Tia Phoenixx: "Tranny Mafia" does exist!- my real experience

[Rockheart]

Be nice to each other boys. We have to get used to different opinions and point of views.
Besides, don't take everything too seriously and personally. You just stated few days ago Crag

TsFantasia has a simple, yet optimistic approach about escorting, including the traveling girl.
I see the whole world as ONE big market for me to roam around freely. well, obviously it's not the case in reality.
But at least in USA, where most professional tgirl escorts actually do travel, i don't feel that i'm intruding their territory, though it might be the case in some countries.
In a smaller market, like Canada, i notice lots of tgirls do travel as well. So why not?

there are reasons for tgirls who travel and not to travel. Some have boyfriend, family or simply they don;'t like traveling and opt for staying in one city. I love traveling, so it's a perfect option for me at the moment. Seeing new cities....scenery...different culture...different food...and ultimately tasting different men lol

Anyway, here I am in Florida...very relaxing and green...full of trees. It's a little cool...but nothing compared to Canada.
My life might change soon though, but I will enjoy my 2nd life of being a tgirl for the last time...before transforming to my 3rd life as a woman.
I'm a phoenix, remember?

Just asking what the rationalization behind calling forum owners small minded and not proportionate, or whatever.
Besides why do you have to say calm down, when I am just having a discussion?
I can have an opinion, not?

All I am saying is if you work with no home base you are not giving back anywhere.
If you are only travelling you are only taking from the places you visit, and never give back.
This is why some resent you travelling places.

[negative_approach]

Generally all escort forums/review sites and even listing sites are 100% corrupt. This is probably one of the few one's I've seen where you can freely advertise without having to pay up a tax somewhere. Review sites are the worst, there's always job offers on freelancer boards looking for people to write fake reviews for agencies and girls, and fake "black PR" which is negative reviews. They also offer people with high posts and recognizable account names to shill for money as well.

Dubai is another area where if you're a freelancer visiting you should expect the cops to be called on you because the pimps that run the already highly taxed red light district have the sex market cornered and unless you work for them and police bribes are paid you are an open target.

I like the idea of travelling girls and they don't just take and don't give back because they're giving it to the trick lol. The local girls can always travel if they want too, nothing stopping them. I think it's kind of awesome that sex workers can country hop and make money anywhere they want while seeing the world. Even if they didn't charge some guy would probably be fucking them anyways, so what's the difference really. That's one less guy to call one of the local girls anyway you look at it.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Dubai is another area where if you're a freelancer visiting you should expect the cops to be called on you because the pimps that run the already highly taxed red light district have the sex market cornered and unless you work for them and police bribes are paid you are an open target.

as negative as you can be, but you are right on Dubai.
I should have known this before and I would have been wealthy by now.
Yes, we have to bribe the police...yes we have to have a bodyguard. the price of a bodyguard is $1000 a day, but it's piece of cake since we can earn $20K a day or maybe more probably if you are booked by one of the princes (sheiks) for a day or two.

but only very few of those girls can be successful. If you go to Dubai's old town, you can see tons of girls working on the street, and nobody bothers them.

Police is only interested in catching the upscale and popular girls because they know we carry tons of cash.

Well, I give this thread a title "tranny mafia", is a loose term and can be interpreted as a group of people or a person, creating so many usernames for her or their own goods, and try to discredit or give a bad representation to her or their competitors.

In Dubai, i've heard a real Russian mafia organizes some high end clubs and prostitution rings.

Gosh...money...money....

it's funny that i'm actually part of it, although i never want this to happen.

my dream is actually very simple: living in a nice place surrounded by forest, lake and mountain, accompanied by a good husband and some animals, doing simple things: gardening, cooking....

I will give all my money to the right partner...seriously.

In the meantime, let's get back to reality. One more client will come in 30 minutes. I'm surprisingly pretty busy in Jacksonville.

this is reality, but hopefully it will change soon.

