Serious question for the trans women here.

[naturestruth]

I understand the overreaching authoritarian moderator does not like politics posted. My question is for the girls. How would a conservative government, like the next one run by Pierre Poilievre. Have any negative or positive consequences for trans women. I just want to be more educated by actual trans women, who can tell me how they feel.

I am naturally a right leaning conservative and trans people have taken the spotlight in the recent debates. Hopefully the moderator does not delete this as I think we can all learn from the replies.

[Tsema]

Transwomans have not taken any spotlight. Far right Conservative people are using transwoman livehood experiences to create false narative to scare people. Scare tactic with minority group have always been used in politics, it's not a new concept, we just happen to be the current target.

I'm not sure what exactly this post is about, you're asking how trans people feel about someone making statements against our existence? Creating laws to make our general life more hard? Not providing adequate medical ressources for trans people? Please enlight us!

[SteviiSixxx]

Pierre Poilivere has already made numerous disparaging remarks concerning trans people. He has made his position on the issue abundantly clear.

The entirety of Canada’s right wing seems mobilized against trans people, and more specifically trans women. The right views trans men as women, and therefore non-threatening, and more easily ignored.

I’ll be covering the entirety of the current trans-panic culture war hysteria, and the anti-trans measures which have already been invoked across the country.


Alberta’s decidedly right wing provincial government, lead by the Trump-idolizing Danielle Smith, has adopted transphobic hatred as their current weapon of choice.

Premier Smith plans to restrict medical treatments trans kids may seek, including prohibiting HRT, puberty blockers for children and teens under 15 years of age and instating a total ban on gender-related surgery for minors, regardless of individual need.

Parental consent will also be required before any student under 15 will be permitted to use a different pronoun and name than the one given at birth, and transgender women will not be able to join female sports teams.

Canadian Health Minister Mark Holland, told reporters;

"The decision that was made by Alberta places kids at risk. We know that one of the number one reasons why kids take their life is problems around sexual identity,"

"I think it's extremely dangerous to engage in this kind of thing, which is, I think, playing politics when you're talking about children's lives.” he added.

Employment and Workforce Development Minister Randy Boissonault, the first openly LGBT MP from Alberta, called the rules proposed by Smith as "draconian".

Labor Minister Seamus O'Regan tweeted; "Trans kids aren't supposed to be part of your political strategy"

Smith concluded the rollout of the planned legislation with the same old, "We want to make sure that those adult decisions are made as adults," and added, "Issues involving kids' reproductive health are not a political stunt."

She stated these rules would be implemented in the fall.

Federal Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre stated in November of last year, that Trudeau "does not have a right to impose his radical gender ideology on our kids and on our schools,"

Add to that, the fact that in early September at the Conservative Party of Canada’s annual convention, delegates introduced and voted to to add new social conservative policies to their policy playbook, including a proposal to limit access to transgender health care for individuals under 18 years of age.

They proceeded to introduce the anti-trans measures, despite endless warnings from within the party, that these policies will almost certainly be weaponized by their political opponents, and could hurt their standing among more moderate voters.

A strong majority of 69% of delegates on hand voted for a motion that stated children should be prohibited from gender-related "life-altering medicinal or surgical interventions, including hormone-related treatments that delay puberty or promote the development of masculine or feminine sex characteristics.”

Conservative leader, Poilievre was a part of that 69%, voting for these transphobic and hate-based policies to become a permanent part of the Conservative Party of Canada’s official public policy.

Michelle Badalich, a delegate from Edmonton, Alberta, stated that gender dysphoria is a "mental health disorder" which should be addressed via treatment and not "irreversible procedures."

"Please protect our kids," she said to thunderous applause.

87% of delegates also overwhelmingly voted in support of a plan which would demand spaces exclusively open to “women”, a term which Conservatives now define as a "female person".

This measure would ban transgender and other gender-diverse people from women's prisons, shelters, locker rooms and washrooms.

Badalich claimed it’s "not extremist" demanding that what she calls "biological women" maintain a safe space, free from anyone who was not born a girl.

An especially delightful 15-year-old delegate from Sherwood Park, Alberta told the audience of delegates; "Vote yes to protect your wives and daughters".

