Traveling girls - money mishap

[tslisaparadise]

Jimwa, your post made me think about my last trip this summer. I thought to help make all of our points, I might list some of the charges from my last trip and how many clients I would have to do just to make a profit. This might help some of the guys understand what goes into a trip like this.


Here is what I spent on my last tour:
Hotel - $5800.00
Food - $1780.00
Gas - $1350.00
Car & Personal - $800.00
Cell phone - $300.00
Total Cost = $1030.00
My time – 49 days


In order for me to just cover the cost of this trip charging $200.00 per client. I would have to see at least 1 client every day. When you think about the big picture. I spent 146 hours driving, that takes away 6 days from working. Then there is sleep, which if I was able to get 8 hours a night, would take anther 15 days off my working time. So looking at that would mean I would have to see 2 clients a day just to cover the cost. So in order to make a profit I would have to see 3 to 4 clients a day.


I know, god I have to much time on my hands. But, it was interesting to really look at how much was spent and how much I made. Because as Alyssa will confirm, in some city's I would only see 1 maybe 3 the whole stay. Then there was some days when our phones would die and I would see no one. I also took 2 days off to go to Banff. But then there where days where I saw 6 clients. It is always touch and go and you have to be ready for that rush of clients while still being in that mood to feel like it was your first client of the day.


Thank god I am a horny person and was able to please every client I saw while on my trip.


But then when thinking about the girls under cutting, I would had to have worked double just to break even. That is why some of us girls have such issues with this problem. Why some of us charge more when traveling. It is not only about money but our time away from home as well.


Now to be honest, even though I am one of the top rated girls in Canada. I am on the cheaper side of the price line. Most girls when in Calgary charge between $200 & $400. I prefer $200. I am not greedy and think that is fair for my service. When traveling with Alyssa I had to charge $300 because that is what she was charging. It would have been unfair of me to charge less. But Alyssa has shell we say, a larger weapon, so it makes since she would charge a bit more. It is not the girls that charge more for a service, it is the girls that truly undercut that makes it hard for the rest of us just trying to make a small profit.


Girls charging to much for a service is an issue for you guys. But really, you do not have to see her if you do not think that price is fair. For us girls, we do not have that option. Other lower our price and feel like crap about it so we give poor service Or hold out that the next call will be offering what we are asking. Think about that next time you try and get us to lower our rates. Some of us might agree because we are against a wall and have to, but bet your bottom dollar your service will not be as enjoyable if you had of just paid what we asked.


So, I think I have board everyone and made everyone think, “god, I only make what she spent on food in a month” So I guess I should not bitch to much...poor me..lol..lol


Tasha

i have to give you alot of credit it must have been tough doing a tour like that i know i couldnt do it.even taking away from the fear factor that another tranny could and would make your life hell its still alot of work.this tour probably wouldnt have needed to happen if it werent for the skanks who toured her city LONDON ONTARIO charging half of what Tasha does its not fair and the complete lack of respcet for Tasha and themselves is extremely sad.to make it worse theres a girl there that has been there over 4 weeks charging 60 bucks but little do her clients know there getting much more then sex for there time but quite possably a death sentance i wont come out and say what i know to be true but you read between the lines.as for myself i live in the smallest town of about 70 000 people i work when i want and my phone rings everyday im not greedy i wont work when i dont want to and never ever will i negotiate my price so for the girls out there who have to in order to survive i realize you have to do what you have to do but maybe when your in another city charge the same rate as the others and be fair about it.

[greep]

We live in a free market, capitalistic society. Individuals can charge what they want. If one finds they can't compete, then they need to alter their 'business model' or go into another industry altogether.

On the other side side, guys should ask themselves this question:

Whats better? one average/mediocre session with a average/below avg escort at $150/hr....

or, one awesome session with a gorgeous babe for $400 session?

I personally believe $350-400/hr is too much. $200-300/hr seems to fair in this business. But, as usual, it is more complicated than that.