[Rockheart]

Generally all escort forums/review sites and even listing sites are 100% corrupt. This is probably one of the few one's I've seen where you can freely advertise without having to pay up a tax somewhere. Review sites are the worst, there's always job offers on freelancer boards looking for people to write fake reviews for agencies and girls, and fake "black PR" which is negative reviews. They also offer people with high posts and recognizable account names to shill for money as well.

Dubai is another area where if you're a freelancer visiting you should expect the cops to be called on you because the pimps that run the already highly taxed red light district have the sex market cornered and unless you work for them and police bribes are paid you are an open target.

I like the idea of travelling girls and they don't just take and don't give back because they're giving it to the trick lol. The local girls can always travel if they want too, nothing stopping them. I think it's kind of awesome that sex workers can country hop and make money anywhere they want while seeing the world. Even if they didn't charge some guy would probably be fucking them anyways, so what's the difference really. That's one less guy to call one of the local girls anyway you look at it.

I don't agree with that, there is lots of forums where you can freely post.
However this is the case with some of the boards where members have to pay for access.
Then they give the member discounts based on the reviews they do.
Here you contribute and get the benefits of others contribution.

All of my sites are based on free access and equal opportunity.
You can however buy premium advertising, the base services are always free.

I didn't say travelling girls are not ok, I said girls that ONLY travel do not give back anywhere really.
They get in they get out, they skim the cream off the top then split.
No where do they really set up a life, regulars or roots.
They don't travel to visit tourist attractions generally but will go with clients.
Most of all they see in their life is the back of a hotel door.

Sure you can make a bunch of money in dangerous countries.
In those types of countries you can also have your throat slit and thrown in a dumpster and no one will even care.
The police, nobody will care, they will just walk away counting your bribe money.
Some of these Sheiks and princes can just have you taken care of, rather than risk you exposing or blackmailing them.
No one will care or look for you.

To say you want to get in with the Russian Mafia?
This is a job you can never quit, so I would say you should never apply.
This route there is no retirement in the mountains with your boyfriend, your retirement package will be a bullet in the head!

There is way more to life than money.

[Crossover1]

All I am saying is if you work with no home base you are not giving back anywhere.
If you are only travelling you are only taking from the places you visit, and never give back.
This is why some resent you travelling places.

Because you don't know it exists doesn't mean a thing. A girl like Tia can easily operate in that world given her looks and sophistication.

Wow, you are something. You don't support travelling escorts? Who cares what you think? They exist and will always exist. And who are you to make sweeping moral and sociological judgements about whether they contribute to local economies. The only thing that matters is whether they pay taxes, and even there, I can't really blame them if they don't pay taxes. They're so demonized and harassed by society, they should get a free pass. But then I don't decide such things, or really care.

We live in a global economy, and travelling girls bring pleasure and happiness to people they come to. You have such a limited mindset about travelling girls "stealing local business". What the fuck does that mean? We should support local trannies like buying local organic produce? I have to laugh. Sounds ridiculous. Sex is not exactly a domesticated business where you can apply traditional social criteria, lol.

Boards are necessary for some girls. Not necessary for lots of other girls. Just like gg escorts. I have a friend who advertises on SC, and makes $5k a week while NEVER participating on the boards. Instead, she's too smart to waste her time knowing she can do it on her body and courtesan skills. Is every girl like that? Nope. But there is a higher level than playing possum with forum losers.

Once again, the market for shemales is growing explosively, year over year, and whole new markets are opening up that never existed. I was in Thailand this year, and you can feel an absolute explosion in ladyboy services, sites, escort agencies and bars. It's becoming perfectly socially acceptable (well almost) for straight men to go to Bangkok and get fucked by ladyboys.

Meanwhile, HA and other boards are growing massively, and a whole star system is developing.

The sky is the limit now. Any limitations that anyone puts on your own market is silly. This is a really good business to be in. I wish I had some tits and a passable looks. I would make $500k. The single biggest secret world that most people don't know about is rich men who want "perversion" but absolute discretion. If you go to Bangkok, you can get the best looking ladyboy you'd ever want on Lower Suk for $30. Those same girls are pimped out by high agencies to rich, discrete men who never show up on the street at 10-100x that $30. Most losers can't even understand that world exists. Rich men pay for discretion, and the sky's the limit.