The provincial government of Saskatchewan resorted to invoking an obscure constitutional override to pass their own anti-trans legislation. The government took this drastic measure following a court-granted injunction, which was the result of an LGBTQ organization’s challenge.

This bill outlines the same-old “parental right” as the "primary decision-maker" in a child's education.

Bill 137 was successfully passed, following a marathon 40-hour debate session in the provincial legislature.

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe stated that the bill was about "providing parents the right - not the opportunity - to support their children in the formative years of their life”.

The new legislation requires parental consent, should any student under 16 request to be addressed by a new "gender-related name or gender identity" within the school environment.

The policy, and Mr Moe's nearly unprecedented invocation of the notwithstanding clause, which allows provincial legislatures and parliament to override certain portions of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, garnered substantial criticism from many Canadian politicians and activist groups coast to coast to coast.

The new policy forced Commissioner Heather Kuttai to resign from her position, stating, "My husband and I have a kid who is trans,". She went on to call the policy "an attack on the rights of trans, nonbinary, and gender diverse children".

NDP opposition leader Carla Beck, claimed the move represented a backward step in the history of Saskatchewan politics.

Earlier in 2023, a similar policy was invoked by the provincial government of New Brunswick.

How schools address LGBTQ issues has become a flashpoint in Canada. This past September, “Save the Children” rallies were held in most major Canadian cities, in protest of LGBT-inclusive education policies, some drawing counter-protests. These rallies were certainly well-attended, on both the side of protesters, and counter protesters.

When the rallies were announced by organizers , the rhetoric used contained strong fascist and Nazi overtones. This was concerning enough on its own, but what was possibly more concerning, was the silence from right wing politicians. Because, in the case of such rhetoric, silence is tantamount to support.

No one with any standing is advocating for any type of gender-affirming surgeries for trans kids who are under the age of majority. The main points of advocacy are to not block the non-permanent steps which can be taken by trans kids.

These reversible steps have a truly positive effect on the mental health of trans kids, and subsequently greatly reduce instances of suicide within this extremely high risk group. They also delay puberty, and give that person the opportunity to not undergo the devastating physical transformation that occurs during that period.

Because, unlike the reversible steps which can be taken, puberty is much more non-reversible, not to mention, highly traumatic for trans kids.

These are not examples of anecdotal evidence. This is the very concerning reality being faced by all trans Canadians, but especially by Canadian trans women, and trans kids.

This situation is made only more concerning, considering that before the rise of Jordan Peterson, Canada’s cis-gender martyr, negative sentiment toward the trans community was almost exclusively the common localized-type bigotry. A national dialogue simply did not exist.

[drigger]

So are you saying a 12 year old trans person should or should not be permitted to decide for themselves whether or not to take puberty blocking meds?

[SteviiSixxx]

So are you saying a 12 year old trans person should or should not be permitted to decide for themselves whether or not to take puberty blocking meds?

Ideally, every decision should include the child’s parents. Unfortunately, due to conservatives poisoning the well on this issue, there are now so many parents who have formed their opinions concerning trans people and the transition process based solely upon false or otherwise inaccurate information.

As I’ve been through the exact ordeal myself, I know how upsetting the notion of puberty can be. A cis person simply cannot understand how it feels to realize your body is pulling you further from your goal everyday. To know that some of the changes your body is undergoing are either completely irreversible, or reversible with great difficulty, is a very traumatizing experience.

It makes you feel tremendously helpless, and is immensely damaging to the mental health of trans kids. All too often, this is when children completely lose hope. At this point, far too many children decide there is no way forward, and make the heartbreaking choice to end their lives.

Multiple studies have proven puberty blockers to be safe, and their effects mostly reversible. The most serious of the side effects is the risk of infertility. This risk is low, but it certainly should be considered seriously. Another serious potential side effect, is a loss of bone density. Fortunately, this doesn’t normally occur, and in the cases it does, the bone density usually increases to the normal level once the blockers are stopped. They’ve been proven to not affect brain development, or have any other serious side effects besides those mentioned.

…but what do I think?

I totally support school staff accommodating a trans child’s desire to soft transition without parental knowledge. Soft transitioning is a non-legal name change, dressing as the child’s desired gender, hairstyle and anything else which does not involve medicinal or surgical intervention.

