how come every tgirls an escort???

[Lani]

This ones the best quote's

To your last point, while you may have considered a relationship, you still rejected the idea based on social mores rather than your own feelings. Society used to shun gay relationships too, but has gradually become more accepting of them, because of the pioneers that rejected those mores and found relationships that made them happy. Remember that, as hard as it might be for you to admit a relationship with a TS, it can't be nearly as hard as it was for her to transition in the first place. Which of you is fighting the tougher battle for acceptance?

I'm not faulting you for your choice, as I recognize your reasons and respect you for doing what's best for you. But nothing ever changes unless people fight for those changes, and do what's right for them. Pioneers get the arrows, while settlers get the land; if we ever want TS relationships to be accepted, we need people that are willing to take a few arrows, and refuse to settle.



Oh, and before anyone asks, I'm already taken.

Again I'll repeat; I looooooove! intelligent people. Yes! banged those guys for their wallet and 'love' those who has brains. Though I would prefer both lol! (that's why I still love that member here named 'PACO' despite of his sometimes confusing 'to love or not to love' affair with our ilk.

[Amethyst Dark]

Hometown

Nikki is soooo right about this! I have done my entire (1 yr. dressing) transition out of a homeless shelter and worked as a night auditor/convenience sales person for a busy hotel/bar in the worst part of what I consider to be my hometown. I was born here, after all

Calgary is on the cutting edge of technology for Western Canada, but they are very far behind on exposing many of the pitfalls Transsexualism. The Criminal Code of Canada protects gays/lesbians, people by race, creed or religion; but *not* transsexuals. Information on "the right path" was not visibly available and only after my transition did I find the Dr for the province who covers the psychiatry of DSM IV ... + and Gender Identity Disorder.

I'm a tough chicky so my transition has been my way of saying we're here, we're not freaks; this is a condition caused sometime in utero Dr.s believe (I kinda believe it too). I have had some priceless moments due to my choices, scary ones too due to the redneck/ignorant nature of many people who don't understand nor wish too! I had a bf who introduced my to his mother for easter; his friends and roommate then met me.... In the span of two days of meeting me, (we were straightforward about ... things after the roommate met me), the roommate moved out! Eventually begging to move back in because "we are so cool and down-to-earth man!" We decided against him moving back in for other reasons, but sheesh, even for that reason he shouldn't move back in. Two friends of my bf cut all ties after the six month period. The bf's mother still thinks I am a street creature!

I can work in any hotel or public relations endeavor but I chose escorting because #1, I said I would do it one day (for the experience ) and #2 because it is pretty much the only way to deal with lust vs love confusion from guys, and #3 because it *is* pretty much the only way to make ends meet.

The psychiatrist for alberta believes the totals given by the HBISOC association/society/?? are too low; he sees more along the lines of one in *10,000* people who are transsexual! There are 6,677,563,921 people in the world as of 2008, and 3,361,406,136 of them are male. If one in ten thousand is TS, then there are approximately 336,140 TS who are not yet of female status in 2008. Of those TS, as Nikki pointed out, few can be an escort for whatever reason - 5% of Calgary's population of TS are escorts. If that was the norm, then there are 16,807 TS escorts in 2008. If half the male population of men are *lusty* for TS; then that is a ratio (with my net-pseudo-statistics) of 16,807 : 1,680,703,068!

*- that is *over* roughly 100,000 lusty men to every TS escort -*

The only other thing I'd like to say is that Nikki has the best of both worlds literally; great mind and ~~smokin'~~ bod! Congrats!!!

[Lani]

Wow!

100,000 lusty men to every TS escort?

No wonder I never came home empty handed after every visit in the club... LOL!

[Admin]

Again I'll repeat; I looooooove! intelligent people. Yes! banged those guys for their wallet and 'love' those who has brains. Though I would prefer both lol! (that's why I still love that member here named 'PACO' despite of his sometimes confusing 'to love or not to love' affair with our ilk.

That's such a womanly thing to say.....

1. Idealistically you want a smart guy,
2. Practically you need a rich guy,
3. Realistically you want a good looking sexy guy.
4. Ideally all of the above.

