a relationship with one, unless she's so passable that he can tell everyone she's a genetic girl.

So blkhung, to answer your question, if you want to hook up with me outside of a financial transaction, are you willing to:

- Introduce me to your parents? Best friends? Boss and co-workers?
- Tell everone that I'm a transsexual escort, and that you're really happy to be dating a t-girl?
- Tell everyone how proud you are that I'm a political activist, and writer of a trans-focused column?
- Take me to dinner in the fanciest restaurant in town, and smile through the stares and dirty looks from Toronto's social elite?
- Tell people the TRUE story about how we met - that you saw my ad in the Shemale Canada Escort section, and sent me a picture of your cock?

Or do you just want me to be your little fucktoy that you hide from everyone else?

I think I've made my point. I love spending time with men who are engaging and respectful, and I love being in this industry, but I'm not wearing any rose-coloured glasses. It's a mutually-beneficial relationship, and we can both gain from it - I meet interesting people, finish my graduate degree, and avoid the crushing debt of student loans; they fulfill a fantasy, or enjoy a wonderful experience, with someone they probably would never meet in a social situation.

There are limits to our invol vement that shouldn't be ignored, and anyone that thinks they're somehow "above" paying for sex (especially that smlvr idiot from other posts) should re-examine their position, and ask themsel ves if they can answer "yes" to all of those questions above. If not, bite the bullet, offer the donation, and make the girl feel respected and valued.

/rant

What Nikki said is so true.
T-girls are sexy. I love them, but really it is lust for them.
I am not in a point in my life where I could tell my family, or introduce a transsexual girlfriend to my family, and even if I could I could say, oh by the way she is an escort. I do have a lot of respects for T-girls. They are brave to go out and be what they want to be, and express themselves. That can not be easy in this society.
I have no problem with transexxuals being escorts, just that they charge by the hour. lol
I am kind of shy, so it is nice to chill and get comfortable and cosy for awhile.
Like I said I lust for T-girls, but in the future I still want have a GGfriend and have some babies.
That is how I think. Maybe that is messed up.

[Paco]

I conclude that TGirl Nikki is smart and has a very quantitative and logical mind.

She is worthy of my attention.

Carry on.

[Paco]

"Such a multi-layered question - I'm actually writing an undergrad thesis on the positive benefits of sex work for transsexual women,"

You are very intelligent. Have you read Bailey's "The Man who would be Queen?" and what did you think of it? Have you read the Pathogenic Hypothesis of Homosexuality? It makes the most sense to me (having a quantitative and logical mind).

[Paco]

Nikki, are you majoring in Economics?

" but very few would actually consider a relationship with one,"

Not true. I would gladly love to have a relationship with a Tgirl if only my family and friends and society would not so negatively look down on the arrangement.

There is one TS currently and one formerly that i very much pined to have a relationship with (both TS from Singapore for some reason) and would seriously weigh the Cost/Benefit analysis.

I'm so drunk now i have to crash. The room is spinning.

Talk about this later Nikki as she has the analytic ability to converse with.

[Foxy Basket]

Paco

To answer your questions:

I already have a B.A. in Political Science, and I took several Economics courses, but finished one credit short of a minor. I found them interesting, but a minor would have required an extra year of school entirely, which wasn't worth it.

My current studies are towards a second major in Sexual Diversity Studies. I have one year left on this degree, then I'm going to grad school for Counselling Psychology. My goal is to become a counsellor specializing in transition assistance for others in the trans community - basically, provide the services that I wish I had been able to access ten years ago.

I haven't yet read Bailey's book, but I've come across the concept of autogynephilia in several other contexts. Ray Blanchard works at CAMH, and is a big reason why I'll never set foot in their gender clinic. I think the idea of autogynephilia is very short-sighted and reduces one's internal gender conflicts into a simple question of sexuality - and the vast sexual tastes and interests displayed by people who also identify as trans proves that the theory doesn't provide a full explanation.

I'm aware of several theories linking homosexuality to genetic makeup, but a lot of the experiments failed to provide proper controls for certain confounding variables. One recent one, published by Time magazine, states that there are certain similarities in the gay male and straight female brain.

One of those brain structures is the amygdala, which is also responsible for activating our threat-detection system. This part of the brain doesn't mature until our mid-20's, and if you look at it from a sociological perspective, women and gay men have a higher need for enhanced threat-detections skills in our homophobic and misogynistic society. Therefore, the similarities may not be genetic at all, but a result of the brain's post-pubescent development.

http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...815538,00.html

There are also a number of evolutionary theories for homosexuality and transsexuality, both of which exist in nature as well. There are documented cases of homosexuality in all higher-order mammals, and there are many theories that it increases and improves social bonding. Interestingly, many homosexual acts are performed by creatures who still mate with members of the opposite sex, and have children, which flies in the face of "gay germ" theory and supports social evolutionary theory. Dolphins and chimpanzees, thought to be the most intelligent non-human creatures, are well-known for their sexual variety. But they don't have "sexual identites" the way that we do; read Richard von Krafft-Ebing's "Psychopathia Sexualis" as well as Michel Foucault's "The History of Sexuality" and David Halperin's response, "Is There a History of Sexuality?" to find out how and why the concept of a "homosexual person" was created - interestingly, the concept is very recent, barely 130 years old.

To your last point, while you may have considered a relationship, you still rejected the idea based on social mores rather than your own feelings. Society used to shun gay relationships too, but has gradually become more accepting of them, because of the pioneers that rejected those mores and found relationships that made them happy. Remember that, as hard as it might be for you to admit a relationship with a TS, it can't be nearly as hard as it was for her to transition in the first place. Which of you is fighting the tougher battle for acceptance?

I'm not faulting you for your choice, as I recognize your reasons and respect you for doing what's best for you. But nothing ever changes unless people fight for those changes, and do what's right for them. Pioneers get the arrows, while settlers get the land; if we ever want TS relationships to be accepted, we need people that are willing to take a few arrows, and refuse to settle.



Oh, and before anyone asks, I'm already taken.

[Lani]

Agree on both deliberation

Agree on part 1

Agree on part 2

Top notch deliberies on both!!!

I just love intelligent people.

NIKKI, I wish I have even a portion of your brain.