Traveling girls - money mishap

[Rantsalot]

O.k. If these boards are lacking emotion then how about we try and get some back.

Myself I never lack emotion because I appreciate what we can do here and to avoid boredom always challenge myself to think of new topics to say to get things moving. This can be attributed to how I grew up facing hostility and being told that I will never be able to do things......blah blah blah ... whatever.

I find it so funny as of late how I'm hearing from the radio or from watching the tv or reading stuff on this site or other sites that our economy is turning around YET there seems to be many more girls than ever before visiting a slew of cities from coast to coast. Whats even stranger is how some will even take a tour outside of the country to Europe or Asia which is beyond comprehension unless its like just a relaxing getaway type of deal.

You'll just have to believe me when I say this but a few people who have confided in me have said that traveling isn't as good as it once was. Some cities where girls go to now are saturated to the point where interest is low.

What now? Go to smaller cities? Perhaps invest in something?

[sunshine]

I think that is inaccurate Admin

I think the grass may look greener out west but I am sure that that is too simple an answer to Rants point. I agree with you Rants - there is surely an economic reason for an increase in the number of girls travelling.

I am going to be blunt here. The economy is not better for everybody. Maybe for some, things are looking up but there are many more who are facing large financial hurdles. Unemployment and wages are down so many people have less money or no money.

As far as girls travelling, the business has been ruined in many cities in Canada. Some or own Canadian girls have contributed to the problem but also many girls come to work in Canada from other countries. They have the attitude that if they charge less money, they will have more business. Eventually, every girl has to charge less money. Eventually, there isn't even a living to be made. What is a girl to do: travelling to other parts is the only way to break things open by becoming the "temporary" new girl in town. Hopefully, this will attract a higher price.

If girls would have some solidarity and self-respect, they would keep prices at a reasonable level. I know that I cannot expect girls from Guatamala to have solidarity with us but, together, we could oust them and restore the business for ourselves.

For me, I believe I am worth more than just a wink and a couple of peanuts. I demand a fair amount of compensation for what I do. I despise any girl who charges lower rates to "steal" the business from others. This is a losing strategy for all of us.

I know the clients will not be happy to read this but then, if they examine the increadible costs that we have to encur to be the objects of their fantasies, they will agree that it is reasonable that they do their part to help us meet our financial obligations.

I should start a union for the tgirls. What do you think girls?

Sunshine

[Wiseone26]

Vancouver, has gotten really competative over the last year. There is alot of new faces here which in turn has open up alot more options for the guys then the before. Alot are younger, but there is some like Sunshine said that are undercutting. I truly think Vancouver is becoming a hub of activity and continue to be more and more.

That being said with any type of business in the current economy it depends on clients and if clients pocketbook is hurt then it trickles down the line. But Vancouver seems to be doing well.

It'll be interesting in 2010 when the olympics are here, I think there is going to me an influx of girls to take advantage of the increase of population for a couple of months.

[sunshine]

Vancouver and other cities too

Vancouver, has gotten really competative over the last year. There is alot of new faces here which in turn has open up alot more options for the guys then the before. Alot are younger, but there is some like Sunshine said that are undercutting. I truly think Vancouver is becoming a hub of activity and continue to be more and more.

That being said with any type of business in the current economy it depends on clients and if clients pocketbook is hurt then it trickles down the line. But Vancouver seems to be doing well.

It'll be interesting in 2010 when the olympics are here, I think there is going to me an influx of girls to take advantage of the increase of population for a couple of months.

I was recently in Vancouver. I was shocked to discover that the clients had already become accustomed to pay $80 or $100. Just a year ago, it was $250. Sure the clients are happy. They don't care about our business. They will pay as low a price as they can. I understand what you say about the clients pocketbook Paula but the girl needs to ask a reasonable price too. Vancouver is one of those cities that has been ruined for the business by girls charging $40, $80, or $100.

I know the economy is bad but the girls need to have solidarity and self-respect. Ask for more money! By undercutting, you are devaluing your own service and the service of all tgirls (and escorts in general). The clients will pay what they must - it is up to us to set a fair rate.

I am not advocating gouging clients. There is no need for that. Just set a fair rate. Rates vary by locality but, in any locality, charging less than $180 or $200 is just not right.