Unfortunately I think number 3 wins out most of the time.
You may enjoy the company of the smart and rich guys but,
you Crave the company of the good looking sexy guy.

[tslisaparadise]

That's such a womanly thing to say.....

1. Idealistically you want a smart guy,
2. Practically you need a rich guy,
3. Realistically you want a good looking sexy guy.
4. Ideally all of the above.

Unfortunately I think number 3 wins out most of the time.
You may enjoy the company of the smart and rich guys but,
you Crave the company of the good looking sexy guy.

what r u smokin lol number 2 out ranks the rest by a mile and imnot just whistlin dixie here damn it

[Amethyst Dark]

... whatcha want, but if you try sometimes, ...

I crave intelligence. Sexiness comes in a close second and as my bf's cheque can attest to, I don't really care how much my other half makes, I am waaaay too independant to *need* someone else to "increase the quality of my life"!

Farm grrls like me are just too down-to-earth sometimes for our own good.

oops! And I want a guy who will crave my tits, pussy *and* ass. I am horny often, even if I may not "get it up" and I doubt that'll change when I get .... "the flip", my outie turned into an innie, finish the trade of testicles for breast-icles, my vagina, my "flower".

[Lani]

#4

That's such a womanly thing to say.....

1. Idealistically you want a smart guy,
2. Practically you need a rich guy,
3. Realistically you want a good looking sexy guy.
4. Ideally all of the above.

Unfortunately I think number 3 wins out most of the time.
You may enjoy the company of the smart and rich guys but,
you Crave the company of the good looking sexy guy.

I'll take number 4 Please!!!!!

[Paco]

"There are documented cases of homosexuality in all higher-order mammals, and there are many theories that it increases and improves social bonding. Interestingly, many homosexual acts are performed by creatures who still mate with members of the opposite sex, and have children, which flies in the face of "gay germ" theory and supports social evolutionary theory."

Human Male Exclusive Preferential homosexuality is unique. Only other animal where something similar occurs in is Sheep.

Humans and sheep have be around each other since the humans adopted an agrarian lifestyle around 5k - 10k years ago.

In some herds, 6% of Rams have a preference for other rams.

Breeding experiments with Rams show low heritability rates of homosexuality.

Identical male twins are discordant for homosexuality. One study that was shown to have a high concordance of homosexuality was done by Bailey and was flawed. His follow up study to address the flaws of the previous study shows that identical twins are discordant for male Exclusive Preferential homosexuality.

"many theories that it increases and improves social bonding. "

Homosexual men have fewer offspring than non-Homosexual men, and by a very large margin.

It would only make evolutionary sense if there was some sort of reproductive fitness increase in his siblings to at least match the number of offspring he would have had had he been heterosexual. It would actually have to be higher for his siblings because if the siblings increase in fecundity matched the number of what the homosexual man would have had if her were straight.........well.......seems like an awful lot of work for natural selection to go to when he just could have been straight and reproduced.

A homosexual man would have to double the number of offspring his siblings have in order for his genes to be passed on if say on average people had 3 children (since he shares half of his genes with his siblings, and one quarter with his nieces and nephews).

That is not happening.

[smlvr]

There's another factor that people seem to have overlooked. This one comes from a sociological perspective, and deals with stigmatization.

When you come out as a transsexual woman, you basically remove yourself from a position of privilege (male) and place yourself in a position of second- or third-class citizen. Even the most passable transsexual is still regarded "only" as a woman - i.e, still lacking certain opportunities that we had as males. The vast majority of us - non-passing transsexuals - find oursel ves near the bottom of the social ladder, regarded (wrongly) by many as the dregs of society. Not far from homosexuals, drug addicts, homeless people, illegal immigrants, and of course, prostitutes. So, it's not a huge "drop" to that rung of the social ladder.

Not only that, but those who "associate" with the bottom rung - namely, the men that are interested in us - are also concerned about being stigmatized. It's still considered taboo for men to be with a transsexual, and they're not going to give us any hope of a long-term, emotionally- and financially-supportive relationship.

