Has the escort industry reached a new low??

[Hoodho]

Seems many of the other ladies stopped using SC. I don’t blame them. Not everyone is in the same situation and I totally understand the point you are making.

You have always been the most reasonable.

[Hoodho]

BS, I’ve dated and actually lived with trans women several times so I believe I know how to experience trans issues. Suicide threats? Hormone induced emotional outbursts? I’ve dealt with it all.

I also know how much money they can make in this biz if they apply themselves. One worker bragged about carrying $10,000 in her purse all the time.

lLike I said, if someone who wants to sell their ass but suffers hardship, I think one month free adverting would get them off the ground. Websites need to make money though like any other business. We aren’t a communist society living like paupers standing in bread lines yet. Trudeau is working on it though…

You said in your first post you had no sympathy for transwomen escorts. I was just going off that and the general attitude in this forum from clients about transexual providers. I think one month free ain't a bad idea at all.

[luckydawg80]

I couldn't help but notice online advertisement for escorting apparently requires payment now?
there was a time when this industry was about the young transwomen coming up who needed to fund their transition, put food on the table or escape an abusive home or rise out of homelessness. This industry was a way for them to quickly do that. Has the industry become so soul less that you essentially have to pay from $50 to $100 just to advertise? This completely alienates many young transwomen from even having a shot at just entering the industry.

My thought is that if you are providing a service, then why shouldn't you have to pay to advertise. Coca-Cola or Honda don't get free marketing spots. Neither do the upcoming companies that are just trying to make a name for themselves. There's no discrimination based on how long the company has been in business. Why should it be different in the escorting industry? This may be a assumption, but I bet you already bypass paying any taxes for the income made, so put some of that 30%-40% of your earnings that we all give CRA towards it. This may also sound harsh, but $50-$100 is nothing. Suck another dick a month to pay for getting your brand out there. Not "your" as in you necessarily, but just as a general rule.

You talk about the girls that want to get into the business being at a disadvantage by having to pay to advertise. Well, how about the plight of the guys that want to get into the industry by seeing a provider but they can't because of the ridiculous pricing schemes? Should they get free rounds from the providers because of their background or sob story?

[Hoodho]

My thought is that if you are providing a service, then why shouldn't you have to pay to advertise.

there are MANY platforms you don't have to pay to advertise. facebook,twitter,reddit etc

Coca-Cola or Honda don't get free marketing spots. Neither do the upcoming companies that are just trying to make a name for themselves. There's no discrimination based on how long the company has been in business. Why should it be different in the escorting industry?

comparing a single person in a community of ostracized people that are less than 2 percent of the worlds entire population to billion dollar companies that pay for advertising is ridiculous.

This may be a assumption, but I bet you already bypass paying any taxes for the income made, so put some of that 30%-40% of your earnings that we all give CRA towards it. This may also sound harsh, but $50-$100 is nothing. Suck another dick a month to pay for getting your brand out there. Not "your" as in you necessarily, but just as a general rule.

that's a HUGE assumption! i pay my taxes like everyone else. not that its really any of your business. nor is that relevant. as i keep having to state over and over this post is about girls who are new coming into the industry not having a platform to advertise on for FREE. which was the case for over 10 years until recently. i can afford to advertise on any platform i want. but what about the girls who are struggling to survive? if you are one of the many fetishists who only care about getting off and not about the trans community in question than this post is not FOR you.

You talk about the girls that want to get into the business being at a disadvantage by having to pay to advertise. Well, how about the plight of the guys that want to get into the industry by seeing a provider but they can't because of the ridiculous pricing schemes? Should they get free rounds from the providers because of their background or sob story?

once again not comparable. they can easily see a provider that has cheap rates. there are PLENTY of them. some girls even negotiate pricing if you are respectable about it. clearly you've never experienced that.

[luckydawg80]

there are MANY platforms you don't have to pay to advertise. facebook,twitter,reddit etc

Then what are you bitching about? Tell all these new girls to advertise there.

comparing a single person in a community of ostracized people that are less than 2 percent of the worlds entire population to billion dollar companies that pay for advertising is ridiculous.

No it is not ridiculous at all. Why should billion dollar companies have to pay to advertise then? How else do you expect to get your product to market. If you are going to go into business, and that is exactly what escorting is, then be prepared to fork out some money to try and keep your company in business.

that's a HUGE assumption! i pay my taxes like everyone else. not that its really any of your business. nor is that relevant. as i keep having to state over and over this post is about girls who are new coming into the industry not having a platform to advertise on for FREE. which was the case for over 10 years until recently. i can afford to advertise on any platform i want. but what about the girls who are struggling to survive? if you are one of the many fetishists who only care about getting off and not about the trans community in question than this post is not FOR you.