When it comes to schools assisting children to obtain puberty blockers, by arranging doctor appointments… I’m not even sure that it could be possible to keep that under wraps for very long.

In the end, I don’t believe that such a thing is feasible or advisable. Regardless of the opinions held by the child’s parents, I don’t think it’s fair for teachers, or other school staff to be put in that intensely personal situation… A situation that could conceivably get them killed.

In a perfect world, parents would always have enough faith in their children to trust that what they were telling them was genuine. Most parents have no problem doing this if their child is telling them something which aligns with the parent’s wider beliefs.

Parents seem to experience much more difficulty accepting things their children tell them, when those thing do not align with the parent’s beliefs. Some love and care for their children enough to rise about their own concerns, and at least, try to maintain an open mind.

Far too many refuse to even consider their children’s requests, and begin a very damaging campaign of gaslighting, manipulation, and anything else they can think of, in an attempt to “save” their children from the only thing which would help them. This is what causes kids to become hopeless. This is what causes kids to commit suicide.

The thought that any parent would rather prolong their child’s suffering, and put them at extreme risk for suicide, personally boggles my mind.

[Tsema]

So are you saying a 12 year old trans person should or should not be permitted to decide for themselves whether or not to take puberty blocking meds?

any child that would require a medical treatment is not onto society to decide, it's the parent jobs to do so. It's not up for debate and the reason is, trans care for youth is not only about puberty blockers, it's about therapist, psycologist, psychiatrist etc. Wich is totally unfair to forbid childrens to have acces too when we push birth control on little girls as young as 8 years old with actual data on how those medicine actually destroy the woman body. Again the trans topic is not a real issue when less then 1% of the population is trans.

The real issue right now is how vulnerable our community is. As adult.
poverty
drug abuse
homelesness
suicide
murder
And the list goes on!

ain't nothing to do with being trans but everything to do on how society treats trans people.

offering child medical support for trans youth is the only option for a healthier community.

[MysterySeeker69]

What the fuck are you talking about ? we dont give birth control to 8 year old girls....

Im with the community and everything but the problem is if you start allowing that you have cases where parents convince or environmental situations causing them to want to do it. The reality is kids are sponges, they want to make adults happy, and for 80% of the cases - kids dont know anything until they are older. Maybe there are fringe cases but I think personally the kids part of the discussion and puberty blockers hurts the whole trans debate. No one wants their kids to worry about this (barring the few real cases of dysphoria) ....the reality is if you allow that people will weaponize kids (disgruntled mothers against fathers, kids trying to fit in - environmental). We love and develop as we will - but barring extreme circumstances - I say dont touch anyone under 18 let them see - most of us changed our identity 3 times in youth - lets not rush to non-reversible decisions .... :P .....how bout that local sports team?

[SteviiSixxx]

What the fuck are you talking about ? we dont give birth control to 8 year old girls....

Im with the community and everything but the problem is if you start allowing that you have cases where parents convince or environmental situations causing them to want to do it. The reality is kids are sponges, they want to make adults happy, and for 80% of the cases - kids dont know anything until they are older. Maybe there are fringe cases but I think personally the kids part of the discussion and puberty blockers hurts the whole trans debate. No one wants their kids to worry about this (barring the few real cases of dysphoria) ....the reality is if you allow that people will weaponize kids (disgruntled mothers against fathers, kids trying to fit in - environmental). We love and develop as we will - but barring extreme circumstances - I say dont touch anyone under 18 let them see - most of us changed our identity 3 times in youth - lets not rush to non-reversible decisions .... :P .....how bout that local sports team?

Are you aware that in Canada, and 23 states in the US, children and teens do not require parental consent, or even parental awareness to be prescribed birth control?

Any child can arrange an appointment with a doctor, to discuss their sexual health, and if they wish, obtain a prescription for birth control.

In fact, not only are children able to do this, it is highly encouraged by the Canadian Paediatric Society that a child discusses their sexual health and overall sexuality with a doctor without the child’s parents present.

It has been proven that children are far more honest and open when their parents aren’t within earshot. As sex is regularly treated as something which is “dirty” or taboo, and something which is often viewed with shame, it is no surprise kids tend to be awkward, and clam-up while in the presence of their parents.

Also, the lovely and delightful Ema was correct in her claim that eight year-olds are sometimes prescribed birth control.

