Serious question for the trans women here.

[TS_Isla]

At six feet tall, and one-hundred and ninety pounds I would also describe my opposition as vehement.

I understand that was silly of me to say as women come in different heights and sizes.

[SteviiSixxx]

I understand that was silly of me to say as women come in different heights and sizes.

Oh no, not silly at all. While I could possible handle the situation better, due to my size, your safety will be seriously be threatened if you are forced to use a men’s room.

There are a lot of men who will be extremely offended if this becomes law.

[TS_Isla]

Oh no, not silly at all. While I could possible handle the situation better, due to my size, your safety will be seriously be threatened if you are forced to use a men’s room.

There are a lot of men who will be extremely offended if this becomes law.

I used to think that many who oppose transwomen's rights to integrate into society as women simply hadn't met a transwoman before. I realized a long time ago that conservatives are masters of cognitive dissonance.

It's pretty alarming to know how many men screw us yet still have such a shallow understanding of our experiences.

[SteviiSixxx]

I used to think that many who oppose transwomen's rights to integrate into society as women simply hadn't met a transwoman before. I realized a long time ago that conservatives are masters of cognitive dissonance.

It's pretty alarming to know how many men screw us yet still have such a shallow understanding of our experiences.

I’m sure some of them larp as anti-trans advocates around their friends.

Hopefully nobody here would ever do such a thing…

[TS_Isla]

I’m sure some of them larp as anti-trans advocates around their friends.

Hopefully nobody here would ever do such a thing…

Girl, on my socials it's always the far-right fascists sending me unsolicited pics of their meat and bootyholes.

[SteviiSixxx]

Girl, on my socials it's always the far-right fascists sending me unsolicited pics of their meat and bootyholes.

If we could only get them to see us as humans, who just happen to be incredibly hot as well…

I wonder how they actually see us?

[SteviiSixxx]

Children don't get to make decisions like that. We don't allow children to smoke, drink, watch certain movies, enter certain locations, eat certain foods... The list goes on and on, so why is sterilization a controversial discussion?

There have been zero successful sex change operations. So naturally making a trans CHILD wait until they are an adult is a reasonable position to hold.

Actually Topfox, we do allow children of any age consult with a doctor, and discuss their sexuality, sexual health, safe sex practices, and to even obtain birth control without parental knowledge or consent. It’s actually enshrined in federal law not only in Canada, but in twenty-three US states as well.

In Canada, this is not only permitted, but encouraged by healthcare professionals. When a child is not in the presence of their parents, they’re a lot more honest, because they’re not worrying about upsetting a parent. This is crucial when discussing sexual topics, to ensure the child is being completely honest about their sexual activity, menstrual cycle, and sexual history.

It also provides an opportunity to privately report any sexual assaults the child may have experienced, without a parent hovering nearby, who may be keeping the child quiet for fear of being exposed.

As a child can enter puberty as young as eight years old, this conversation and sexual counselling could be occurring at a very young age. Of course, that is extremely rare, but between age 10-13, most girls have started menstruating… Isn’t that right in line with the time most trans kids might start considering the path they may desire?

If a child of 8-13 can consult with a doctor, and be prescribed birth control, without parental knowledge or consent, are puberty blockers following the same model really that much of a stretch?

I’m not sure exactly what you meant by “why is sterilization a controversial discussion?“, but I can only assume you either think, or are implying that puberty blockers cause a loss of fertility. This is mostly false.

While in a very small percentage of cases, a person on puberty blockers may become infertile, the risk is extremely low. The only time this is an actual concern, is if the patient is taking puberty blockers, and is on HRT (hormone replacement therapy) simultaneously.

Therefore, it is important for any teen on puberty blockers, to not be doing HRT as well. Even if they did take both together, the risk remains quite low. But as puberty blockers provide a much more effective method of preventing the unwanted gender’s physical traits, than HRT, delaying HRT until the patient is an adult, and off puberty blockers is not an issue.

Your suggestion that “making a trans CHILD wait until they’re an adult” to start gender affirming care, is not only a totally unreasonable position to hold, it’s a cruel form of punishment.

No child should be forced into a position where they must endure lifelong gender dysphoria, as a result of physical characteristics they can no longer change, because it either can’t be done, or they cannot afford to have the required procedure.

