Tia Phoenixx: is escorting business of tgirls in decline? unedited interview

[Tia Phoenixx]

Is escorting business of tgirls not lucrative anymore and in decline?
What do you think guys?

My newest blog entry of my most recent interview for www.ynot.com (unedited), interviewed by Peter Berton

http://www.tia-phoenixx.com/blog/2

[Rockheart]

Escort business for tgirls is not in decline it is increasing.
I have mentioned this before,
it is simple economics really:

In the past the supply of tgirls did not meet the demand.
Demand was very elastic and the seller can demand high prices.
Natural market forces have caused the supply to meet or exceed demand.

Also in Canada the barriers to entering the tgirl escort market have decreased.
Relaxed escort laws, easier access to free advertising and the reach of the internet.
Also there is still little enforcement of escort licensing and taxation.
No equipment or education is required to escort, so theoretically any attractive person can do it.

When there is few barriers to entry markets become over supplied and prices drop.
The elasticity of demand has decreased and the amount you can charge compared to the average is limited.
Plus this product is fairly homogenous so there is not much differentiation between providers really.
This is where service and reliability really pays.

Adam Smith said markets will naturally balance themselves over time.

[Bawb]

Informative, thanx for that Tia

[Tia Phoenixx]

Glad you like it Bawb!

Escort business for tgirls is not in decline it is increasing.
I have mentioned this before,
it is simple economics really:

In the past the supply of tgirls did not meet the demand.
Demand was very elastic and the seller can demand high prices.
Natural market forces have caused the supply to meet or exceed demand.

Also in Canada the barriers to entering the tgirl escort market have decreased.
Relaxed escort laws, easier access to free advertising and the reach of the internet.
Also there is still little enforcement of escort licensing and taxation.
No equipment or education is required to escort, so theoretically any attractive person can do it.

When there is few barriers to entry markets become over supplied and prices drop.
The elasticity of demand has decreased and the amount you can charge compared to the average is limited.
Plus this product is fairly homogenous so there is not much differentiation between providers really.
This is where service and reliability really pays.

Adam Smith said markets will naturally balance themselves over time.

That's true theoretically...but if you see at specific cases, especially from tgirl's point of you, don't you think the market is becoming less lucrative for us.

Though i totally agree that the market is definitely not in decline and the pie is getting bigger...but...it's just getting harder and tougher for new girls to establish their names, don;t you think?

Anyway keep going.....

[Rockheart]

That's true theoretically...but if you see at specific cases, especially from tgirl's point of you, don't you think the market is becoming less lucrative for us.

That's what i said so we agree, i just was trying to get some use out of economics 101,
that class cost me a lot of money and I have barely used it.

Though i totally agree that the market is definitely not in decline and the pie is getting bigger...but...it's just getting harder and tougher for new girls to establish their names, don;t you think?

It is becoming similar to what male and female escorts have dealt with for years.
So yes it takes increasing effort and attributes to attain the same level of income as the past.

[Alexis]

More competition and more demand..

Glad you like it Bawb!

That's true theoretically...but if you see at specific cases, especially from tgirl's point of you, don't you think the market is becoming less lucrative for us.

Though i totally agree that the market is definitely not in decline and the pie is getting bigger...but...it's just getting harder and tougher for new girls to establish their names, don;t you think?

Anyway keep going.....

I think there's a lot more competition..

Demand is on the rise too..

Hard to say if it's even or not..

I've noticed an increase in ads from GG and TG escorts..

Here in Vancouver I would have to say rates are suffering as a result..

So many TG's doing the nasty for $100 or less in some cases..

Lots of touring girls too that do the $100 quickie..

I'm still trying to get established in Vancouver and only been here for just over a month..

I'm losing $200 a day in $100 calls..

Still I'm not willing to go under 150/hh for an interactive session.. I'm worth it..

That and the $100 client is likely to frequent even cheaper providers and is there-by in a higher risk category that I don't want to expose myself or my regular clients to..

I have started to offer a more affordable 1 hour massage, not nude (tiny bikini) and not interactive with a hand release for 100..

This is mainly for mature men that actually want a professional massage.. that and they only last 5 minutes anyhow..

Lots of new guys that I see are paranoid about getting ripped off too it seems, this is no doubt directly related to all the drug addicts that have figured out that internet advertising works.. and they can use a prepaid card to advertise on Backpage.. or SMC for free..

