Protest in the alley

[prettyboy]

so put that IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT[/QUOTE]

I would love to, unfortunately after 40 years of heavy smoking, both weed and fags, I have recently had to quit due to a scary cough.
This may explain my ever decreasing tolerance for shit that I have put up with in the past.
I think I need something long and black to suck on......to comfort me....

[tslisaparadise]

so put that IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT

I would love to, unfortunately after 40 years of heavy smoking, both weed and fags, I have recently had to quit due to a scary cough.
This may explain my ever decreasing tolerance for shit that I have put up with in the past.
I think I need something long and black to suck on......to comfort me....[/quote]roflmfao yer too funny i was tryin to mess with ya and you didnt bite god damn it lol but great comeback

[Tia Phoenixx]

if they are committing crimes, yes, as well as Conrad Black, Enron execs, Manchester United supporters, etc. This discussion is not about discrimination.

I think the members here (well myself anyway) are empathising with the residents as the injured party. A solution may include a "redlight" district with monitoring and safe houses away from residences. I'm not sure there is the political will there to make this happen though. Although this issue has complex societal ramifications, and the safety of the sex workers is important, simply letting them perform this work in a residential neighbourhood is untenable and will lead to these unneccessary confrontations.

Perhaps those who support this activity will invite the displaced sex workers to their neighbourhoods. That may work as well.

Agree

I just read one of the articles on Fab. It is said that the residents are not against Transsexuals and prostitution. They are just against the noise that they have made every night.

[prettyboy]

if they are committing crimes, yes, as well as Conrad Black, Enron execs, Manchester United supporters, etc. This discussion is not about discrimination.

I think the members here (well myself anyway) are empathising with the residents as the injured party. A solution may include a "redlight" district with monitoring and safe houses away from residences. I'm not sure there is the political will there to make this happen though. Although this issue has complex societal ramifications, and the safety of the sex workers is important, simply letting them perform this work in a residential neighbourhood is untenable and will lead to these unneccessary confrontations.

Perhaps those who support this activity will invite the displaced sex workers to their neighbourhoods. That may work as well.

First of all it's the Chelsea fans that are the villains, secondly, what are the crimes that the street workers are committing? Other than prostitution, the support of which is the foundation of this forum. Sure there are some crack heads and scam artists amongst them, but that is true of all walks of life, even amongst the residents of this neighbourhood and this forums members.
My major point in all of this is that these people purchased a house in a run down area knowing that it was a well established whore track, they then expect to be able to pass off the prostitution problem to 'somewhere else'.
This spineless vanilla city is never going to do anything as radical as establish a red light district, and prostitution is never going away, so if they do manage to evict the whores they are just going to be someone elses problem.
Many of the girls on the street lack what it takes to arrange advertising and incall facilities, the fundamentals of 'posh' hooking, some have drug and mental problems, they are in many cases abused outcasts, I simply ask for a little compassion for the weak against the self interest and sense of entitlement of the middle classes.

[Rockheart]

I am surprised at the lack of support by the forum members for our discount bargain bin at Maitland /Homewood, even the local straight press [ the sex columnist in Eye magazine] was more supportive. She devoted her entire column to the issue last week and made a good case for the girls. It is worth a read if you can find a copy.

The solution to the problem offered up by forum members of
shovelling them to off to desolate areas of the city to ply their trade puts more danger into the lives of already vulnerable girls.

That spot is pretty desolate itself, except for the houses down the street and the school behind it.

My suggestion of them moving more over by Goodhandy's area, to me, is a better location. Church st. is desolate compared to M & H??
It is mostly businesses and parking lots over there too so no conflicts with the residents.
Obviously the police arent' ready to bust them so moving to a possibly hight exposure location should be fine.
It is good enough for the GG hookers that work just up church st. from there.
I've been all around that neighbourhood and there is so many better places to do business period.
Personally I think that is the tackiest choice of location of any Shemale stroll I've seen in any city so far.