I cannot think of a rational reason for putting one’s child through, what I and thousands of trans people can attest, is a nightmare. To a trans kid, puberty is like being trapped in a small room you can’t escape. Only, in their case, the small room is their body. A body which is working against them, dragging them further away from their genuine selves a little more every day.

Parental comfort and convenience certainly do not even come close to measuring up as viable excuses … and guess what? That’s what most parents cite as their main reason for disallowing their child, gender affirming care. All too often, gender affirming care ends up being life-saving care… Or, at least it would have been, had the child been permitted to receive it.

Considering post-transition regret occurs within 1% of trans individuals, and trans people only make up 1% of the entire population, we’re talking about an extremely small number of cases.

So, stop saying trans kids are too young to make this decision. That’s fucking bullshit. If you didn’t know before, you have no excuse now. Kids have made this very decision thousands of times, with only a 1% failure rate. Basically nothing else has that high of a success rate. Gender affirming care is the nearly guaranteed cure to relieve the emotional and physical pain associated with gender dysphoria, and the effects are instantaneous.

When it’s all laid out in the open, it’s easy to see that denying a child the gender affirming care they so desperately require, is nothing short of child abuse. Preventing your child from being who they really are, and subsequently raising their risk of suicide exponentially is truly evil… and it should not be legally allowed. But it is.

As a result stubborn parents, afraid of what their friends might think, are denying their kids the medical care they need to be okay, each and every day. With too many of those kids taking matters into their own hands, in the darkest way imaginable… society has to turn around, and stop associating trans lives with erotic fantasies.

You all keep saying “stop sexualizing our children”, then to only turn around and sexualize trans kids. It hypocritical and gross. This is our lives, and our survival. Get over yourselves.

All I can say is thank God I didn’t have you as a parent. My mother certainly wasn’t perfect either, but given a little time to adjust, she came around, and understood how serious I was, and how desperately I needed to live my life as the genuine version of myself. I guarantee I would not be here today, had I not been permitted to make the decisions and changes I did.

I can’t imagine the guilt and regret the parents of trans kids who commit suicide must feel. That’s not something you can probably ever get over.

Finally, I will address your smug suggestion that the has never been a successful sex change.

Of course there has been. Nothing but more technically irrelevant foolishness to distract from the overwhelming evidence to support transition for individuals who are transgender.

I know what you mean. And you are correct. We cannot change chromosomes, and other deep building blocks of the sex of which we were born. But, to be totally honest, no trans person gives a damn about microbiology on that level.

Ultimately, anytime a patient is satisfied with the results of their SRS, (sex-reassignment surgery) and their life and outlook are positively changed, the sex change is successful. Period.

That being said, the number of SRS which fail is still far too high, at 10-15% of all procedures.The resulting negative effects on the trans person who experiences a failed SRS are devastating, even looping back around to being a high risk factor for suicide. Therefore, surgeons who perform SRS must keep improving, and developing new procedures, to ensure the failure rate continues to shrink, until it reaches an acceptable rate in line with other surgical procedures.

[Topfox]

Actually Topfox, we do allow children of any age consult with a doctor, and discuss their sexuality, sexual health, safe sex practices, and to even obtain birth control without parental knowledge or consent. It’s actually enshrined in federal law not only in Canada, but in twenty-three US states as well.

In Canada, this is not only permitted, but encouraged by healthcare professionals. When a child is not in the presence of their parents, they’re a lot more honest, because they’re not worrying about upsetting a parent. This is crucial when discussing sexual topics, to ensure the child is being completely honest about their sexual activity, menstrual cycle, and sexual history.

It also provides an opportunity to privately report any sexual assaults the child may have experienced, without a parent hovering nearby, who may be keeping the child quiet for fear of being exposed.

As a child can enter puberty as young as eight years old, this conversation and sexual counselling could be occurring at a very young age. Of course, that is extremely rare, but between age 10-13, most girls have started menstruating… Isn’t that right in line with the time most trans kids might start considering the path they may desire?

If a child of 8-13 can consult with a doctor, and be prescribed birth control, without parental knowledge or consent, are puberty blockers following the same model really that much of a stretch?