[Tasha Jones RIP]

Good Points

I agree Lisa, when your in a different city you should charge the going rate. It is only respect, but some girls do not have that respect for themselves, let alone anyone else. She has gone back to Hamilton now, but god knows for how long before she darkens London's clients again.

Greep, you also make a good point and you are right. This is why when she was here I did not bother placing my ads or really even answering my phone. Because most of the guys here in London are from the paper and do not read the websites, so they have no clue who or what there dealing with. All they hear is the low price and everything they will get for that. Compared to what I am offering for my normal price.

This is a really really good topic, I am really enjoying it..thanks again!

[tslisaparadise]

I agree Lisa, when your in a different city you should charge the going rate. It is only respect, but some girls do not have that respect for themselves, let alone anyone else. She has gone back to Hamilton now, but god knows for how long before she darkens London's clients again.

Greep, you also make a good point and you are right. This is why when she was here I did not bother placing my ads or really even answering my phone. Because most of the guys here in London are from the paper and do not read the websites, so they have no clue who or what there dealing with. All they hear is the low price and everything they will get for that. Compared to what I am offering for my normal price.

This is a really really good topic, I am really enjoying it..thanks again!

its a no win situation all i know is tasha and i share some clients together and they all adore her because shes good at what she does and is extremely passable with a big dick lol

[Rose]

Wow, $60? That just seems automatically shifty to me.

[greep]

Tasha, $200/hr, I find that very fair, especially for you, since you look so fucking hot.

As for A.Fox, I personally would not pay $20/hr for her, because she is not my type.

I know there is a new trend in Vegas where some of the regular girls have 'floating price rates' and will not tell you their rates UNTILL they see you.

The thinking is: certain client types should pay more and certain clients types can pay less.

According to one girl I spoke with, Its been succesfull in getting her a small group of regulars WHO she actually enjoys fucking.

BTW, this girl charged me $2000 for the hour. jk,lol.

[sunshine]

the bottom line

Greep, you mention $200 to $400. I think that is a reasonable expectation for a client. For an attractive girl who respects herself and believes in her own value, that is a reasonable range. But when the rate drops below $180, it becomes necessary to run a production line in order to make enough money. As Tasha mentions, who wants to live like that?

Tasha mentions trip costs. I concur with her numbers but I will add a few costs. Do you guys have any idea what it costs for makeup and clothes? Do you want to meet a girl who dresses in Wranglers and construction boots? Who doesn't use makeup and so does not present herself in the best light possible? Then there is perfume and jewelry and shoes. Add another hundred a week maybe. You can easily add a couple of hundred a week to Tasha's costs.

As for working at home versus working on a trip, I sometimes have to change my price but that is a function of the going rate in the locality. At home in Alberta, I charge $350 but the business is being ruined there as well by girls who charge $100 or less. I won't mention names but these girls are not ugly - they are cute. Some of them are very attractive. There is no logical reason they cannot charge the going rate of $250 to $350. When they charge $100, they habituate the clients to that price and first thing you know, the business crashes. Meanwhile, these girls move on to another city and do damage there. I am of a mind that a travelling girl should charge the going rate - as Tasha puts it, that is just respect for self and others.

Things are a little different in Alberta too because of licensing requirements. To be legit, there are fairly expensive costs that must be added to the list. These travelling girls are not legit and work under the radar. That would be fine with me if they charged the going rate. But when they charge $100 or less, it raises my ire and my blood begins to boil.

So Greep's estimation of a fair price is reasonable. Another thing clients need to keep in mind. If a girl mentions her rate, the worst thing you can do for yourself is try and negotiate her down. She may acceed but you will have an unsatisfactory experience.

I still say that girls have to have enough self-respect to charge a reasonable rate. Find out what the local rate is and charge that. Don't do any further damage to our business. At a certain point, this will catch up to you.