Were you aware that young girls can begin their periods at eight years of age? Guess what that means? They can also get pregnant. While I believe it is rare for a girl to begin having periods, or be on birth control salt such a young age, it is by no means unheard of.

An apology to Ema may be in order, for your explicit and demeaning response to her perfectly valid claim.

Just one last thing about birth control… The potential side effects of oral hormonal birth control are very similar to those posed by puberty blockers. The biggest ones being the identical bone mineral density issues. Do you know what else is associated with a loss in bone mineral density? Pregnancy.

In all cases, bone mineral density rectifies to normal levels once the pregnancy is complete, or the birth control/puberty blockers are stopped.

As women often take birth control right up until menopause, but puberty blockers are stopped relatively early in life, in this sense, puberty blockers are less risky than birth control.

The remainder of rare, but possible side effects closely mirror one another, as well.

So, why are conservatives okay with doctors encouraging young girls to discuss sexuality, contraception and birth control, all without parental presence or knowledge, but not okay with them doing the exact same thing for something of a non-sexual nature, like gender?

You all claim it’s perverted and creepy for medical professionals to provide trans kids any form of gender-affirming care, without parental knowledge. Do you view gender transition as being somehow sexual?

Because it isn’t.

I realize a lot of you have fetishized trans people, and therefore view transitioning as being somehow a sexual thing, which it is not. A person’s sexuality and gender are two very different things. Gender is simply how we identify within society, there is no need to sexualize that too.

Kind of makes you think, doesn’t it?


I completely understand your instinct to protect children, because that is the exact reason we advocate for trans kids. We want to protect them from the intense emotional, mental and physical harm which results from ignoring symptoms of gender dysphoria in children.

Simply ignoring what children tell us, or ‘let them wait and see”, by waiting until they’re eighteen, can negatively affect a child’s development a great deal, due to severe emotional trauma.

I’m sure you remember what it was like going through puberty, while at the same time, discovering who you were as an individual, and beginning to carve out a life for yourself. It can be tricky, and probably not something people want to have to do over.

Growing up, and navigating one’s teenage years is difficult enough in normal circumstances. Doing all of that, while trying to cope with the symptoms of gender dysphoria, can make the task feel extremely daunting, if not downright impossible. These dark emotions can result in truly tragic decisions, including self-harm, or in the worst cases, suicide.

Feeling as though you’re growing up as someone else makes it feel like a waste of time. Try and imagine how that must feel for a child? The knowledge that you are being forced to go through this very difficult stage of life as somebody who isn’t even you.

Because, when you’re living as a gender to which you lack any sense of connection or identity, that person isn’t you. You’re still in there, but much of you is invisible. You have no physical identity beyond that to which you have no connection.

In many important ways, you simply do not exist.

It’s extremely difficult to maintain a proper grip on reality, when you’re trapped beneath a massive pile of emotional rubble. Normal tasks which are already difficult enough, such as your studies, basic social interaction, even being a part of your family unit, all become exponentially more daunting. I cannot emphasize strongly enough, just how much more difficult everything becomes.

Things got very dark for me during my mid-teens. When I started to claim my true identity, by dressing in little t-shirts and skirts, wearing makeup, and styling my hair in a way which most people view as traditionally female, my mother was not pleased. She told me it was “all in my head”, and “I’d get over it all by the time I was an adult”. My mother no longer says that, and seems remorseful for the damage her common approach caused me.

To avoid incurring her soul-crushing wrath, I would wear my real clothes under a boys outfit of hoodie and sweats when leaving the house, only to strip them off as soon as I got around the corner. I’d go to a spot in a small wooded area where I had a mirror hidden, and apply my makeup, and do my hair.

After about twenty minutes, I’d emerge from the woods as the real me. Going from being miserable, and trapped in a box, to feeling truly euphoric, and totally free, is more of a rush than any drug can provide. At least I think. I wouldn’t know, as I’ve never even taken as much as a puff from a cigarette. Stereotypes don’t always apply.

Some might say the path I took was even more dark than drugs could ever be.

Lacking validation at home, I instead turned to the streets, seeking the validation I so desperately needed from random men.

I would sneak out of my bedroom window, nearly every night for two years, dressed in extremely revealing outfits, and walk to areas of Winnipeg known for prostitution. Some nights I wouldn’t get home until 6am, get ready for school.