As Paco so ineloquently stated in a previous post:
Certainly not the nicest way of stating his position, but it's very accurate as to how most men regard transsexuals outside the bedroom. Many men would love to fuck a shemale, but very few would actually consider a relationship with one, unless she's so passable that he can tell everyone she's a genetic girl.

So blkhung, to answer your question, if you want to hook up with me outside of a financial transaction, are you willing to:

- Introduce me to your parents? Best friends? Boss and co-workers?
- Tell everone that I'm a transsexual escort, and that you're really happy to be dating a t-girl?
- Tell everyone how proud you are that I'm a political activist, and writer of a trans-focused column?
- Take me to dinner in the fanciest restaurant in town, and smile through the stares and dirty looks from Toronto's social elite?
- Tell people the TRUE story about how we met - that you saw my ad in the Shemale Canada Escort section, and sent me a picture of your cock?

Or do you just want me to be your little fucktoy that you hide from everyone else?

I think I've made my point. I love spending time with men who are engaging and respectful, and I love being in this industry, but I'm not wearing any rose-coloured glasses. It's a mutually-beneficial relationship, and we can both gain from it - I meet interesting people, finish my graduate degree, and avoid the crushing debt of student loans; they fulfill a fantasy, or enjoy a wonderful experience, with someone they probably would never meet in a social situation.

There are limits to our invol vement that shouldn't be ignored, and anyone that thinks they're somehow "above" paying for sex (especially that smlvr idiot from other posts) should re-examine their position, and ask themsel ves if they can answer "yes" to all of those questions above. If not, bite the bullet, offer the donation, and make the girl feel respected and valued.

/rant

Yes, I am above paying for sex. You make the assumption that I'm an idiot because I don't want to pay for sex? What you don't understand is that I simply don't have to. You, like many other people (see how I said "many", not "all"?), may suffer from selective reading. You choose to digest the words that matter to you and ignore the ones that don't, as I clearly stated that I have no agenda against escorting. It's a profession as much as any other occupation. My point, which you miserably failed to understand, was that if somebody doesn't want to pay for sex, there's alternatives.

You enter into a world that requires an open mind from most outsiders but you fail to have an open mind yourself. This is sadly typical. You also might make the naive assumption that I have no idea about your world, while - not to sound obnoxious - I've grown up in one of the gayest capitals in the world, in the heart of the gay/lesbian/transgendered community. I've seen, heard and done it all before, and then some. If you were face to face with something every day, even though you weren't a part of it, do you not think you'd have some understanding of it? I have stories that would send some people into chronic depression.

Transioned shemales owe their very appearance to people unlike them. You don't deserve special treatment because of the choices you made. What you do deserve is equality, but give me one true example of equality in today's society.

In regards to your silly little ultimatum questionnaire, I CAN say yes, and I have done so, more than once.

"It's still considered taboo for men to be with a transsexual, and they're not going to give us any hope of a long-term, emotionally- and financially-supportive relationship."

Right, the men that will pay for sex. Of course they're not going to give you a long-term relationship. Look around you. You're an escort! While you're pigeon-holing men, you don't speak for me.

This is ultimately all relevant to geographical location. For instance, the transgendered lifestyle would obviously be easier in say, a city like New York, than it would in a small country town. Although still progressively slow, certainly cities like Rio de Janeiro, Bangkok, and to a lesser extent, Sydney or San Fancisco, are much further ahead in social acceptance than other urban hubs.

"The vast majority of us - non-passing transsexuals - find oursel ves near the bottom of the social ladder, regarded (wrongly) by many as the dregs of society. Not far from homosexuals, drug addicts, homeless people, illegal immigrants, and of course, prostitutes."

Hahaha! Not far from homosexuals?? Are you drunk? Gays are way above you on the ladder of society. This is just a social and political fact. You are high on the smell of your own farts, woman.

While your points are all nicely punctuated, you've missed the mark completely.

[Paco]

genes that reduce fecundity become rare with the exception of genes that protect against infectious disease and that strike before or during peoples fertile years.

These diseases show a simple Mendelian pattern of inheritance which is not seen in homosexuals.

Besides, if one identical twin has this genetic mutation that protects against a disease, the other identical twin will as well.

