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**obscuredbyclouds** · 10-24-2005, 08:23 AM

Re: Covered or Uncovered Oral?

That is a great question...

**oralboy** · 10-24-2005, 12:48 PM

Re: Covered or Uncovered Oral?

Most girls will demand that you wear a condom when they perform on you, but some, as you found out, don't. I think, though, the more pressing question is will YOU give oral without a condom.

**veryintrigued** · 10-24-2005, 04:01 PM

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I don't think I will give it or receive it without a condom. What is the norm... She made me feel like a freak because I mentioned condoms for oral sex... I see 95 people have viewed this post, but only 2 have commented. Hmmm.. is this some sort of taboo question that I am asking?

**moonsault** · 10-24-2005, 04:08 PM

Re: Covered or Uncovered Oral?

with the T-Girls I have seen, I have not used a condom for giving or receiving for oral.

**stevieb** · 10-24-2005, 07:13 PM

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I would never do without.... NEVER..... No exceptions.... I have a life outside of the hobby....

**bubblee** · 10-24-2005, 10:15 PM

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You phrase the question like it's purely personal preference when it's really a matter of common sense given the current climate of STD's etc.

Is the risk worth endangering yourself or those close to you? Clearly not for many of us. But if you're a sex worker (or a monger with low self-esteem) rolling the dice in a very high-risk environment, you begin to see it as normal. So unprotected is fine -- business as usual.

Shemales surely represent the far side of sexual taboos by normal standards -- while that's part of the appeal, that doesn't mean you can't protect yourself at the same time.

**StephenS** · 10-24-2005, 11:43 PM

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veryintrigued,

It is a matter of personal preference and my preference is not better than yours or anyone elses. The problem with the question is that if all of the people who take the risk with professionals admitted to taking the risk, they would be lampooned by others - most of whom have a very uninformed view of the risk.

If you want to take the risk (and there is a risk) take the risk. If you don't - then don't!

But the question asked in an open forum is not innocent! Children ask innocent questions, mostly adults do not!It is a question to which you already have an opinion about the answer. The fact is that some will answer the question in a way that you agree with, others will not and then you and others can invalidate that view.

Not a game I particularly like to play! I already won that game when I was 6.

It is not a mystery to me that there are many more viewings than responses. People don't like to subject themselves to that kind of invalidation. Personally I am not very intrigued.

It is a lot more intriging to do the research and find out the incidence of STD's being transfered via oral sex, but most people are happier to stick with the uninformed opinion.

Do what works for you!

Steve

**veryintrigued** · 10-25-2005, 12:56 AM

Re: Covered or Uncovered Oral?

Hey Stephen... I understand it is a personal preference, if you would have read my post I agree with you and said I would not go for a BBBJ. I was just curious, as I was made to feel like it was the norm to go in uncovered. I have yet to pull the trigger for the first time with a tgirl, and I appreciate your post. I feel like if you were next to me you would smack me upside my head. Perhaps it would be warranted after I posted that stupid question. Have a nice day.

**veryintrigued** · 10-25-2005, 01:17 AM

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http://www.rense.com/general11/oral.htm

"When a person is receiving oral sex, he or she has the potential for contracting herpes. If the person giving oral sex has cold sores in or around the mouth, he or she can transmit it to the person receiving oral sex.

There is also a chance for contracting syphilis and hepatitis B from receiving oral sex, though the risks are much smaller. If a person is giving oral sex, he or she can contract any number of STDs including HIV, gonorrhea, herpes, hepatitis B and chlamydia." This came from a medical website, I thought I would post it.

"Other STDs Can Also Be Transmitted Through Oral Sex
Scientists have documented a number of other sexually transmitted diseases that have also been transmitted through oral sex. Herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, genital warts (HPV), intestinal parasites (amebiasis), and hepatitis A are examples of STDs which can be transmitted during oral sex with an infected partner."

**bubblee** · 10-25-2005, 12:38 PM

Re: Covered or Uncovered Oral?

Very intrigued: that means a lot to admit that maybe you were perhaps misguided in asking such a loaded question. Obviously if one is into escorts of any gender, you're taking a calculated risk. Not just escorts either.

And as for the reponses, including my own, one would hope for honest reactions but who would admit to being a complete idiot by going unprotected (even if that is the norm for GFE experiences for BBBJs).

StephenS says that no one's preferences are better than anyone else's -- maybe but the point is (as he makes) that some preferences are undeniably safer.

Why take chances? Not to spook but from my reading, I've discovered that just brushing your teeth creates scores of micro-abrasions in your gums that are sensitive to infection. So if you were planning on having any oral contact with a pro etc. the lesson is forget to brush your teeth!

Better safe than sorry!

**bubblee** · 10-25-2005, 01:48 PM

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I stand corrected on the "idiot" factor -- obviously in the reviews section here, we can find a boatload of candidates for the STD version of "Fear Factor". And I'm sure they're all super-nice upstanding guys but:

For an example, look at the latest review for Tasha or Karen http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=3187.0 from the very same guy and you'll see that he went for it - giving unprotected oral both times BBBJCIM - days apart. Presumably that means that he's served as the unwitting conduit for bodily fluids between both escorts. Wow. No doubt all is well but then again, who knows?

**Looper** · 10-25-2005, 02:32 PM

Re: Covered or Uncovered Oral?

Originally posted by StephenS

veryintrigued,

It is a matter of personal preference and my preference is not better than yours or anyone elses. The problem with the question is that if all of the people who take the risk with professionals admitted to taking the risk, they would be lampooned by others - most of whom have a very uninformed view of the risk.

If you want to take the risk (and there is a risk) take the risk. If you don't - then don't!

But the question asked in an open forum is not innocent! Children ask innocent questions, mostly adults do not!It is a question to which you already have an opinion about the answer. The fact is that some will answer the question in a way that you agree with, others will not and then you and others can invalidate that view.

Not a game I particularly like to play! I already won that game when I was 6.

It is not a mystery to me that there are many more viewings than responses. People don't like to subject themselves to that kind of invalidation. Personally I am not very intrigued.

It is a lot more intriging to do the research and find out the incidence of STD's being transfered via oral sex, but most people are happier to stick with the uninformed opinion.

Do what works for you!

Steve

Steve, I think your personal preferences and views on the topic are well documented as is evidenced by your posts in http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/index....12990#msg12990. I'm not sure who rense.com is that veryintrigued cites as "research" but they claim unprotected oral accounts for 3%-8% of HIV transmission. There is evidence that supports the position that HIV and other STD's can be transmitted through unprotected oral sex. How "risky" we view the practise is an individual call that is determined by our own risk tollerance. You may view a 3%-8% incidence as low risk, but don't equate that with "no evidence" and dismiss the choice to be protected by claiming we are oblivious and content being uninformed.

I would like to say that I've always been protected giving and receiving, but sometimes the moment gets away from you and that's not always the case.

Given the choice or the opportunity, I opt for safety.

This is a risky business, and our preferences are generally acepted as high risk sexual acts. It's up to everyone to use common sense.

**veryintrigued** · 10-25-2005, 03:08 PM

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Hey Looper... I posted the Rense article as evidence that there are risks to BBBJ's. I totally 100% concur with what you said. Safety first. End of story.

Enjoy...

**Looper** · 10-25-2005, 03:22 PM

Re: Covered or Uncovered Oral?

If it were that straightforward for everyone.

I only questioned Rense because it was difficult to find out who they are and I figured that Stephen would dismiss it as a non-credible source.

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