I'm not starving so it's not likely I'll drop my rates to equal the $100 girls..

Maybe for some lucky hot guys here n there..

And I'll certainly consider it for a good regular..

I think right now there is a lull as we just entered the peak family vacation season..

Kids are out of school and those yummy married with children men are busy..

[Tia Phoenixx]

That's what i said so we agree, i just was trying to get some use out of economics 101,
that class cost me a lot of money and I have barely used it.



It is becoming similar to what male and female escorts have dealt with for years.
So yes it takes increasing effort and attributes to attain the same level of income as the past.

very true. It is indeed taking us much more effort in order to establish our name.
So, is it still worth it considering this as a profession then, considering we have greater chance of failure?

[Tia Phoenixx]

I think there's a lot more competition..

Demand is on the rise too..

Hard to say if it's even or not..

I've noticed an increase in ads from GG and TG escorts..

Here in Vancouver I would have to say rates are suffering as a result..

So many TG's doing the nasty for $100 or less in some cases..

Lots of touring girls too that do the $100 quickie..

I'm still trying to get established in Vancouver and only been here for just over a month..

I'm losing $200 a day in $100 calls..

Still I'm not willing to go under 150/hh for an interactive session.. I'm worth it..

That and the $100 client is likely to frequent even cheaper providers and is there-by in a higher risk category that I don't want to expose myself or my regular clients to..

I have started to offer a more affordable 1 hour massage, not nude (tiny bikini) and not interactive with a hand release for 100..

This is mainly for mature men that actually want a professional massage.. that and they only last 5 minutes anyhow..

Lots of new guys that I see are paranoid about getting ripped off too it seems, this is no doubt directly related to all the drug addicts that have figured out that internet advertising works.. and they can use a prepaid card to advertise on Backpage.. or SMC for free..

I'm not starving so it's not likely I'll drop my rates to equal the $100 girls..

Maybe for some lucky hot guys here n there..

And I'll certainly consider it for a good regular..

I think right now there is a lull as we just entered the peak family vacation season..

Kids are out of school and those yummy married with children men are busy..

Don't drop your rates any lower Alexis.
As we already discussed in other thread, the moment we charge lower, we are getting different type of clients, and the lower it goes...the harder for us in term of profit and personal satisfaction.

I mean, is it hard to see a client who pays only $100 but ask and demand so many things in one hour session? I will be getting old very soon if I see this type of client everyday lol

Most girls forget that almost all girls compete lowering the price..but how about those who charge higher? Well..well...nobody or very few can compete with her? nobody charge as high as her so far but there are hundreds of girls are "on sale"
Don't you think she will win the market and will get the most money just because she is very exclusive and upscale?

Just a thought

[Alexis]

Like I said.. I'm not stooping to the discount girl level..

I'm happy with 200/h..

And I do real professional massage..

I have a number of massage only, non sexual clients.. no happy ending.. just massage..

I like those.. and a little happy ending for a business guy is perfectly ok I think..

It's just a different market..

If I could do massage only all day I would do that.. tough sell tho.. saturated market here in Vancover..

[Tia Phoenixx]

Like I said.. I'm not stooping to the discount girl level..

I'm happy with 200/h..

And I do real professional massage..

I have a number of massage only, non sexual clients.. no happy ending.. just massage..

I like those.. and a little happy ending for a business guy is perfectly ok I think..

It's just a different market..

If I could do massage only all day I would do that.. tough sell tho.. saturated market here in Vancover..

good, $200 is a standard rate, you could do higher too if you want to.

Do your clients know that you can do a professional massage? Is there any review stating that?

I'm sure you can do lots of stuff in the session.
Do you have list of service you provide for your clients?

Those are important to know hon.

Besides our sensuality and beauty, credibility is extremely important in this saturated, highly competitive industry.
Prospective clients want to make sure that they are going to the right girl.
They are less likely to take any risk going to the girls whom are still "questionable"

[mr-kink]

M 2c

I always say a good experience is priceless (as in hard to put as ceiling on) and that applies to TGs and GGs.

[Alexis]

good, $200 is a standard rate, you could do higher too if you want to.

Do your clients know that you can do a professional massage? Is there any review stating that?

I'm sure you can do lots of stuff in the session.
Do you have list of service you provide for your clients?

Those are important to know hon.