You're right, it isn't my business. I'm curious what industry code you use when filing your taxes. And if you claim every dollar you make from the guys that see you. Because we are all using after tax money, so maybe we can exchange GST numbers and then maybe get some refunds next April...

I also still don't see why it should matter whether you are struggling to survive or rolling in cash. If you want to get into this, then be prepared to pay the "set-up fee". If you are struggling that bad, then get your affairs in order beforehand. Make some money elsewhere so you can pay the advertising costs when you do enter the industry.

And if I was only here to get off, so be it. And if I'm truly concerned about the trans community and the struggling girls, then I would most likely help them get off the street and into something other than selling themselves to strangers.

once again not comparable. they can easily see a provider that has cheap rates. there are PLENTY of them. some girls even negotiate pricing if you are respectable about ii. clearly you've never experienced that.

Nope. I don't go in trying to negotiate prices. And I'm certainly not going to apologize for respecting the provider's rates.

[Hoodho]

Then what are you bitching about? Tell all these new girls to advertise there.

i'm not "bitching" about anything you insufferable troll. i made a post about the degradation of the industry. if you don't like my thoughts or opinions than don't come on my thread "bitching" your damn self.

I also still don't see why it should matter whether you are struggling to survive or rolling in cash. If you want to get into this, then be prepared to pay the "set-up fee". If you are struggling that bad, then get your affairs in order beforehand. Make some money elsewhere so you can pay the advertising costs when you do enter the industry.
And if I was only here to get off, so be it. And if I'm truly concerned about the trans community and the struggling girls, then I would most likely help them get off the street and into something other than selling themselves to strangers.

lmao i don't care if you see why or don't see why an opportunity for struggling transwomen to escort freely on a site like the old days is beneficial. this post wasn't meant for YOU. You are a nameless, faceless nobody. one of MANY on here. who indulge in transexuals and clearly don't give an F about the plights they face. because after all "billion dollar businesses pay for advertisements so they should too". lmao could you operate anymore from a place of privilege? you're more tone deaf than marie antoinette who said the starving people who can't afford to eat bread should just eat cake. "selling themselves to strangers" funny words coming from the stranger these transexuals are selling themselves to. nothing wrong with sex work but it's so ironic how tricks like you try to look down on it despite being number 1 customers. the absolute AUDACITY.

Nope. I don't go in trying to negotiate prices. And I'm certainly not going to apologize for respecting the provider's rates.

no you just complain about the girls prices on the tgirlforums and use that as justification for why new struggling transwomen in the industry don't deserve empathy. lol

[ladyluv]

My thought is that if you are providing a service, then why shouldn't you have to pay to advertise. Coca-Cola or Honda don't get free marketing spots. Neither do the upcoming companies that are just trying to make a name for themselves. There's no discrimination based on how long the company has been in business. Why should it be different in the escorting industry? This may be a assumption, but I bet you already bypass paying any taxes for the income made, so put some of that 30%-40% of your earnings that we all give CRA towards it. This may also sound harsh, but $50-$100 is nothing. Suck another dick a month to pay for getting your brand out there. Not "your" as in you necessarily, but just as a general rule.

You talk about the girls that want to get into the business being at a disadvantage by having to pay to advertise. Well, how about the plight of the guys that want to get into the industry by seeing a provider but they can't because of the ridiculous pricing schemes? Should they get free rounds from the providers because of their background or sob story?

Wow, you’re really dumb.

[ladyluv]

You have always been the most reasonable.

It’s actually quite appalling some of the replies you’ve gotten here. It really just shows how incredibly ignorant some people are. Nothing makes me laugh harder ( or makes me more sad )at people who defend multi billion dollar companies, or others who think they know what it’s like to walk in someone else’s shoes. Or, some here saying it’s not more difficult for trans people in society than us so called “normal” people. Honestly, can someone actually be that fkn stupid? I’ll give you one example right here. I work in construction, and if I, or any of my coworkers, was to openly date a trans woman, I don’t even want to imagine the abuse that would be given. I can’t even fathom the level of abuse tbh.

[justvisiting2016]

It’s actually quite appalling some of the replies you’ve gotten here. It really just shows how incredibly ignorant some people are. Nothing makes me laugh harder ( or makes me more sad )at people who defend multi billion dollar companies, or others who think they know what it’s like to walk in someone else’s shoes. Or, some here saying it’s not more difficult for trans people in society than us so called “normal” people. Honestly, can someone actually be that fkn stupid? I’ll give you one example right here. I work in construction, and if I, or any of my coworkers, was to openly date a trans woman, I don’t even want to imagine the abuse that would be given. I can’t even fathom the level of abuse tbh.

First, I like you on here so this disagreement is not a personal attack please just take it as a debatable view point.