I mean I guess is very close to Meal Trans but that is the only advantage I see to it.

it would also make sense that business would be better in a place where someone wasn't always video taping the action.
Someone must have a fantastic collection of blackmail material in the houses over there.

[capitus]

First of all it's the Chelsea fans that are the villains, secondly, what are the crimes that the street workers are committing? Other than prostitution, the support of which is the foundation of this forum. Sure there are some crack heads and scam artists amongst them, but that is true of all walks of life, even amongst the residents of this neighbourhood and this forums members.
My major point in all of this is that these people purchased a house in a run down area knowing that it was a well established whore track, they then expect to be able to pass off the prostitution problem to 'somewhere else'.
This spineless vanilla city is never going to do anything as radical as establish a red light district, and prostitution is never going away, so if they do manage to evict the whores they are just going to be someone elses problem.
Many of the girls on the street lack what it takes to arrange advertising and incall facilities, the fundamentals of 'posh' hooking, some have drug and mental problems, they are in many cases abused outcasts, I simply ask for a little compassion for the weak against the self interest and sense of entitlement of the middle classes.

Yes, you are absolutely right...Chelsea supporters are disgusting filthy vermin that should be incarcerated indefinitely in a US run detention facility...oops, did I go to far??

That being said, I'm not sure who is the weak and who is the middle class, however, I wouldn't want this in my neighbourhood and I think homeowners in all neighbourhoods should have the right to a safe and clean environment. There are also business districts that are vacant at night that wouldn't bother residents...perhaps this should be a direction of action? I am not anti-prostitution nor am I anti-transgender, but I am pro-community.

Just my 2 cents....

[Andrew69]

I saw one of the very first protests. If I am driving late at night I will take a quick detour to the area to check out the girls on the street. I never pick them up on the street as solicitation is illegal but not prostitution itself. Solicitation anywhere is illegal, not just on the street.

I support the right to peaceful protest. However I would like to address a few points.

1. The schools are closed & night school is done by 9pm & doesn't happen on Friday/Saturday. Jarvis Collegiate is the local school which is a high school not a primary school. So no young children are affected.

2. Taxes. I live in 905 and pay significant property taxes, 905 property taxes subsidise 416 so my house taxes in 905 are paying for 416 as well. Actual Toronto neighbourhoods are insignificant as taxes are paid to the GTA. I own a business in Toronto and I pay Toronto business taxes as well. I own one investment property at Yonge/Maitland also so I pay property taxes directly into Toronto as well. I doubt the protesters pay anywhere near what I do in taxes or other members of this forum.

3. Sex in alleys/cars. People have sex all the time in public areas (alleys, parks, laneways) in the village and there are no protests. I think it is because these people are trans escorts that is the real issue.

The protesters were shouting at cars & shining their flashlights in my car as I drove which is a major hazard. It it caught my eye blinding me so I couldn't see where I was going. So I pulled my car over and confronted the protesters. They were no where near as brave or bold when standing face to face me. They backed down and apologised.

If they are bullying, intimidating, threatening harassing workers or clients that is a crime & should be reported. All you have do is state that you don't what them to communicate with you, if they continue and you fear for your safety because of it they have committed criminal harassment. Record them with your cell phone.

These people moved into a gay, lesbian, trans, bisexual area. Trans people have as much right to walk the streets as anyone else. If the trans people are loitering so are the protesters.

Again I support the right of these residents to PEACEFUL protest. Personally it wouldn't bother me if these girls set up shop right in front of my home. My biggest fear would be going bankrupt, hard to resist what is under your nose night after night

[cliff]

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Sub question - Where exactly in Toronto would anyone propose the RLD (safe zone) should be located?

Commissioners Street.

Seriously. It's downtown, it's industrial / commercial, no-one lives there. There's lots of places that providers could go with customers, there's police near by, TTC, etc. If you build it, they will cum.