Not knowing anything about sex work, I only charged a negligible amount for my time. It wasn’t at all about the money for me. I just needed to feel like a girl in every way. Plus, I needed to know if men viewed me as at least, attractive.

I received more validation than I ever could have imagined. But, there was a price I had to pay for the intense rush of long-awaited validation.

It was incredibly dangerous, a lesson some of the men who picked me up taught me the hard way. It scared me at the time, but it was never enough to quell my desire for continued validation of my femininity.

Had I felt like I could express myself freely at home, or out with my friends as my genuine self without the fear of getting caught by my mother, things would never had gotten so out of control.

I was extremely lucky. I didn’t end up becoming a statistic. I survived. I didn’t become tangled up with drugs, even though they seemed to be everywhere. I didn’t want to get high and escape. I only wanted to be able to live as myself, and finally get out from under that pile of emotional rubble I’d been trapped beneath for years.

A couple of years later, my mother finally accepted my genuine identity, and I stopped working the streets. When the ones you love accept the genuine version of yourself, there is no need for the acceptance of others.

Mom is now an extremely outspoken advocate for trans kids and trans rights. I’m glad she has become aware of the difficult reality faced by all trans kids, but there’s a part of me that will never be able to forget.

I’ll never forget how her bigotry caused me to feel like I couldn’t turn to her, and obtained earlier medical intervention… an important step which would have prevented years of intense darkness, extremely risky behaviour, and many, many times where I saw no hope, and almost took my own life.

This is not “just a phase” with the vast majority of young people who identify as trans early in life. Believe me when I say, when you know, you know. There was no doubt. You know when you aren’t the genuine version of yourself, because there is nothing we’re more connected to than ourselves.

You claim that most cases of gender dysphoria are not authentic, stating “for 80% of the cases - kids dont know anything until they are older. Maybe there are fringe cases”. Where did you get that information? Because I assure you it’s not one bit factual.

You make the extremely misogynistic claim that a mother’s desires to support their trans kids, could be a form of child weaponization against their father. Truth is, the overwhelming majority of parents want nothing to do with parenting a trans kid. Basically nobody.

You also state that trans kids might just become trans out of a desire to “fit in”. What in the hell are you even talking about? Fit in?! Do you honestly believe that being trans is considered “cool” in schools all across the country?

Let me tell you this… Being trans doesn’t make you popular. Being trans makes you a target. All of the once bullied kids celebrate any time someone in their school comes out as trans… because all of the negative attention they used to receive, shifts toward the trans student. And I was blessed to be quite passable almost from day one. I was skinny and quite hot, so don’t think about any stupid meme you’ve seen. Kids simply don’t like when classmates transition… at least those raised by bigoted parents.

So, fitting in, is definitely not one of the reason kids “become trans”. In fact, nobody “becomes” trans. You just are. And it’s not some wishy-washy thing you probably get over by adulthood.

Of course there are sometimes kids who get it wrong. Of course there are people who detransition. But those numbers are minuscule, when compared to the number of trans people who claim transitioning was the most rewarding thing they’ve ever done, immediately erasing their symptoms of dysphoria.

The majority of the small percentage of people who change their minds, or who detransition, do so as a result of society’s bigotry, abuse, and hatred towards the trans community. Those are the people who have been pressured, and influenced to become something they are not. Many go back under the pile of emotional rubble, pretending to be somewhere they are not, just to please family, friends, society, or whoever. It’s not the kids. Trans kids know who they are.

Conservatives really need to wake up, and realize that being trans isn’t this glamorous thing you all seem to believe it is. It’s actually quite the opposite. It only makes you “popular” with men who usually only want you for one thing. While I’ve never had any complaints about that, I know a lot of girls who do. A trans person’s trans status always preceded them, and becomes their entire identity.

We are trans, for no other reason than we are trans. This is not a choice, cult or fetish. This is who we are.



Due to the incredibly diminutive level of relevance, I will be ignoring the irrelevant topic of trans athletes.

[Tsema]

What the fuck are you talking about ? we dont give birth control to 8 year old girls....