Homosexual males are discordant for homosexuality around 75% of the time.

[Paco]

"One of those brain structures is the amygdala, which is also responsible for activating our threat-detection system. This part of the brain doesn't mature until our mid-20's, and if you look at it from a sociological perspective, women and gay men have a higher need for enhanced threat-detections skills in our homophobic and misogynistic society. Therefore, the similarities may not be genetic at all, but a result of the brain's post-pubescent development."

Homosexual male rams also have altered amygdala's.

The brain matures from birth until our late teens.

When people speak of homophobic and misogynistic nonsense i want to reach for my revol-ver.

[Paco]

- Introduce me to your parents? Best friends? Boss and co-workers?
- Tell everone that I'm a transsexual escort, and that you're really happy to be dating a t-girl?
- Tell everyone how proud you are that I'm a political activist, and writer of a trans-focused column?
- Take me to dinner in the fanciest restaurant in town, and smile through the stares and dirty looks from Toronto's social elite?
- Tell people the TRUE story about how we met - that you saw my ad in the Shemale Canada Escort section, and sent me a picture of your cock?

I can understand points 1, 3 and 4 but the others are silly and extreme.

The other points will severely limit your chances of acquiring a quality long-term partner (actually all of them will but points 1, 3 and 4 are reasonable and comes down to your partners decency and how liberal and unselfconscious they are.

[smlvr]

Paco

Paco, regarding your reference to homosexual behavior among animals, Have you seen Ricky Gervais' Animals? If not, I highly recommend it.

[Paco]

"My current studies are towards a second major in Sexual Diversity Studies."

You should switch to population genetics. Greater earning potential and a quantitative "Hard Science" unlike Sexual Diversity Studies which is high in leftist Marxist fluff and low in critical thinking, and hard data

[Rantsalot]

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I wasn't cognizant that such polysyllabic propensities could be spewed forth by the constituents within this thread.

I just pulled that out of my ass , in all reality I am an idiot and have no formal edumacation ... please believe me...I am an idiot as some have decided to conclude with very little evidence or absolutely none. I wish I had me one of those masters degrees AND a B.A degree from Circuit City, universe cities or university, sumthin' like dat. Considering people here like to talk about lernin'.

In all seriousness the question was

How come every tgirls an escort??

To summarize:

Jay Sauga: Gives a decent answer and a link to show not every girl is an escort
Lisa Paradise: Provides an open and honest answer, for money.
Locomotion: States to avoid labelling
Amethyst Dark: Replies to cover debts.

So far so good

Bluejack: Agrees with Lisa and says, for money
T Girl Nikki: In general states that it is what it is, everything mentioned thus far and more. Acceptance, money, etc.
snoodle: Agrees with T Girl Nikki
Flight09: Agrees with T Girl Nikki and states he wants more than just a fling

Looking great thus far.

Paco: States that T Girl Nikki is intelligent and almost hints at being an intellectual equal
T Girl Nikki: States her position on Pacos view of women but shows respect
Jenllani: Concludes that intelligence is a wonderful attribute and shows that in her post.

Nice. Great reading.

Amethyst Dark: Provides an in depth look about herself and why she changed
Jenllani: Is in disbelief but happy with the result
The Dude: Basically asks that a woman seeks a "miracle"......LMAO
Lisa Paradise: Again says...."show me da money".....LOL..LMAO
Amethyst Dark: Asks for a miracle ....LOL
Jenllani: Asks for a miracle...LOL

Pretty funny stuff

Then it gets just ...stupid.


Paco: Goes into this tangent about animals butt humping and gay and straight men procreating and what the kids will be like.
smlvr: Goes on about being all that, lives in paradise and men buy sex because of where they are and insults TGirl Nikki for no reason
Paco: More animal humping and then talks of the fundamental development of brain patterns.
smlvr: Says follow the lead of a stand up comic
Paco: Says he's writing a book.

Whats this got to do with "How come every tgirls an escort??"

Finally. Rantsalot , completes this "not a rant" rant thingy and goes back to listening to some tunes while driving around in his new car and waits for the next chapter.