Prostitutes have no right to work in residential neighbourhoods. As many have said, the people who live there have the right to peace and quiet. While the area is not Rosedale, it's not a bad area either.

[cliff]

2. Taxes. I live in 905 and pay significant property taxes, 905 property taxes subsidise 416 so my house taxes in 905 are paying for 416 as well. Actual Toronto neighbourhoods are insignificant as taxes are paid to the GTA. I own a business in Toronto and I pay Toronto business taxes as well. I own one investment property at Yonge/Maitland also so I pay property taxes directly into Toronto as well. I doubt the protesters pay anywhere near what I do in taxes or other members of this forum.

Uh no.

Absolutely O 905 property taxes flow into the City of Toronto revenue coffers. I think you are sadly mistaken.

As to what Toronto property taxes are in relation to the burbs, it comes down to market value assesment. $300,000 in Toronto gets you a dog house. $300k in Brampton gets you semi detached house on a quiet street. (Of course, you will probably slit your wrists sooner or later living in Brampton) You can not compare property taxes paid in 905 vs. 416 based on the cost of the property because Toronto is simply far more expensive than the burbs.

If you compared like to like, for example a 1500 ft2 detached Toronto house to a 1500 ft2 detached house in Brampton, you'd probably find that the taxes are more or less the same.

[Andrew69]

Uh no.

Absolutely O 905 property taxes flow into the City of Toronto revenue coffers. I think you are sadly mistaken.

As to what Toronto property taxes are in relation to the burbs, it comes down to market value assesment. $300,000 in Toronto gets you a dog house. $300k in Brampton gets you semi detached house on a quiet street. (Of course, you will probably slit your wrists sooner or later living in Brampton) You can not compare property taxes paid in 905 vs. 416 based on the cost of the property because Toronto is simply far more expensive than the burbs.

If you compared like to like, for example a 1500 ft2 detached Toronto house to a 1500 ft2 detached house in Brampton, you'd probably find that the taxes are more or less the same.

uh yes, 905 has been subsidizing 416 for years.

http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/cit...r_id%3D9700020

Not all 905 property is cheap, where I live $300k wouldn't buy you a dog house but you can buy plenty of property in 416 with $300k.

[capitus]

Personally it wouldn't bother me if these girls set up shop right in front of my home. My biggest fear would be going bankrupt, hard to resist what is under your nose night after night

Then invite them...problem solved.

[Andrew69]

Then invite them...problem solved.

lol some how I doubt they would be willing to come to 905 and that the drive by trade would be as good, but thanks for the suggestion.

[kristopin]

the sex trade has been and will be

well i found this whole 'protest' thread interesting. some very intelligent posts and some rather reactionary. everybodies rights being brought into question. i agree that the everyone has the right to protest. when protest turns violent the somebodies civil rights are being trampled on. the height of this would have to be what happened years back in ohio. you know the song 3 dead in ohio.
our society had been held back from evolving into its rightful place as a tolerant society that respects everyones rights by the social dogma of religous rules. if you can free yourself from those shackles then you start to let yourself evolve into a free society that does not have gender or labels etc.
governmetns have absolutely no rights in my bedroom. our governments are run by people that are still shackled and cannot make reasonable decisions because they are shackled. it seems so obvious that this city needs a red light district. it would resolve so many 'problems' about the sex trade.
but the rulers of our fair domain could not even let a casino be built here for fear of corruption and any other excuse they can make, the voters hold the key to thier shackles.

for the last year i have been throwing my shackles away, freeing myself. i have entered the trans scene recently, and find myslef awake and alive again. freedom to be myself is my choice.

just my opinions and thoughts. cheers to all. peace.

[Jennifertvgiril]

Charter of rights and freedoms

I suggest people self educate themselves vis-a-vis the Charter of Rights And Freedoms Act of 1982 if they want to make intelligent comments on this issue in the case of either for, or against, street prostitution.