CD's & TV's vs Shemales.

[dom r]

WOW!

Thanks SJ for your input..

I agree with the textbook definitions of the terms..

Further we can see by how people respond that there are misconceptions, misunderstandings and great differences in how transgendered individuals see themselves and others. By me stating that I'm a transvestite I would be wrong by some and correct by others interpretations of the word.

This is Websters dictionary for the labels..

Definition of TRANSVESTITE

: a person and especially a male who adopts the dress and often the behavior typical of the opposite sex especially for purposes of emotional or sexual gratification

Definition of TRANSGENDER

: of, relating to, or being a person (as a transsexual or transvestite) who identifies with or expresses a gender identity that differs from the one which corresponds to the person's sex at birth

Definition of TRANSSEXUAL

: a person who strongly identifies with the opposite sex and may seek to live as a member of this sex especially by undergoing surgery and hormone therapy to obtain the necessary physical appearance (as by changing the external sex organs)

The term "Shemale" does not exist in the dictionary..

Personally I guess based upon the textbook definitions I'd say I fit into all of these definitions..

Good thing I'm happy with who I am and don't really choose to be classed into a group. It does matter tho in terms of being an escort, or a professional domme..

I did feel rather offended recently though when someone called me a drag queen.. I always thought drag queens were gay guys that dressed up in girls clothes..

By your avatar picture and the other one you do look like man who is a bit pretty(but not a shemale or tranny)but it looks like you have good potential to become a pretty shemale if you took female hormones. Theres a surgery method that adds fat within the skin anywhere on your face or body to make a guy look more feminine without taking female hormones. I think porn star Daniell Foxxx did that on her face with female hormones though. What surgery method is that called if anyone knows?

[dom r]

They still are two separate groups though. While some transgendered people do have a crossdressing phase, they're still transgendered. They just haven't realized it/haven't accepted it/lack the resources/etc. People who are simply transvestites or crosdressers are still their biological gender. Transgendered people are different.

Most current research is showing that transgendered people have brains that are physically the gender that they identify with, not the gender they were born into. I.E. A male body with a female brain. Basically the fetus starts out female, then during weeks 8-12 in the pregnancy the female fetus gets too much testosterone, and develops male genitalia and other physical characteristics.

This is not at all the case with transvestites or crossdressers.

Yup, we are all originally female with the XX chromosones that is why all males have breasts and both males and females are compatible to transform into either gender.

I was going to(and still might) start a thread about why do shemales minds start thinking and acting like females? And the reason is simple, when their male body and face changes into female, their new feminine appearance when interacting with society influences them to start to think and act exactly like other females in society including with the same emotions. Notice women who become men, they also start think and act just like men and thats by influence. THIS PROVES FOR A FACT that female and male babies are born with 100% identicle brains but start to become influenced differently once they understand their identity of being a boy or a girl, but also will become conditioned differently before they understand they are a boy or girl just by the way the mom and dad interacts and looks at them.

Its like if a 30 year old man were to magically become a 10 year old girl, she would then be immediately influenced in thinking and acting like a 10 year old girl.

[Alexis]

By your avatar picture and the other one you do look like man who is slightly pretty(but not a shemale or tranny)but it looks like you have good potential to become a pretty shemale if you took female hormones. Theres a surgery method that adds fat within the skin anywhere on your face or body to make a guy look more feminine without taking female hormones. I think porn star Daniell Foxxx did that on her face with female hormones though. What surgery method is that called if anyone knows?

Honestly I'm not doing the hormone route. I'd sooner spend more on good plastic surgery than deal with the effects and side effects of hormone therapy. I know other girls that have had lots of issues from severe depression and attempted suicide to mood swings and violence which occurred after starting hormone therapy. I know a few girls that are smoking and taking hormones which is a recipe for a stroke.

'm still working on hair removal and thankfully I don't have much to get rid of. I doubt that I'd get anything more than just boobs (nice full C) and a face lift though. I'm pretty happy with my looks today as opposed to 3 months ago for that photo...

I don't want to look like a barbie, much prefer an athletic look, and in all honesty I'm not that worried about being 100% passable, as I get older that will happen anyways if I'm living as a woman full time..