Im with the community and everything but the problem is if you start allowing that you have cases where parents convince or environmental situations causing them to want to do it. The reality is kids are sponges, they want to make adults happy, and for 80% of the cases - kids dont know anything until they are older. Maybe there are fringe cases but I think personally the kids part of the discussion and puberty blockers hurts the whole trans debate. No one wants their kids to worry about this (barring the few real cases of dysphoria) ....the reality is if you allow that people will weaponize kids (disgruntled mothers against fathers, kids trying to fit in - environmental). We love and develop as we will - but barring extreme circumstances - I say dont touch anyone under 18 let them see - most of us changed our identity 3 times in youth - lets not rush to non-reversible decisions .... :P .....how bout that local sports team?

What exactly did you not understand in my statement, cause you're saying things that are not facts.

Most Trans kids know that they are trans way before they understand any sexual concept.

Absolutely no one is for non-reversible medical treatement for kids. Not even trans people. We are talking about medical ressources like proffessional health care provider who can safely support trans youth to adulthood. Including puberty blockers wich are totally reversible. They have been prescribe to non trans kids for ages, including little boy that develop breast tissue.

it is very interesting to me that trans youth are such in "danger" when again, trans people (including adults) are less then 1% of the population. Where are all the kids protector go when gender affirmative surgeries (wich are non-reversible) are being done to cisgender kids?!

let me give you exemples so you can understand that the issue is not the trans community :

Circumcision

Gynecomastia

Birth control (and yes, they can be prescribe as young as 8 years old)

Breast augmentation (as young as 16 years old)

the list goes on and we may agree to disagree that kids would be too young to get those type of medical treatment but again, it's not happening to trans people. Yet no one is concerned that these treatments are happening to cisgender kids.

What is also interesting to me, as a transwoman who medically transition at the age of 15 years old, is that people (especially men) have a stronger opinion on medical transition when it affect our "reproductive system".

I am not taking hormones now and I stopped 5 years ago. I was taking hrt from the age of 15yo till I was 25. I am fully fonctional now and got my sperm frozen last year with an incredible ammount of viable sperm. My testosteron level are now above average at the age of 30 yo, what exactly are you saying that is not reversible?

I was just in calgary touring and Alberta is the most conservative province in Canada, funny enough it's also the best province for sex workers to make money. ALL MY SESSIONS REQUIRED ME TO CUM.

so let me just put everything more clear so you can understand.

Theres absolutely no trans issues on that matter, only men wanting trans woman to stay fonctionnal so we can fullfill your fantasy.

The hypocrisy on that topic is insane and you guys should invest your energy on protecting us (the adult trans community) that you like to conssume by sexualising our experience. Not kids that are not under your legal guard.

[MysterySeeker69]

no point discussing with someone who cant step back from their position to really discuss.

[Topfox]

So are you saying a 12 year old trans person should or should not be permitted to decide for themselves whether or not to take puberty blocking meds?

Children don't get to make decisions like that. We don't allow children to smoke, drink, watch certain movies, enter certain locations, eat certain foods... The list goes on and on, so why is sterilization a controversial discussion?

There have been zero successful sex change operations. So naturally making a trans CHILD wait until they are an adult is a reasonable position to hold.

[TS_Isla]

I'll put it to you this way, Poilievre states he wants me in a male washroom. As a 130lb girl who produces 0 testosterone and has no muscle mass, I am vehemently opposed to a PM who would force me into male dominated spaces.

[TS_Isla]

it will be a hard balance to find for sure - making people feel loved and supported / but not making everyone want to do it by peer pressure or environment. Some things are better when its a small exclusive group - i dont understand why its pushed so broadly....everyone will seek and find what they want and need eventually

I always find this thinking so interesting. There has never been any evidence to suggest people transition out of social pressure to do so. When the facts and statistics show just how effective gender-affirming care is, you have to ask yourself as a bystander "why do people keep pushing back against the trans community?"

The crux of the issue is we're being played as a pawn in the next election, and it's true that trans identities are a hot button issue right now. But i can tell you none of the conservatives care for data, they play on emotions and fear.

I'm new to escorting, but not new to loving cis-men! Most of the guys I've been with have been straight, and many of them blue-collar. The topic comes up in dating almost as if they forget I'm trans and have a d!ck 😂 even if I was politically and fiscally aligned with the right, I could never vote for them as it'd work against my own personal interests.

