Do you think passable transwomen are prettier than non passable transwomen

[kai_says_hi]

Ahh this is an interesting subject and good read. Interesting to hear the differences in perspective over a highly subjective term. Bonus points for someone bringing up Gynephilia (attraction to femininity regardless of gender)

At a high level I'd say being 'passable' correlates with being more attractive but it doesn't cause attractiveness, and there are many outlier examples on both sides.

Since passable is so subjective to the eye of the beholder it's kind of hard to equate it to attractiveness at all. Men can like vastly different types of women. The breadth of face shapes alone out there makes it hard to nail down what's attractive and which shape(s) are the standard of passability.

Speaking just from personal experience living in downtown Toronto where it is generally quite safe, passing rarely crosses my mind. I don't expect to pass, it just doesn't matter. If you think I'm attractive what else is there really. I'd rather be told you like my legs than you think I pass.
Passability as a goal seems like it has two main reasons
1. To stealth in spaces where you don't feel safe
2. To placate men's insecurity about their trans attraction

This outlook isn't going to stop me from wanting to get feminization surgeries to better 'pass', but I still think after all is said people will know I'm trans and that's okay 😁

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Kind of a tangent here, but since people were talking about sexual orientation as it pertains to trans attraction - I find it funny that often enough people on dating sites will tell me they are straight as though I wasn't expecting that. Being straight seems like par for the course to me, but maybe gynesexual is a better term if we want to nitpick about genitals. Either way, I find far fewer men identifying as bisexual/pansexual seem interested and no gay men will look my way for long. Many gay men seem downright confused still about what trans is and can't distinguish it well from drag queens.

[Hoodho]

Ahh this is an interesting subject and good read. Interesting to hear the differences in perspective over a highly subjective term. Bonus points for someone bringing up Gynephilia (attraction to femininity regardless of gender)

At a high level I'd say being 'passable' correlates with being more attractive but it doesn't cause attractiveness, and there are many outlier examples on both sides.

Since passable is so subjective to the eye of the beholder it's kind of hard to equate it to attractiveness at all. Men can like vastly different types of women. The breadth of face shapes alone out there makes it hard to nail down what's attractive and which shape(s) are the standard of passability.

Speaking just from personal experience living in downtown Toronto where it is generally quite safe, passing rarely crosses my mind. I don't expect to pass, it just doesn't matter. If you think I'm attractive what else is there really. I'd rather be told you like my legs than you think I pass.
Passability as a goal seems like it has two main reasons
1. To stealth in spaces where you don't feel safe
2. To placate men's insecurity about their trans attraction

This outlook isn't going to stop me from wanting to get feminization surgeries to better 'pass', but I still think after all is said people will know I'm trans and that's okay 😁

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Kind of a tangent here, but since people were talking about sexual orientation as it pertains to trans attraction. I find it funny that often enough people on dating sites will tell me they are straight as though I wasn't expecting that. Being straight seems like par for the course to me, but maybe gynesexual is a better term if we want to nitpick about genitals. Either way, I find far fewer men identifying as bisexual/pansexual seem interested and no gay men will look my way for long. Many gay men seem downright confused still about what trans is and can't distinguish it well from drag queens.

In 2024 passability isn't even a requirement to be honest. Trans people are far more integrated in society than they were in let's say the 80s where transwomen often times met acts of violence just for existing.

[missjessica]

I've found trans folk who many others don't consider "passable" to be quite "passable" and attractive.
Does passable imply looking like a cis woman AND sounding like a cis woman, or are looks enough?
Passable is pretty subjective; one person may find someone passable while another may not.

I don't think I'm passable, but I somehow manage to live in stealth, because most people either don't figure it out or don't care (re: Canada)
And if I were right about myself, I probably wouldn't have had numerous trans porn stars hit on me and try to get me to top them.
Though, that could be because I'm a fully-functional, endowed top domme, and unicorns are super rare, so maybe they're ignoring how I look.

Passability matters to me, but only about me and whether I'm able to stealth.
I don't care if my partners are able to or if anyone I hang out with can, and it's generally not a factor in my dating someone, but that may be due to how I look and having a lot of options as a result.

And as much as I say that, I do intentionally out myself for entertainment purposes.
My body is my avatar but my face is hidden for obv reasons.