I’m not sure exactly what you meant by “why is sterilization a controversial discussion?“, but I can only assume you either think, or are implying that puberty blockers cause a loss of fertility. This is mostly false.

While in a very small percentage of cases, a person on puberty blockers may become infertile, the risk is extremely low. The only time this is an actual concern, is if the patient is taking puberty blockers, and is on HRT (hormone replacement therapy) simultaneously.

Therefore, it is important for any teen on puberty blockers, to not be doing HRT as well. Even if they did take both together, the risk remains quite low. But as puberty blockers provide a much more effective method of preventing the unwanted gender’s physical traits, than HRT, delaying HRT until the patient is an adult, and off puberty blockers is not an issue.

Your suggestion that “making a trans CHILD wait until they’re an adult” to start gender affirming care, is not only a totally unreasonable position to hold, it’s a cruel form of punishment.

No child should be forced into a position where they must endure lifelong gender dysphoria, as a result of physical characteristics they can no longer change, because it either can’t be done, or they cannot afford to have the required procedure.

I cannot think of a rational reason for putting one’s child through, what I and thousands of trans people can attest, is a nightmare. To a trans kid, puberty is like being trapped in a small room you can’t escape. Only, in their case, the small room is their body. A body which is working against them, dragging them further away from their genuine selves a little more every day.

Parental comfort and convenience certainly do not even come close to measuring up as viable excuses … and guess what? That’s what most parents cite as their main reason for disallowing their child, gender affirming care. All too often, gender affirming care ends up being life-saving care… Or, at least it would have been, had the child been permitted to receive it.

Considering post-transition regret occurs within 1% of trans individuals, and trans people only make up 1% of the entire population, we’re talking about an extremely small number of cases.

So, stop saying trans kids are too young to make this decision. That’s fucking bullshit. If you didn’t know before, you have no excuse now. Kids have made this very decision thousands of times, with only a 1% failure rate. Basically nothing else has that high of a success rate. Gender affirming care is the nearly guaranteed cure to relieve the emotional and physical pain associated with gender dysphoria, and the effects are instantaneous.

When it’s all laid out in the open, it’s easy to see that denying a child the gender affirming care they so desperately require, is nothing short of child abuse. Preventing your child from being who they really are, and subsequently raising their risk of suicide exponentially is truly evil… and it should not be legally allowed. But it is.

As a result stubborn parents, afraid of what their friends might think, are denying their kids the medical care they need to be okay, each and every day. With too many of those kids taking matters into their own hands, in the darkest way imaginable… society has to turn around, and stop associating trans lives with erotic fantasies.

You all keep saying “stop sexualizing our children”, then to only turn around and sexualize trans kids. It hypocritical and gross. This is our lives, and our survival. Get over yourselves.

All I can say is thank God I didn’t have you as a parent. My mother certainly wasn’t perfect either, but given a little time to adjust, she came around, and understood how serious I was, and how desperately I needed to live my life as the genuine version of myself. I guarantee I would not be here today, had I not been permitted to make the decisions and changes I did.

I can’t imagine the guilt and regret the parents of trans kids who commit suicide must feel. That’s not something you can probably ever get over.

Finally, I will address your smug suggestion that the has never been a successful sex change.

Of course there has been. Nothing but more technically irrelevant foolishness to distract from the overwhelming evidence to support transition for individuals who are transgender.

I know what you mean. And you are correct. We cannot change chromosomes, and other deep building blocks of the sex of which we were born. But, to be totally honest, no trans person gives a damn about microbiology on that level.

Ultimately, anytime a patient is satisfied with the results of their SRS, (sex-reassignment surgery) and their life and outlook are positively changed, the sex change is successful. Period.

That being said, the number of SRS which fail is still far too high, at 10-15% of all procedures.The resulting negative effects on the trans person who experiences a failed SRS are devastating, even looping back around to being a high risk factor for suicide. Therefore, surgeons who perform SRS must keep improving, and developing new procedures, to ensure the failure rate continues to shrink, until it reaches an acceptable rate in line with other surgical procedures.

The primary function of sex organs is reproduction.

There have been no successful sex changes because they have not successfully allowed a trans woman to give birth or vice versa. Every single example of a trans couple giving birth involves then reverting to their genetic reproductive organs.

it's sterilization because after you transition you better get right with the idea that you will never have children.