Besides our sensuality and beauty, credibility is extremely important in this saturated, highly competitive industry.
Prospective clients want to make sure that they are going to the right girl.
They are less likely to take any risk going to the girls whom are still "questionable"

Well I'm quite well reviewed and advertise very aggressively..

I have ads that target specific markets and my website is very extensive and very well ranked in Google for the terms I want..

I do charge more for certain fetish scenes, messy stuff and extreme stuff..

Over the last 3 years I've done my best to deliver on quality over quantity and I'll continue to do so..

My preferred client is a educated and sophisticated gentleman that want's what I have to offer..

I only work days 10am to 10pm, don't see drunk or high people, screen everyone carefully..

Progressively things are getting better and better.. although there's a hell of a lot of work behind the scenes chasing the $$..

Credibility, honesty, openness and kindness are some of my top attributes..

Greedy and materialistic are things that I am not..

[xoxJanexox]

Good Question?

Over all I don't think that there is a decline in the t-girls escorting market. To the opposite, everyday there are new comers to the scene.

Having said that, I concur also that there is a disproportionate increase in the supply. Let's face it, a quick browsing of any advertising website will reveal that that the number of t-girls is increasing everyday. I believe that the market has the mechanisms to correct itself over the long run.

I am currently sitting at the highest rate in Ottawa and honestly didn't face significant problems. I am sending a clear message through my ads, website etc targeting my clients and I think that they are getting the message very well. Competing with lowering prices is that worst strategy in my view as girls should put more effort in providing a top notch quality service.

Let's take the ggs escorts as an example, you will find in the same BP ads escorts charging 150/hr and others charging 300/hr. Clients will ultimately decide where to go based on many thing, but a major determinant is the affordability. When it comes to intimate times. quality prevails and clients know that.

It might be the case that starting escorting these days is not as easy as it used to be, it might be the monthly income of established escorts is declining, but this is an unavoidable consequence of the free market, unless each girl develops her own niche! You can see very clearly that a lot of girls in the market will leave it or stay where they are and few that are coming and bringing something new to the table!

It takes time, effort and most important a "brain" to bring something new to the table and that's why few escorts (tgs or ggs) can do it and succeed!

[Rockheart]

very true. It is indeed taking us much more effort in order to establish our name.
So, is it still worth it considering this as a profession then, considering we have greater chance of failure?

I don't think anyone should consider escorting as a permanent profession.
It should be a job to help you get to another career, or a part time job for extra money.

All the service jobs generally are used by young people and unskilled people to make good money.
However going to school and getting a trade or professional career is a far more lucrative option.

Bartenders, waitresses, escorts, strippers etc.
These are all service related jobs that pay quite well compared to other entry level jobs.
Sure these jobs are much more preferred to other minimum wage level jobs because you can make more money, specifically when you receive tips or bonuses over and above the basic.
Escorts and strippers, of course, can charge a higher basic charge due to the personal nature of the business.

Service industry jobs like this pay well but usually you do not improve and make more money over time.
Once you are proficient you will make the maximum possible right away but never make more really.

A good career or profession will always provide you more money and more possibilities as time goes on.
Some people say sex is a skill but really it is all about effort and looks, many many people can do this job the same.
A true professional skill is something you improve your whole life, you can only get so good at sex.
A computer programmer or a welder can always get better and study more modern techniques.

Escorting is a fabulous profession for those that need good money with little skills.
It can help pay for transition or school.
It can be a life long profession but not the best one you can choose.

The fact is most people in the service industry are looked down on as servants.
There is nothing you can do about this as you are accepting this by taking on this work.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Well I'm quite well reviewed and advertise very aggressively..

I have ads that target specific markets and my website is very extensive and very well ranked in Google for the terms I want..

I do charge more for certain fetish scenes, messy stuff and extreme stuff..

Over the last 3 years I've done my best to deliver on quality over quantity and I'll continue to do so..

My preferred client is a educated and sophisticated gentleman that want's what I have to offer..

I only work days 10am to 10pm, don't see drunk or high people, screen everyone carefully..

Progressively things are getting better and better.. although there's a hell of a lot of work behind the scenes chasing the $$..

Credibility, honesty, openness and kindness are some of my top attributes..

Greedy and materialistic are things that I am not..

very good. I'm happy. It seems that you are on the right track hon. We need more girls like you

all the best then!