Construction guys (blue collar men in general) are one of the most lucrative markets for trans escorts. One of the main reasons these guys would bully someone openly dating trans is because they are projecting their own fear of being outed, and thus act like assholes to divert that attention. So you are right , you would get bullied, but ultimately if you stand your ground they would dial it down as they would be fucking turned on by your girlfriend. the abuse would not last for very long if you stood your ground.

I was one of the replies HH didn't like and that is ok. I like her as a person online, she is genuine and sincere in her concern for trans women. I just call her out for some fabrications or things that don't pass the smell test and I know that can make one a villian. But over all, I think we can all agree on more things than we disagree on.

I was terrified to openly date a trans women. But once I did it, i realized that after that initial weirdness people accepted it and "live and let live" settled in and I have not faced any push back ever again. if you stay true to yourself the people around you eventually work with it and move onto something else. The problem is people think that if you face resistance you should give up and play the victim card and that unfortunately is so self defeating and that is why I speak out against victim cards. There is so much out there for trans people in spite of the bullshit if they just don't listen to the outrage activists and give up and think everything is doom and gloom at the first resistance point. I have met and experience so many examples to know what I speak of. The activists want to convince trans people that there is no hope and amplify the bad stories and never talk about the good ones in order to keep them scared and stationary and under the thumb. Empowerment is pushing through the resistance points and finding your success. And I have seen so many inspiring examples of this in my time in the community. So, when I see posts talking doom and gloom, I speak out.

[truck]

Hmmmm, welp we live in a time when escorts complain about paying for ads. We live in a time where Truck complains about paying 300 hr to see a CD. It’s a crazy world we live in.

I say advertise on Snapchat IG Facebook TikTok and Twitter. That’s all the free advertising you’ll ever need.

Actually this forum is all the platform you need.
Use it to create a good client base. Offer discounts for early bird clients. Half price before 11am.

Visit 4 times get the fifth time free.

Free session on your birthday after visiting 5 times?

You can be creative with your regular guys. 400hr is way too much. Peace.

[ladyluv]

Hmmmm, welp we live in a time when escorts complain about paying for ads. We live in a time where Truck complains about paying 300 hr to see a CD. It’s a crazy world we live in.

I say advertise on Snapchat IG Facebook TikTok and Twitter. That’s all the free advertising you’ll ever need.

Actually this forum is all the platform you need.
Use it to create a good client base. Offer discounts for early bird clients. Half price before 11am.

Visit 4 times get the fifth time free.

Free session on your birthday after visiting 5 times?

You can be creative with your regular guys. 400hr is way too much. Peace.

I also agree with you about the prices. Personally, I am not paying those prices, I refuse to, and as a result I almost never visit SPs anymore. And, I also agree that the website has the freedom to change a monthly rate for advertising. The SPs need to use other platforms instead, and it appears that many have. There’s a lot of SPs that seem to be advertising on LL rather than SC. Some SPs use both platforms. However, I totally understand where Hoodho is coming from. Not everyone is in the same situation snd SC was a lot better when Crag ran it.

[ladyluv]

First, I like you on here so this disagreement is not a personal attack please just take it as a debatable view point.

Construction guys (blue collar men in general) are one of the most lucrative markets for trans escorts. One of the main reasons these guys would bully someone openly dating trans is because they are projecting their own fear of being outed, and thus act like assholes to divert that attention. So you are right , you would get bullied, but ultimately if you stand your ground they would dial it down as they would be fucking turned on by your girlfriend. the abuse would not last for very long if you stood your ground.

I was one of the replies HH didn't like and that is ok. I like her as a person online, she is genuine and sincere in her concern for trans women. I just call her out for some fabrications or things that don't pass the smell test and I know that can make one a villian. But over all, I think we can all agree on more things than we disagree on.

I was terrified to openly date a trans women. But once I did it, i realized that after that initial weirdness people accepted it and "live and let live" settled in and I have not faced any push back ever again. if you stay true to yourself the people around you eventually work with it and move onto something else. The problem is people think that if you face resistance you should give up and play the victim card and that unfortunately is so self defeating and that is why I speak out against victim cards. There is so much out there for trans people in spite of the bullshit if they just don't listen to the outrage activists and give up and think everything is doom and gloom at the first resistance point. I have met and experience so many examples to know what I speak of. The activists want to convince trans people that there is no hope and amplify the bad stories and never talk about the good ones in order to keep them scared and stationary and under the thumb. Empowerment is pushing through the resistance points and finding your success. And I have seen so many inspiring examples of this in my time in the community. So, when I see posts talking doom and gloom, I speak out.

It’s all good, I don’t take it personally. I respect your opinion, and overall you’re one if the nicer people on here. Trans people have really come a long way in society, especially in more recent years. It certainly wouldn’t hurt if media and society would focus more on some success stories of trans people, rather than always victimizing them. Again, I suppose it’s hard to generalize as there’s so many unique cases.