[sunshine]

not you Paula

I was rereading what I wrote. When I said "you" I did not mean you, Paula. I meant tgirls in general - whoever is reading this thread.

Sunshine

[Wiseone26]

I was rereading what I wrote. When I said "you" I did not mean you, Paula. I meant tgirls in general - whoever is reading this thread.

Sunshine

I know.

[Tasha Jones RIP]

cheap girls

Oh I will total put my 2 cents in on this topic!


I will speak for myself. I moved to London to start a new life as well as get away from Toronto's BS. For the most part, Toronto has been taken over with price wars between the girls and fighting. They keep going lower and lower and the guys are now used to paying anywhere from $60 to $100 for full GFE service for an hour. There is way to many girls which means they have to work and sell themselves harder. There service gets worse because they have to see so many more clients a day just to make enough to live.


London is now going that same route. I will even call this girl right out and not think twice about it. Ashley Fox, has now run to London to start her cheap service here and bringing with her that type of work ethic. When she was here and when the phones slowed down, she was going as low as $60.00 for full service for the hour. I know this because I had a friend call with me on the phone to confirm this. I needed to know what I was up against. How is that fair for anyone trying to work and provide a good service? Really, what kind of girl are you getting thats willing to charge next to nothing?


But guys do not think like that. On the phone she is sounding really good, big dick, nice tits and willing to do almost everything but change your oil in your car, for extra $5 maybe. Then they call me and I am charging what I always charge, but I am not willing to do everything she is, because unlike some, I respect myself. I am not going to say ?Oh yea baby, I will lick your ass? just so I can get you over to my house to make that $60.00. So who would they go see in the end? As well, after getting such a low price, they will never pay what was always charged again.


Going to a new city and taking that Toronto mind set with you, it hurts everyone. I am the only girl that lives in London. So why try to have a price war with only one other girl? Because that is what she is used to doing, that is her work ethic. But you need to look more at why she is only charging $60.00. You also have to look at her past reviews and read what she is into. Ask yourself, is it worth it? Cause if she is willing to lick anyone's ass, really, do you want that mouth all over you, even if it is ? the price from what other girls are charging?


But that is happening in all city's. Ottawa was great to work in, not so much anymore. The prices are going the same route as Toronto, which makes it just not worth it. When your traveling it cost you a lot of money. Hotel, plane fare, cab, food and cell phone charges. If your only going to get paid the same as you do when your in your home city, why bother? Yes there is more clients, but there treatment of us girls has changed. They want more for there money and try to low ball us because the last girl that was there allowed that type of treatment. She went as low as the client wanted to, because for her, it was how much she can make and not the quality of service she provided. If that is what it means to be an escort these days, then I am hanging up my g-string because that is not who I want to be.


So guys who live in those city's are missing out on some great girls who do provide a good service. Who do have good reviews to back up there claim. Who are willing to do what they say on the phone, because again they respect the clients, not just the clients money. That is what it all comes down to is money. Most girls are now forced to look else where to try and make the money we are used to making. I do not want to have to see 5 clients a day when I am only used to seeing 2-3. In the end my service will suffer because I will be more worried about making what I have to make then having fun. I will be forced to say ?sure bring that stinky ass over for me to munch on? just to compete with the other girls.


For me, it is not worth it. This is why I went to school and I am now working in the nursing field. Because I saw first hand that this business is just not what it used to be. It is getting worse and it is getting cheaper and what was the norm in price/service is just not like that anymore because of the Ashley's of the world. Guys who used to go nuts when a new girl was in there city, they are so used to seeing 5-10 girls there all the time are now able to barter in what we can charge.


But ask yourself this, is saving $40 to $90 to see the cheaper girl worth the cheaper service in the end? By supporting that type of girl it is only going to force the girls who are good service providers not to want to travel to your city! Or in Toronto's case, force the good girls to move/travel to other city's to get the money and respect that they should be getting!


But I do see some guys points of view. That some girls are charging way to much for there service. But I think it should be a happy medium. For me, I charge $100-$150 when in London. When in Calgary I charge $200-$250. But if you look at it, in London I do not have extra charges. So me charging extra makes since. I am have a lot of good reviews under my belt, so you know that you are getting a good service. In this world you pay for what you get!