[SteviiSixxx]

Well then i think we agree I do want to protect our adult trans ladies they are great! And we both think its not good for super young kids (despite the rare cases of true dysphoria and gender identity - and it is rare) ----I just think it should not be as made commonplace and promoted as its a very personal thing and not something I think every child should be encouraged since it will affect kids that would normally not feel that way (and there are many studies of people regretting it later also) - its a complex issue

Ill say about birth control - it is almost nonexistant at 8 - thats not really an argument ....no one is giving an 8 year old birth control unless they have a really fucked up family life. and birth control while i agree is really bad for their hormones . does not fundamentally change their body makeup and make them skip puberty. although i think we will find the pill has been actually really bad for girls in general

it will be a hard balance to find for sure - making people feel loved and supported / but not making everyone want to do it by peer pressure or environment. Some things are better when its a small exclusive group - i dont understand why its pushed so broadly....everyone will seek and find what they want and need eventually

and regarding the fantasy thing - sure many of the community like that or vers / but we like very lady like girls also ; personally Nikki is one of the best and she is super feminine and amazing in every way Theres definitely a taboo aspect that excites us - but like anything there are dom, vers and submissive guys - it shouldnt change what you do. if you are stopping your own thing because u feel we want it - its not about you anymore - its because you are doing it for the money or market? Or do you get off more on fulfilling our fantasy and pleasing your partner? im honestly very interested...... :P

I think whatever happens in the bedroom, whatever people do to get off their partners - is up to them and is judgment free. Its raw and honest, and we do things in the passion that we would never normally do - because you know it turns them on (ie spitting, choking, roleplay etc) ....I do love that Good luck with everything - its nice to see from both sides <3

and Stevii TLDR - WTF...:P .....People in the right environment can be made to do anything - look at the prisoner guard experiment - people will hurt and torture each other in the right circumstance. If you think environment cant shape your sexuality you are sadly mistaken - why is trans so big in brazil and philippines? all social norms and behaviors/actions have a viral effect. But im sorry you had that difficulty in your life for real - it definitely sucks feeling different and unaligned with groups like an outsider. Im just saying we cant generalize our own experiences for a mass group / you cant let yourself be polarized by all the media. And alot of it seems like people want to be validated, feel wanted, and sometimes voids in our life we fill with the flesh, and gratification - i know i do alot :S Its different for each of us but we are seeking ourselves, and a group or people that loves us. And sometimes just the high adrenaline of a very naughty partner! lol....but thats just my very narrow opinion......good luck ladies!

To be continued Ema
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Let me begin by complimenting you on your rare ability to inject your unique brand of sexuality into a conversation about the rights of trans women, and trans children.

Jesus, dude… read the room. Oh my God, why would you ever deem it appropriate to bring that up so publicly?

As anyone with eyes, and the ability to read and comprehend the written word can easily see, you’re a massive hypocrite, who has an intense admiration of theories which are convenient and easy to express. Truth and reality be damned…

“compassion and understanding only makes life more difficult, and who really enjoys researching factual information, when conservatives distribute inaccurate but effective bullet form talking points, saving us the bother?”

-typical lazy conservative windbag who enjoys shooting their mouth off concerning topics they actually know and care very little about, but are a literal matter of life of death to those whom said topics ultimately involve and affect.

As usual, and true to the conservative brand, you basically ignored every point I made. (even the ones I freshly researched as I wrote my reply) Instead, choosing to toss out a couple of irrelevant “facts” from extremely different cultures.

Why do I think there are so many trans women in Brazil?

Unlike yourself, I didn’t simply regurgitate a response I’ve heard other people spit out, as a diversion to disguise the fact I don’t have a clue about this topic, or actually care enough to learn. The truth is, I am quite knowledgeable in the area of trans issues, and I care enough to keep learning everyday.

It turns out that “travestis” have a strong cultural relevance in Brazil, rooting back the indigenous peoples respect for transmasculine and transfeminine third genders, which preceded the area’s colonization by white Europeans.

Of course, colonization brought capture, torture, arrests, censorship, and the attempted eradication of the travestis, (along with an abundance of sexual assaults, because, this is “a complex issue” which most straight men have a very hard time navigating)

Travestis finally gained rights under the law in 1992, thanks to the first political travestis organization advocating for HIV care and against police brutality.