And just because we politically started allowing children to discuss sterilizing themselves doesn't change the fact that we protect them from everything else we deem harmful or too far above their current decision making, but when it comes to allowing them to sex change we are now stuck on stupid.

And they commit suicide because most of them have mental health disorders that are never addressed.

Look, Some people might really see themselves as trans, all their life. Well guess what if they make the decision at 18 it's still perfectly fine. And they will be better education and have a better understanding. Making it at 12 is reckless.

So yeah it's devastating as a parent to find out your child still killed themselves even after embracing all their whims to transition. That's unfortunately is your fault. You let your child raise themselves.


I have no problem with the trans community, I wouldn't let my children touch a single medication or hormone blocker until they turned 18. Therapy, discussions. Education , if they really want to do it at 18 then I'll support it. If they don't agree with my decision that's too bad. If they want to hate me, I'm good with that. But I will not support any decision to transition before 18 and I would make it loud and clear that I don't support it every opportunity given.

I'm not your father. What your parents did for you is not my business. What I do for my children is.

[justvisiting2016]

Every trans person I have known over the years, and this is without exception, weren't 100 percent on being sure they were transgendered until they were in their mid to late teens. They could look back in hindsight and see the feelings and behaviour and realize they were born trans, but it took many years of development to really get there. Obviously I am a one person sample size, but I have had these talks with enough people to feel pretty solid that it is very common to need that much time to get there. Someone who is 8 - 12 years old is mostly going to decide they are trans based on suggestions and guidance from adults.

As such, that leaves a very wide net to cast on the children. it could end up catching the girl who doesn't fit in because she likes to work on cars with her dad, or the girl who gets breasts early and gets made fun of at school and has massive body issues. Then you find out years later they weren't transgender.

So, I do think, it is fair and reasonable to have a discussion on specific ages that someone should be allowed to accept hormone therapy and physical surgeries. Blocking puberty has lifelong consequences and if you happen to be wrong, it can be a disaster. It is not evil or horrible to discuss ages of consent and maturity for very serious decisions.

Just some other thoughts to add to the pile from someone who has dated, been in relationships with, and had friends who are transgender.

[TS_Isla]

Blocking puberty has lifelong consequences and if you happen to be wrong, it can be a disaster. It is not evil or horrible to discuss ages of consent and maturity for very serious decisions.

Isn't it funny how people always talk about the "irreversible damage" of gender affirming care, yet never speak on the ACTUAL harm of being FORCED through wrong puberty?

I knew I was trans at 14, the idea was bouncing around my brain from the age of 4. The fact is I've spent thousands undoing the ramifications of my natal puberty.

Give me sources of the massive risks and lifelong consequences, until then you guys are just blowing smoke up each other's asses.

[TS_Isla]

And they commit suicide because most of them have mental health disorders that are never addressed.

What an odd conclusion you're jumping to. Did you ever stop to consider maybe being ostracized by broader society and having health-care gatekept could be the reason for the high suicide rates?

[justvisiting2016]

Isn't it funny how people always talk about the "irreversible damage" of gender affirming care, yet never speak on the ACTUAL harm of being FORCED through wrong puberty?

I knew I was trans at 14, the idea was bouncing around my brain from the age of 4. The fact is I've spent thousands undoing the ramifications of my natal puberty.

Give me sources of the massive risks and lifelong consequences, until then you guys are just blowing smoke up each other's asses.

This is the problem. The online outrage culture is teaching you to just lash out at people and there is no conversation.

If a boy skips puberty for example; there is an affect on his body growth (muscle mass, height ,etc), ability to produce children, orgasms (which dont matter then but when you are 21 they sure as heck matter), hair growth, voice, etc. if you get it wrong and the kid isn't trans, they have to face life long consequences.

You just said it took you to be 100 percent certain at age 14. Which was exactly my point, every trans person i ever met came to that conclusion in that mid teen to late teen time frame. So it is not unreasonable to have a discussion about having kids wait until they are a certain age (14-16 kind of thing) before making body altering decisions.