But that is just my view...
Tasha

[Rockheart]

People shouldn't pay what they can get away with.
They should pay what they think is fair.

[Rantsalot]

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Wow. I can't recall the last time I've put out so many posts over the past few days , been a while.

As I mentioned before

Another logical move would be going to smaller cities with populations of 100000 to 500000 where there are NO girls there and whom rarely get visitors OR find something to fall back on. Going to school is never a bad option and perhaps having something on the side like....oh I don't know...invest in real estate or the stock market.

Then again what people say and what people do in the grand scheme of things is also skewed too.

[sunshine]

You said it girl

You said it Tasha. The business is shot. There are even other factors that have contributed. There are so many girls now. In the beginning, there were just a few - he brave ones. Willing to do anything to transform. Out there! Admired! Desired! Now it is just the way of the shemale - an accepted fact of life.

I don't think it is worth mentionning names - there is a mad rush to collect dollars from as many clients as possible before the well runs dry. $40, $60, $80, $100, whatever. Where is your self-worth in all that?

Good on you Tasha for making a move - I am not far behind.

In the meantime, Admin, enjoy the rush while it lasts. I don't necessarilly agree with what you say - only partially. I think the guys should pay what they think is fair but the girls get to decide what is fair too. It is a mutual agreement. Of course, I think clients are happy to pay $40 if that is all a girl asks for so the point is moot.

The girls need to wake up and smell the coffee. Charge reasonable prices of you are killing the business for yourself and everyone else.

Sunshine

[sunshine]

Been there done that

Wow. I can't recall the last time I've put out so many posts over the past few days , been a while.

As I mentioned before

Another logical move would be going to smaller cities with populations of 100000 to 500000 where there are NO girls there and whom rarely get visitors OR find something to fall back on. Going to school is never a bad option of having something on the side like....oh I don't know...invest in real estate or the stock market.

Then again what people say and what people do in the grand scheme of things is also skewed too.

There is no money in small cities - times are hard in most places thanks to the economy. There are jus a few exceptions to that.

Nice on you to try but, being in the business, I can tell you what is going on.

A union would be nice - what do you say girls? (imagine the grievance process)

Sunshine

[sunshine]

sorry

for some reason, I thought it was Admin that said the comment about the guys deciding what was fair. It was Craig. Sorry about that - I am just a little emotional about this topic since I am seeing my job go down the drain.

Susnhine

[Tasha Jones RIP]

small city's

Yes, small city's are wonderful. But here is the problem. Everyone is now doing them. There is not one city in Canada that has not had girls trying it out. West coast was dead for years and now look at it. London was safe till I moved here and then everyone followed. I can also say that small city's are not very profitable. I just did a cross Country tour, and the small city's were slow and more of a pass though for me. London was a good city when I first moved here, now it is very slow. Windsor was a great city to work in, now it is dead.


There are now also too many girls and to little clients. But if I charged $60.00 I am sure my door would not stop spinning, but who would want that life? Who would want to see me knowing what kind of turn over I would have in my bed? As well, I am human, there is only so many times I can get off and enjoy myself for real before I had to start faking it.


The internet has also changed things. It is great in one way and really bad in anther. There is so many more clients who know how to find us in small city's. The problem is the girls. You will see this on SC, when one girl post that they well be traveling to a city the next thing you know someone else is going 1 day before or 1 day after she arrives. Yes, no one owns any city, but it really is about respect.


I will again use myself as an example. Ashley was here and she posted that she was leaving on the 29th. That week she was here I did not post my ad in the paper. That is respect and something girls need to start doing. Work with each other when it comes to traveling rather then only out for themselves. It makes no since. I am going to Calgary this Tuesday, so if anther girl is going around the same time, why not wait a couple of days or go before me, this way we are not competing with each other. But with a city like Calgary now that people know there is money there, you will never have a week when there is no girls.


It is also not just about the girls, but the type of girls a city that has money will attract. Some of the girls who are traveling and seem to like the name change game. There is a reason why they have to travel now. They have already riped off so many clients in there own city, that is the only way for them to make money. But it does not benefit the city or the other girls, it only makes it worse. But again, with the internet some of those girls are exposed and that is why they change there names so often.