I see that this thread has not seen comments from alot of girls. Tasha has been brave enough to step up. I felt these things had to be said. Where are they - those who charge $100? Where are the others, still trying to stay alive in this business?

If there is no solidarity now, things are going to get very nasty as rates drop out the bottom everywhere.

Sunshine

[Tia Phoenixx]

Another thing clients need to keep in mind. If a girl mentions her rate, the worst thing you can do for yourself is try and negotiate her down. Sunshine

First of all, congrats to Rants..this is a great thread, thanks

Now let me throw my input here:

that's true of what you said Sunshine.

But We forget talking about market segmentation here.

Do not worry too much about girls who charge much lower price than us.
These girls will see different type of clientele.

A Good, Upscale client won't come to these girls.
And this is the type of client we want to attract, right..?

If we have all it takes to become an upscale, professional, good provider, we will hurt very little in this economy.

You can believe me or not, but honestly, I have more clients who book me for VIP session rather than regular session in Boston.
Some of them even book me for 2 or 3 hours, even for dinner date

That simply means, if we have successfully established and proven that we are good and excellent providers, we will be fine, even in this economy.

My 2 cents,

Tia

[Tia Phoenixx]

One more thing, and this is for you Sunshine, since i really like what you have written and contribute to this board.

If all these comments are really written by you, I definitely can give you some advice.

Pm me if you are interested

[toban]

A clients thoughts on the price wars!

Lately I have been trying not to post anything but this thread has caused me to break my own resolution. It looks as if a disaster is about to hit this trade and I think if that trend continues we will all suffer for it. There is no comparison, in my opinion in time spent with a ?cheap? wham/bam girl compared with a girl who provides a pleasant, leisurely experience at the same cost per time period. With a "cheapie" there may be full service but it sure will not be GFE!

For the most part, Toronto has been taken over with price wars between the girls and fighting. They keep going lower and lower and the guys are now used to paying anywhere from $60 to $100 for full GFE service for an hour. There is way to many girls which means they have to work and sell themselves harder. There service gets worse because they have to see so many more clients a day just to make enough to live. . . . . . . . Really, what kind of girl are you getting thats willing to charge next to nothing? . . . . . . .But guys do not think like that. Tasha

It all depends on the type of guy who is doing the shopping Tasha, for there are always cheapsos out there looking only to blow their load asap but then there are always others who are looking for quality! Before I shop it has always been my practice to research whatever I am interested in buying to determine the going cost as well as whether that product will best serve me over the long term with little likelihood of future disappointment, whether it?s a car, an appliance, clothes or time with a girl. In general, my first interest is in buying quality products, not in price. I believe in the saying ?If it looks too good to be true, it probably is?.

I have often made appointments with girls without asking about the donation because of their reputation, and paying whatever is asked at the time we meet. Admittedly, there are sometimes genuine bargains which one would be foolish to pass up but deliberately overlooking quality and dependability for the sake of a few dollars often results in nothing but poor service and disappointment.

People shouldn't pay what they can get away with.
They should pay what they think is fair.

Of course what you say is true Crag, but the big question is: Who gets to decide what is reasonable? I believe most girls do make an attempt to be reasonable but there is really no way to eliminate those who choose to undercut them or those who overprice themselves. Maybe the feds could set up a commission (like the CRTC) possibly called CECRC - Canadian Escort Compensation Review Commission, with charges to be established after full public consultation. [Sorry Rants I just had to add that smiley]

You said it Tasha. . . . . . . . . . The girls need to wake up and smell the coffee. Charge reasonable prices of you are killing the business for yourself and everyone else.
Sunshine

There is way to many girls which means they have to work and sell themselves harder. There service gets worse because they have to see so many more clients a day just to make enough to live.

I have to agree with both Sunshine and Tasha on this - Those who undercut may not realize it but they are working far harder to make the same income as those whose charges are reasonable. In the long term though, the under-cutter is going to lose out big-time because, by offering poorer service they will not retain any long term clients to fall back on when times are really bad, for then they?ll have no willing clients ready to call them.