You are correct that if someone is transgender, skipping puberty is very good for their long term health. what you are missing is, by allowing that decision to be made for people at the age of 8-12 you will cast such a wide net and get it wrong too many times to be an acceptable risk. That is what the age limit discussion is really about. "What if a highly suggestible 9 year old is put down the wrong path when they aren't actually transgender:". There is a ton of collateral damage to think about. There is a growing volume of people in their late teens and early 20s who are detransitioning as they werent transgender but went into medications and physical surgeries before they were 100 percent sure. (you can chose to ignore that, but its out there).

I understand all the bullshit, assholes, phobes, etc. out there and it clouds the issue. But as a reasonable person who has been involved with transgender people throughout my adult life either as friends, dating, business associates, etc I feel it is fair to talk about age limits without turning it into a screaming match. There is a case to be made that the amount of kids that "might get it wrong" is a major concern and should be considered. I am not saying I am 100% right, but we should at least be able to talk about it without the online culture of screaming names at someone who dares to question your positions. You may wish to hate me because I want to have this debate and can understand the pros and cons, but I don't hate you. I value you and all transgender people very much even if you feel 8 year olds should be able to make the decision and I think we should hold off until age 14 or 15 just to be sure we don't make a mistake with some kids.

[TS_Isla]

This is the problem. The online outrage culture is teaching you to just lash out at people and there is no conversation.

If a boy skips puberty for example; there is an affect on his body growth (muscle mass, height ,etc), ability to produce children, orgasms (which dont matter then but when you are 21 they sure as heck matter), hair growth, voice, etc. if you get it wrong and the kid isn't trans, they have to face life long consequences.

You just said it took you to be 100 percent certain at age 14. Which was exactly my point, every trans person i ever met came to that conclusion in that mid teen to late teen time frame. So it is not unreasonable to have a discussion about having kids wait until they are a certain age (14-16 kind of thing) before making body altering decisions.

You are correct that if someone is transgender, skipping puberty is very good for their long term health. what you are missing is, by allowing that decision to be made for people at the age of 8-12 you will cast such a wide net and get it wrong too many times to be an acceptable risk. That is what the age limit discussion is really about. "What if a highly suggestible 9 year old is put down the wrong path when they aren't actually transgender:". There is a ton of collateral damage to think about. There is a growing volume of people in their late teens and early 20s who are detransitioning as they werent transgender but went into medications and physical surgeries before they were 100 percent sure. (you can chose to ignore that, but its out there).

I understand all the bullshit, assholes, phobes, etc. out there and it clouds the issue. But as a reasonable person who has been involved with transgender people throughout my adult life either as friends, dating, business associates, etc I feel it is fair to talk about age limits without turning it into a screaming match. There is a case to be made that the amount of kids that "might get it wrong" is a major concern and should be considered. I am not saying I am 100% right, but we should at least be able to talk about it without the online culture of screaming names at someone who dares to question your positions. You may wish to hate me because I want to have this debate and can understand the pros and cons, but I don't hate you. I value you and all transgender people very much even if you feel 8 year olds should be able to make the decision and I think we should hold off until age 14 or 15 just to be sure we don't make a mistake with some kids.

no I def don't hate you or anyone tbh, but i think you're misinformed. No kid is undergoing any kind of medical transition by age 8, nor should they be. Puberty blockers can be administered at 14, and hormones at 18, or in extreme circumstances, earlier.

[Tsema]

This is the problem. The online outrage culture is teaching you to just lash out at people and there is no conversation.

If a boy skips puberty for example; there is an affect on his body growth (muscle mass, height ,etc), ability to produce children, orgasms (which dont matter then but when you are 21 they sure as heck matter), hair growth, voice, etc. if you get it wrong and the kid isn't trans, they have to face life long consequences.

You just said it took you to be 100 percent certain at age 14. Which was exactly my point, every trans person i ever met came to that conclusion in that mid teen to late teen time frame. So it is not unreasonable to have a discussion about having kids wait until they are a certain age (14-16 kind of thing) before making body altering decisions.

You are correct that if someone is transgender, skipping puberty is very good for their long term health. what you are missing is, by allowing that decision to be made for people at the age of 8-12 you will cast such a wide net and get it wrong too many times to be an acceptable risk. That is what the age limit discussion is really about. "What if a highly suggestible 9 year old is put down the wrong path when they aren't actually transgender:". There is a ton of collateral damage to think about. There is a growing volume of people in their late teens and early 20s who are detransitioning as they werent transgender but went into medications and physical surgeries before they were 100 percent sure. (you can chose to ignore that, but its out there).