[Meagan Nutwood]

Yup, we are all originally female with the XX chromosones that is why all males have breasts and both males and females are compatible to transform into either gender.

I was going to(and still might) start a thread about why do shemales minds start thinking and acting like females? And the reason is simple, when their male body and face changes into female, their new feminine appearance when interacting with society influences them to start to think and act exactly like other females in society including with the same emotions. Notice women who become men, they also start think and act just like men and thats by influence. THIS PROVES FOR A FACT that female and male babies are born with 100% identicle brains but start to become influenced differently once they understand their identity of being a boy or a girl, but also will become conditioned differently before they understand they are a boy or girl just by the way the mom and dad interacts and looks at them.

Its like if a 30 year old man were to magically become a 10 year old girl, she would then be immediately influenced in thinking and acting like a 10 year old girl.

Amazing! I totally agree with this.

[toban]

Whoa there !!! - The info being presented here is way off base!

Yup, we are all originally female with the XX chromosones that is why all males have breasts and both males and females are compatible to transform into either gender.

There is way too much completely incorrect information here to allow it to go on without comment.

The XX or XY situation is determined at the exact moment of conception, not at some later time.

It is accepted by everyone here that every cell in a female?s body contains 2 X chromosomes XX while every cell in a males body contains 1 X chromosome (contributed from his mother) and 1 Y chromosome (contributed from his father) thus he is XY.

During the production of the ova (egg) those chromosomes are split apart and so each ovum (egg) contains only 1 X chromosome. Sperm production is a quite different process with two kinds of sperm being produced with each sperm containing either 1 X or 1 Y chromosome.
Now, if an egg (X) is fertilized by an X sperm, a girl will be produced having 2 X chromosomes in every cell of her body. If an egg is fertilized by a Y sperm then a male, with both 1X and 1Y chromosome in every cell of his body will be produced. During the development of that fertilized egg it is that Y chromosome that brings out the development of male characteristics.

At no time ever, can chromosomes change from X to Y!!!!!

I've kept this as basic as I could but if anyone doubts what I've written here there is a good explanation of genetics and conception here for anyone who cares to read further on it.

http://www.in-gender.com/XYU/Conception/Conception2.aspx

[greep]

But what about transextite's?, Parallel dressers and DVD's?

Theres so many different races of shemales its unbelievable. Its more confusing than World of Warcraft.

[bleh123]

my 2 cents:

cd: part time
ts: full time

Even if you have no surgeries or hormones etc, if you live as a female 24/7 no exceptions, you're a ts. You either dress and act like a female for work, going out, even visiting your family, parents, etc, or you're a CD.

[dom r]

There is way too much completely incorrect information here to allow it to go on without comment.

The XX or XY situation is determined at the exact moment of conception, not at some later time.

It is accepted by everyone here that every cell in a female’s body contains 2 X chromosomes XX while every cell in a males body contains 1 X chromosome (contributed from his mother) and 1 Y chromosome (contributed from his father) thus he is XY.

During the production of the ova (egg) those chromosomes are split apart and so each ovum (egg) contains only 1 X chromosome. Sperm production is a quite different process with two kinds of sperm being produced with each sperm containing either 1 X or 1 Y chromosome.
Now, if an egg (X) is fertilized by an X sperm, a girl will be produced having 2 X chromosomes in every cell of her body. If an egg is fertilized by a Y sperm then a male, with both 1X and 1Y chromosome in every cell of his body will be produced. During the development of that fertilized egg it is that Y chromosome that brings out the development of male characteristics.

At no time ever, can chromosomes change from X to Y!!!!!

I've kept this as basic as I could but if anyone doubts what I've written here there is a good explanation of genetics and conception here for anyone who cares to read further on it.

http://www.in-gender.com/XYU/Concept...nception2.aspx

Butt we are all originally a female fetus for 8 or more weeks, after which the Y chromosome will start to change the growth of the female fetus into a male.

Furthermore......XX is female......XY is male, but since us males have an X in our chromosomes does that mean we're half female? An mean we got breasts and since im a chubby, my tits are round and fatty a bit.

[toban]

That is not correct dom r

Butt we are all originally a female fetus for 8 or more weeks, after which the Y chromosome will start to change the growth of the female fetus into a male.