[Hoodho]

It’s actually quite appalling some of the replies you’ve gotten here. It really just shows how incredibly ignorant some people are. Nothing makes me laugh harder ( or makes me more sad )at people who defend multi billion dollar companies, or others who think they know what it’s like to walk in someone else’s shoes. Or, some here saying it’s not more difficult for trans people in society than us so called “normal” people. Honestly, can someone actually be that fkn stupid? I’ll give you one example right here. I work in construction, and if I, or any of my coworkers, was to openly date a trans woman, I don’t even want to imagine the abuse that would be given. I can’t even fathom the level of abuse tbh.

its the fact they are so ignorant and blatantly refuse to actually educate themselves on the lives of trans people in any capacity that's appalling to me. They think because they know one or two transwomen that do well those ones some how are a representative of the tons of transwomen out there getting sh*tted on DAILY! But yeah "xyz makes tons of money so the transwoman who just got robbed,raped or beaten by a customer doesn't exist."

[justvisiting2016]

its the fact they are so ignorant and blatantly refuse to actually educate themselves on the lives of trans people in any capacity that's appalling to me. They think because they know one or two transwomen that do well those ones some how are a representative of the tons of transwomen out there getting sh*tted on DAILY! But yeah "xyz makes tons of money so the transwoman who just got robbed,raped or beaten by a customer doesn't exist."

Screaming buzzwords like APPALLING and thinking people don't know what they are talking about is terrible. I honestly find it appalling that you are using the plight of the suffering to somehow support you ridiculous position that well earning escorts are being abused by asking to pay for their online ads. Remember, the truly suffering and the 20 dollar street workers you reference, are not listnig on ShemaleCanada and are thus, not being exploited by having to pay for marketing costs. Nor would they be online if the marketing was free.

if you think I am horrible for pointing out your BS, please do. We can just ignore each other. But I honestly think you are a good person and care; you are just getting upset at the wrong things. Working on the plight of abused and suffering trans women is a much different issue and has no connection to financially successful escorts being asked to pay for their online advertising and websites. Which is why i called you out in the first place.

In summary, I was not attacking the suffering and abused; i was criticizing a thread that opened saying that asking escorts who are 300+ per hour (the ones on SMC) to pay for ads is somehow a new low for the industry. It isn't a low. Its a business.

I won't engage you again if that will make you feel better. If you notice my posting history, for the most part I am highly supportive of escorts, trans women, and am even in support of the current pricing due to my understanding of costs to present what the clients expect. however, BS is BS and sometimes it gets called out.

Good luck.

[Hoodho]

First, I like you on here so this disagreement is not a personal attack please just take it as a debatable view point.

Construction guys (blue collar men in general) are one of the most lucrative markets for trans escorts. One of the main reasons these guys would bully someone openly dating trans is because they are projecting their own fear of being outed, and thus act like assholes to divert that attention. So you are right , you would get bullied, but ultimately if you stand your ground they would dial it down as they would be fucking turned on by your girlfriend. the abuse would not last for very long if you stood your ground.

I was one of the replies HH didn't like and that is ok. I like her as a person online, she is genuine and sincere in her concern for trans women. I just call her out for some fabrications or things that don't pass the smell test and I know that can make one a villian. But over all, I think we can all agree on more things than we disagree on.

I was terrified to openly date a trans women. But once I did it, i realized that after that initial weirdness people accepted it and "live and let live" settled in and I have not faced any push back ever again. if you stay true to yourself the people around you eventually work with it and move onto something else. The problem is people think that if you face resistance you should give up and play the victim card and that unfortunately is so self defeating and that is why I speak out against victim cards. There is so much out there for trans people in spite of the bullshit if they just don't listen to the outrage activists and give up and think everything is doom and gloom at the first resistance point. I have met and experience so many examples to know what I speak of. The activists want to convince trans people that there is no hope and amplify the bad stories and never talk about the good ones in order to keep them scared and stationary and under the thumb. Empowerment is pushing through the resistance points and finding your success. And I have seen so many inspiring examples of this in my time in the community. So, when I see posts talking doom and gloom, I speak out.

IT is not using the victim card if we acknowledge the truthful reality that The world at large is either openly or covertly anti trans. As such it would be nice if compassion in any way could be shown to young transwomen trying to survive in this industry. In canada trans people do have a lot more rights than other places. but that doesn't mean extreme bigotry towards trans people doesn't happen here. Recently a couple was beaten up just for buying budd light bear because a transwoman was the new spokesperson for it. Not to mention the new release of the matt walsh "what is a woman" documentary has given ammunition for transphobes to revel in their bigotry and find like minded people. You can acknowledge the road ahead is hard but that doesn't mean its impossible to push through.