I understand all the bullshit, assholes, phobes, etc. out there and it clouds the issue. But as a reasonable person who has been involved with transgender people throughout my adult life either as friends, dating, business associates, etc I feel it is fair to talk about age limits without turning it into a screaming match. There is a case to be made that the amount of kids that "might get it wrong" is a major concern and should be considered. I am not saying I am 100% right, but we should at least be able to talk about it without the online culture of screaming names at someone who dares to question your positions. You may wish to hate me because I want to have this debate and can understand the pros and cons, but I don't hate you. I value you and all transgender people very much even if you feel 8 year olds should be able to make the decision and I think we should hold off until age 14 or 15 just to be sure we don't make a mistake with some kids.

Theres absolutely no facts about what you're saying. It's an opinion, wich is valid but still not a fact.

Again, I was a child with very openminded parents and started puberty blockers in 2008. I was 14. This was medicine already used for trans and not trans kids. I'm now 30 and i've stopped all hrt 5 years ago. I can fully reproduce and have had frozen sperms for 3 years now.

there's no actual debate because people are fighting over things that are not happening.

SO many trans kids went trought that medical journey and they are totally fine. An other interesting fact about "detransitioner" is that 100% of those people (wich is 1% of a community less then 1% of the population) did not have acces to medical proffessional who actually work with trans people, specialist. That is call malpractice and trans people do not support that.

The real question is, why people would focus on things that are not real when statistic and researches are showing what is beneficial for the trans community.

the answer is simple.

Men want transwoman fonctional. Sperm. Erection. Etc.

It was and never will be about kids/reproductive systeme.

[SteviiSixxx]

The primary function of sex organs is reproduction.

There have been no successful sex changes because they have not successfully allowed a trans woman to give birth or vice versa. Every single example of a trans couple giving birth involves then reverting to their genetic reproductive organs.

it's sterilization because after you transition you better get right with the idea that you will never have children.

And just because we politically started allowing children to discuss sterilizing themselves doesn't change the fact that we protect them from everything else we deem harmful or too far above their current decision making, but when it comes to allowing them to sex change we are now stuck on stupid.

And they commit suicide because most of them have mental health disorders that are never addressed.

Look, Some people might really see themselves as trans, all their life. Well guess what if they make the decision at 18 it's still perfectly fine. And they will be better education and have a better understanding. Making it at 12 is reckless.

So yeah it's devastating as a parent to find out your child still killed themselves even after embracing all their whims to transition. That's unfortunately is your fault. You let your child raise themselves.


I have no problem with the trans community, I wouldn't let my children touch a single medication or hormone blocker until they turned 18. Therapy, discussions. Education , if they really want to do it at 18 then I'll support it. If they don't agree with my decision that's too bad. If they want to hate me, I'm good with that. But I will not support any decision to transition before 18 and I would make it loud and clear that I don't support it every opportunity given.

I'm not your father. What your parents did for you is not my business. What I do for my children is.

I will stop short of classifying your reply under “stuck on stupid”, because I sincerely don’t believe the argument you’ve presented is reflective of your clear intelligence.

Instead, I’m going to file your rebuttal under “standard willful ignorance”, for its inclusion of, and reliance upon complete non-issues. The dead-horse that is surgical intervention for adolescent and under-eighteen trans kids, is a long played-out red herring, we shouldn’t even be wasting time on its discussion.

As I value fully-formed opinions based on the entirety of information available, I expose myself to information sources from various political leanings. Because of this, I understand how you could believe surgical intervention is commonplace for trans kids who are under eighteen.

It’s honestly shocking how many right-leaning news outlets have spread blatantly untrue information around this issue, for no other reason than to advance their narrative that kids are undergoing gender-affirming surgeries.

This is another case of the right calling for policy which is already firmly in place, and acting as if it is not. Thanks to decades of bending the knee to their corporate overlords, fearmongering is the only remaining conservative policy platform, and their only path to election.

Not only are minors not receiving surgical intervention in 99.9% of cases, there are no advocacy groups with any actual influence calling for this. The overwhelming majority of trans people and advocates are as vehemently opposed to surgery for kids as our conservative counterparts.