[toban]

Quality will triumph in the end

First of all, congrats to Rants..this is a great thread, thanks

Do not worry too much about girls who charge much lower price than us.
These girls will see different type of clientele.

A Good, Upscale client won't come to these girls.
And this is the type of client we want to attract, right..?

If we have all it takes to become an upscale, professional, good provider, we will hurt very little in this economy. .......That simply means, if we have successfully established and proven that we are good and excellent providers, we will be fine, even in this economy.Tia

I noticed Tia's response just after I posted my own and really what Tia has said here is a confirmation of what I was trying to say. There are different kinds of clients and so there must be providers capable of looking after that market!

So girls, perhaps patience will serve you well. The cost-cutting girls will end up cutting their own throats. The girls offering quality will still survive!

[sunshine]

subjective and objective

Toban makes some good points. How can anyone determine what is a fair rate? It depends on who is asking and who is answering. But there are general guidelines based on the costs associated with the service offered and the service provider offering the services. I mean - we aren't talking about a crackhead streetwalker here are we? Then why would any escort charge rates like those of a streetwalker. It is really not the same thing at all is it?

Tia, I agree with you that there will always be an upscale clientele for girls that move in those circles. Yet, I look at the local rates in Toronto and Vancouver and I say that it is beyond question that they have crashed. So there is an economic effect at work and I still believe that the girls themselves have done this by undercutting.

As Toban points out, this is not sustainable from a business perspective.
I think I have said enough.

Sunshine

[Wiseone26]

Actually watching the Vancouver review forum on here it has been alot quieter then normal, possibly a sign of a drop in business..

[Tasha Jones RIP]

yes and no

Tia,


To be honest what they do in the States is total different then Canada. I have worked in most city's in the States and the rates are much higher with less clients trying to get you to lower your rates. They are used to paying top dollar for service providers. They also seem to like us Canadian girls. So in a way it is like apples and oranges. Your point shows why most of us girls choice to travel rather then staying in our home base.


Sunshine, I total agree and trust me when I first moved to London the rate was $200 without any questions. But as soon as I moved to London, a whole bunch of girls started traveling here and with them came to lower prices & Toronto ethics. Being here for 3 years now, this has forced me to drop down to $100 for a ? and $150 for the hour. London is now becoming the new Toronto, and it sucks. There is not the numbers in clients, so you do not have the option to pick and choice. But what saves me most days is my regulars and online base clients. But again, it is a small city so pickings are slim.


But as you will see, there are weekends that I am forced to charge $100.00 for the hour. Like this weekend before my tour on Tuesday. Unlike some, I do not blame the clients, I blame the girls who have done this to a city that was a good place to call home and be able to work and get what I think was a fair charge. As well, I only work a couple days a week at most. So when I do have the time to work, I have to capitalize on it.


For me, as most know, I work at a hospital and am about to finish my course. So this is my second job. I also was smart enough to start putting money away that I am unable to touch for years. So I have a budget every month and my extra money for things that are personal come from this line of work. It sometimes is hard not to touch that money, but because I know that this line of work at some point in my life in the near future will come to an end. I need to make as much as I can now rather then later.


You are also right on extra costs that I did not add into my budget. But I was just doing basics. As Alyssa will confirm, while on tour last time, I shopped a bit to much..lol. All those great sales and things you will not find in Ontario. But at home, for those things I spend at least $2000.00 a month. It is not cheap being this way as most of you know.


Tasha

[Tia Phoenixx]

Tia,


To be honest what they do in the States is total different then Canada. I have worked in most city's in the States and the rates are much higher with less clients trying to get you to lower your rates. They are used to paying top dollar for service providers. They also seem to like us Canadian girls. So in a way it is like apples and oranges. Your point shows why most of us girls choice to travel rather then staying in our home base.


Tasha

You have your point there.