In 1997, experimental gender-affirming surgeries were approved, until 2008, when the surgeries became covered under the Brazilian unified health system.

Free from the intense government scrutiny and persecution which had been the norm since colonization, trasvestis received some relief from the arrests, incarcerations and executions, and could now receive no-cost, world-class surgery. This lead to a ballooning of the Brazilian trans population.

But the conservative-lead bigotry and hatred which has plagued the travestis community for centuries continues to this day, and the effect on the Brazilian trans community has been truly devastating.

Since beginning to track trans murder data in 2008, Brazil has lead the world in annual murders of trans people every single year.

Certainly doesn’t seem to be the trans utopia you seem to believe it is. It seems as though when an idea is somewhat permissible, a lot more people who prescribe to those beliefs will feel emboldened to live in a manner which is a genuine reflection of their true self…

For trans people, that means living as their genuine selves, and leading fulfilling lives, free from the horrors of gender dysphoria.

For conservative fascist bigots, than means the freedom to openly treat others in a bigoted manner. This can sometimes even include murdering the people with whom you take issue, due to your irrational racism, transphobia, homophobia, antisemitism, sexism, or what and whoever else strikes the fear of God deep within you.

Why do you continue to think that being transgender is some kind of exclusive club? It’s as if you either didn’t read what I wrote, or you chose to straight-up ignore it.

I get it. Why would me, a trans person, ever know what being transgender is like? How could I ever know if the trans lifestyle is something to be envied, or desirable?

The fact is that while I love, and take pride in many aspects of my life, and that which I’ve been able to achieve, the vast majority of those milestones and achievements were despite, and not because I am trans.

No one chooses to become trans. Humans are always looking for ways to make their lives easier. Being trans only makes one’s life more difficult… and normal people with common sense know this.

Could you be pressured into becoming a gay, or even bi man, simply by being exposed to gay porn, or the gay lifestyle? If you answered yes, then you’ve always been that way.

While the sex work scene may lend to the notion that trans women live semi-famous lives, filled with luxury and privilege, the reality for most is much more regular and mundane. In the end, we’re just regular people, who suffer a great deal more discrimination, and abuse in our everyday lives than cis people.

Anyone who “becomes” trans for the “perks”, is going to end up mighty disappointed. If someone’s thing is making their lives exponentially more difficult, this is definitely for them… But, I think that type of person is quite rare.

For supposedly being alpha males, conservative men are sure terrified of a lot of things.

You claim I have been polarized by the media.

That is pure projection… and I can prove it.

Up until five or so years ago, trans people weren’t really much of concern, and we certainly weren’t in the centre of a major culture war. We were a very tiny group of people, on the fringe of society. We were quietly dealing with our lives, and managing the best we could. Besides some pricks telling offensive jokes, or getting misgendered now and then, our lives were pretty quiet.

Then, American Republicans found themselves in need of a boogeyman. Lacking any policies which would appeal to actual voters, and only being beneficial to corporate interests, conservatives must scare gullible voters into electing them. They do this by fearmongering over an issue they now people will react to at a highly emotional level.

As they were already riding a wave of relative success on the back of the hyper-inflated, supposedly wide-reaching dark realm of child sex-trafficking, it didn’t take long for Republicans to combine that with their newest group to hate, trans people. Hell, they even did their best to drag gay people back into the fold of mass public hatred, because, they never forgot or accepted the victory that was gay marriage.


Thankfully, it seems as though we hit the high watermark on the trans-panic awhile back. The majority of Republicans have pivoted to the “horrors” of DEI, and diversity in general.

While I’m already sick and tired of hearing everything from the receding quality of Boeing jets, to the shabby appearance of Big Macs being blamed on diverse, equal, and inclusive hiring policies, I don’t mind the fact that the target on my back is beginning to shrink.

Before too long, the hysteria surrounding trans issues will fade into society’s rearview. However, the damage done to the very real lives of trans people will take much longer to fade away.

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I'll put it to you this way, Poilievre states he wants me in a male washroom. As a 130lb girl who produces 0 testosterone and has no muscle mass, I am vehemently opposed to a PM who would force me into male dominated spaces.

At six feet tall, and one-hundred and ninety pounds I would also describe my opposition as vehement.