The only cases where surgical intervention is supported for trans kids, is in situations where there exists an extreme risk of suicide, or serious self-harm. And, it needs to be extreme. No one wants to be performing irreversible procedures on minors, believe me.

However, as I previously mentioned, regret over transitioning is basically non-existent, at 1% amongst all trans individuals. So yes, trans kids have proven they can be relied upon to not only make these decisions, but to do so in a manner which is correct, long-term and stands the test of time. Despite this, the trans community agrees with limiting surgical intervention to individuals over eighteen years of age.

Now, if only we could get parents to stop allowing their cis children to receive dangerous gender-affirming surgical procedures, such as breast augmentations, and even dangerous Brazilian butt-lift (BBL) surgeries. There is never a shortage of hypocrisy on the right, and on this topic, the left as well… At least the left isn’t simultaneously losing their shit over basically the same thing not actually happing to trans kids.

As I’m sure you can tell by the time I have invested into making my contributions to this thread as informative, well researched, and accurate as I possibly could, I take this topic very seriously.

Maybe that’s a result of my having gone through male puberty, and now in my early twenties, dealing with multiple undesirable physical characteristics as a result.

Or maybe, I have the required level of empathy to, not only see the world, people and personal hardships which lie beyond my own nose, but to genuinely care about those things as well. Not because it fits with my politics, necessarily, but because I believe in both facts and giving a shit about the emotional reaction those facts cause in real people.

Now, I must address a very troubling commonality with basically every commenter who has presented an opposing opinion throughout this thread…

Down deep, every commenter with an opposing opinion believes that, in the vast majority of cases, the trans experience to be disingenuous in nature.

That is both hurtful and shocking. Especially in a community which would not even exist, if not for trans people. I’ve never completely understood the argument against allowing trans fetishists into your life on a personal level. However, thanks to the deeply ingrained transphobia I’ve witnessed from so many members of this forum, I finally understand… Thank you… I guess. You’ll know if that applies to you.

The trans experience, and desire to transition to the gender with which you identify, is a genuine and valid life choice.

The manner in which you guys have carried on as if it’s uncommon for it to be anything more than a passing fancy, which people almost always “get over”, is patently false. The fact any of you claim otherwise, is extremely disappointing and beyond disrespectful to the entire trans community.

Because, in fact, the exact opposite is true… a fact I was presenting every time I mentioned the 1% regret rate… but I guess you guys must have missed that…

So yeah it's devastating as a parent to find out your child still killed themselves even after embracing all their whims to transition. That's unfortunately is your fault. You let your child raise themselves.

What a viciously disingenuous statement. Nothing like spinning the absolute shit out of something truly heartbreaking, in an attempt to make it awkwardly fit your bad-faith argument and flawed narrative.

While, of course there are still trans kids, and trans adults who still go onto take their own lives, after receiving an age-appropriate level of gender-affirming care. In over 99.5% of these rare cases, it is not the result of gender-dysphoria, but the result of either one of the many trans-associated negative social or mental issues, or an issue which has nothing to do with the individual’s trans status whatsoever.

Want to know what is an exponentially more common cause of suicide in trans people? The inaccessibility of gender-affirming care… Whether that be the result of a misguided, or bigoted parental unit, or financial, geographical, or whatever other reason. Gender dysphoria is an issue which can be mentally crippling for those who suffer with its effects.

Finally, on the claim there never being a successful sex change procedure, due to the fact post-op trans people lose their reproductive function. You are correct, they do.

However, the purpose of SRS is not to give males the ability to become pregnant, or females the ability to impregnate. These things already exist with pre-op trans individuals, and Lord knows you all lost your shit over that.

The sole purpose of SRS, is to remove as many body issues as possible, responsible for an individual’s gender dysphoria. The result is usually a greatly improved quality of life for the individual. As I mentioned, the current success rate of only 85% shows the need for further improvement still exists.

Reducing a woman’s value to a baby machine is a pretty sexiest stance to take, and sounds like something that moronic Matt Walsh would try to pass off as a well thought-out, intelligent take.

Considering the dipshit defended the “upsides” of American slavery, I can’t say I’m surprised. Bigotry is rarely contained to one group…