The very instant one sperm enters the egg all other sperm are blocked from entering the egg. When that first, "lucky" sperm's Y chromosome joins with that X chromosome in the egg, a male is created. That new "being" automatically became a male at that instant with it's pair of XY chromosomes!

Furthermore......XX is female......XY is male, but since us males have an X in our chromosomes does that mean we're half female? An mean we got breasts and since im a chubby, my tits are round and fatty a bit.

Nope, we are not female because we have a "Y" chromosome which carries the information (genes) from our father. The X is there to carry information (genes) from your mother. Every other cell in your body came from, and still carries all that information from your Mother, your Father, and all your ancestors for you to pass on to your offspring.

[Fudgepacker]

Loving this exchange of ideas and opinions and hopefully ( I doubt it though) we can all come to a consensus. Having said that, I never judge a person on the terms we are judging them here. I judge them on how they present to me when I meet them. Why they are the way they are is because they want to be, and if it is not hurting me or most importantly my spirit or soul let them enjoy themselves. If we share in this lifetime so be it: we share, but if we never meet again in our future lives that is O.K. too! Please let go and love freely one another as you wish to be loved yourself regardless, be free, pick up no stone to cast for that is the evil side of humanity.

[lodi225]

Butt we are all originally a female fetus for 8 or more weeks, after which the Y chromosome will start to change the growth of the female fetus into a male.

Furthermore......XX is female......XY is male, but since us males have an X in our chromosomes does that mean we're half female? An mean we got breasts and since im a chubby, my tits are round and fatty a bit.

You are all correct in a sense. An egg fertilized by a Y carrying sperm will be destined to become male. During very early embryonic life all embryos start out the same with female structures. Quite early on however, if the embryo has a Y chromosome the female structures will regress and under the influence of testosterone the embryo will develop in a male direction. But essential similarities remain. From an embryological perspective the vagina can be seen as an inverted penis. The scrotal skin is the equivalent of the labia, the penis the equivalent of the clitoris. Which is why SRS is possible and in fact not that difficult to perform.
Occasionally a mix up can occur during the process of fertilization and development:

XO individuals: The Y chromosome has been lost. In its absence the embryo will develop as a female, but with tiny and non functional ovaries.

XXY: Klinefelter syndrome: Mild mental handicap, sterile, small genitalia.

XYY: normally appearing males, thought to be common in prison population.

XY females: Insensitivity of target organs to testosterone. Embryo will develop as female, but no uterus, no ovaries and undescended testis. Little or no body hair. Sterile, often well built females, thought to be prevalent in Playboy models. Most famous example: Jamie Lee Curtis.

XX/XY intersex: True hermaphrodites possessing both male and female sex organs. Quite rare, result of mosaicism.

False hermaphrodites: XX individuals, result of adrenogenital syndrome leading to increased levels of androgenic hormones. Enlarged clitoris which in the past led to children mistakenly being labelled male. In XY individuals leads to precocious puberty.

In addition to this there is much speculation as to the influence of (minor) sex hormone variations during intra uterine life at certain crucial stages, speculated to be a cause of homosexuality or, perhaps, transsexualism. But it remains speculation.

In the end we are who we believe ourselves to be.


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[Alexis]

In the end we are who we believe ourselves to be..

Isn't that the truth..

We also need to be happy with who we are..

I suppose somewhere there might be a gene that might have something to do with the whole thing.. but does it really matter.. no..

Fudgepacker: I think lots has already come out of this thread and think it's great. We have a variety of opinions from direct and indirect sources. Skipping the drivel posts one can actually learn something I think..

I have to agree with Dom R about everything starting as female though. It could also be that it is an inherent trait for some males to choose to revert back to a female state, that's merely opinionated conjecture on my part though..

[lodi225]

Male or female, we actually are fish in our earliest life. And many species of fish of course can switch back and forth between the sexes as a form of reproductive strategy (as do many other animal species in various ways).

And none of this really matters when we look at who we are and I have no idea why I am posting this stuff - I should just get a life.


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Half of what I know is wrong. I don't know which half.

[tslisaparadise]

Male or female, we actually are fish in our earliest life. .

well i dunno about that if i was a fish then i swear to god that a great big fuckin marlin swam up my ass and left his sword sticking out the other side.thats just freakin wrong lol