This is a really good topic, thank you for starting it.
Tasha

[jimwa]

Small City Thoughts

This is an excellent thread that should be given a lot of thought by men both outside of, and in, the major cities.
It is significant that the main contributors are Sunshine and Tasha who have both made major X-country trips this year, by car, so they could visit cities who would never have the opportunity to meet such professional and top class girls. Check the threads to see the numerous cities these girls visited and try to accumulate the costs of hotels, gas, meals, etc. plus the driving stress and the daily packing & unpacking. It amazes me how they maintain such a positive attitude and provide such great service while on these trips.
If these girls charge $x at their home base is it not reasonable for them to charge $x+ when they are travelling to cover these expenses and stress? Remember they are not on vacation they are working. Does your job involve this sort of schedule?
If you live outside the major cities are you willing to fly to Calgary to see Sunshine or fly to Toronto and drive 2 hours to see Tasha?
These girls are doing us a great service in coming to visit us in our smaller locations and if you want to meet the best then you should be willing to make the appropriate contribution.
While I think Craig's comment is true this applies in any location and the unfortunate thing is that it will stop the top class girls visiting our smaller centres. As Craig knows Sunshine and Tasha have been highlights in our city this year and I hate to think that the undercutting girls will stop future visits.
This is not only a TG problem as we have many GG who visit our city who either offer lower prices or high prices for inferior service.
Get smart guys, you get what you pay for regardless of what you are paying for. If you want the best then pay for the best and if you want inferior service then do not complain when the best is no longer available.

[Tasha Jones RIP]

Maybe to much..sorry

Jimwa, your post made me think about my last trip this summer. I thought to help make all of our points, I might list some of the charges from my last trip and how many clients I would have to do just to make a profit. This might help some of the guys understand what goes into a trip like this.


Here is what I spent on my last tour:
Hotel - $5800.00
Food - $1780.00
Gas - $1350.00
Car & Personal - $800.00
Cell phone - $300.00
Total Cost = $1030.00
My time ? 49 days


In order for me to just cover the cost of this trip charging $200.00 per client. I would have to see at least 1 client every day. When you think about the big picture. I spent 146 hours driving, that takes away 6 days from working. Then there is sleep, which if I was able to get 8 hours a night, would take anther 15 days off my working time. So looking at that would mean I would have to see 2 clients a day just to cover the cost. So in order to make a profit I would have to see 3 to 4 clients a day.


I know, god I have to much time on my hands. But, it was interesting to really look at how much was spent and how much I made. Because as Alyssa will confirm, in some city's I would only see 1 maybe 3 the whole stay. Then there was some days when our phones would die and I would see no one. I also took 2 days off to go to Banff. But then there where days where I saw 6 clients. It is always touch and go and you have to be ready for that rush of clients while still being in that mood to feel like it was your first client of the day.


Thank god I am a horny person and was able to please every client I saw while on my trip.


But then when thinking about the girls under cutting, I would had to have worked double just to break even. That is why some of us girls have such issues with this problem. Why some of us charge more when traveling. It is not only about money but our time away from home as well.


Now to be honest, even though I am one of the top rated girls in Canada. I am on the cheaper side of the price line. Most girls when in Calgary charge between $200 & $400. I prefer $200. I am not greedy and think that is fair for my service. When traveling with Alyssa I had to charge $300 because that is what she was charging. It would have been unfair of me to charge less. But Alyssa has shell we say, a larger weapon, so it makes since she would charge a bit more. It is not the girls that charge more for a service, it is the girls that truly undercut that makes it hard for the rest of us just trying to make a small profit.


Girls charging to much for a service is an issue for you guys. But really, you do not have to see her if you do not think that price is fair. For us girls, we do not have that option. Other lower our price and feel like crap about it so we give poor service Or hold out that the next call will be offering what we are asking. Think about that next time you try and get us to lower our rates. Some of us might agree because we are against a wall and have to, but bet your bottom dollar your service will not be as enjoyable if you had of just paid what we asked.


So, I think I have board everyone and made everyone think, ?god, I only make what she spent on food in a month? So I guess I should not bitch to much...poor me..lol..lol


Tasha