[xoxJanexox]

The sky is the limit now. Any limitations that anyone puts on your own market is silly. This is a really good business to be in. I wish I had some tits and a passable looks. I would make $500k. The single biggest secret world that most people don't know about is rich men who want "perversion" but absolute discretion. If you go to Bangkok, you can get the best looking ladyboy you'd ever want on Lower Suk for $30. Those same girls are pimped out by high agencies to rich, discrete men who never show up on the street at 10-100x that $30. Most losers can't even understand that world exists. Rich men pay for discretion, and the sky's the limit.

Your views are your views, but somehow the numbers you have cited are not a reflection of this business.

Making a 500 K is "very very rare", even among the most established high end courtesans, be it ggs or t-girls. It just makes me wonder how t-girls make those numbers while the vast majority host in mediocre (or even below) places!

I have seen rich clients. but unfortunately people have some misconceptions about rich people. These people don't walk around distributing $$$$ flyers. They are business oriented, they are very good at gauging quality from the surface. The are willing to pay the "reasonably" high premiums but what is their percentage overall in a given city.

I have said it before and will continue saying it, a provider can't maintain a business if she is only relying on the very elite, unless she is traveling girl. A travelling girl is someone who travels constantly as apposed to travelling from time to time. There are always what we call the "samplers" in each city. They spot every traveling girl and make every efforts to see her. But once the girl settle there, She is not a traveling girl anymore, she is just another local girl!

[TSFantasia]

Very Interesting Thread and Points Made

Very interesting thread Tia and best of luck with overcoming the obstacles of local protectionism. Sounds like you cater to a more high end clientele so doubt that it affects the local girls to any great extent as probably not dealing with the same group of men. I can see how for a lot of men, whose marriages, business, and reputations being dependent on absolute discretion. Seeing high end travelling girls is preferable to the local girls, who may gossip into the local grapevine when lips get loose over drinks at the local t-girl clubs or a local girl texting, emailing, calling at inappropriate times trying to drum up business because she is having a slow week, etc.

Crossover it does sound like your numbers are skewed at least in favour of the top 10% high end providers. Most girls are dealing with the blue collar and middle income white collar workers, who still find it a "luxury" to splurge on a 200-300 hour with a T-girl escort. I'm sure for those willing to live out of a suitcase and in hotel rooms they can do quite well taking advantage of the "new face, new girl in town" demand that exists in every city. I don't know you but I'm a little skeptical of your access to all this detailed info as a non-passable CD working off CL ads (just using your own description) as opposed to someone like Crag , who has been involved in the T-Girl/She-male industry for 10+ years now and has 18 trips to Thailand under his belt and has probably had opportunity to meet and talk with a lot of the well known SPs in Canada and elsewhere as to the realities of the business. But again I don't really know who you are. But the numbers sound impressive and I've got my bags packed as soon as I know what direction to go . LOL.

[Tia Phoenixx]

The sky is the limit now. Any limitations that anyone puts on your own market is silly. This is a really good business to be in. I wish I had some tits and a passable looks. I would make $500k. The single biggest secret world that most people don't know about is rich men who want "perversion" but absolute discretion. If you go to Bangkok, you can get the best looking ladyboy you'd ever want on Lower Suk for $30. Those same girls are pimped out by high agencies to rich, discrete men who never show up on the street at 10-100x that $30. Most losers can't even understand that world exists. Rich men pay for discretion, and the sky's the limit.

You have some valid points on this one my friend.
Do you know that most upscale men who book me for breakfast, lunch or dinner date prefer in-room dining service, unless if they are out of town or on business, so they might take me to a discreet location that nobody will know us.

That's why if we look at all those upscale GG escort who charge thousands of dollars per date, they don't look like a porn star at all.
They look more like a smart, sexy, healthy business woman instead. Discretion is an absolute for those men. they don;t want to be seen walking or dining together with an escort who look like a whore

Anyway,
to tell you the truth, i'm the one who deal with this issue everyday...i'm the one who know everything from A to Z with plus and minus of everything we have already discussed.
Remember that i'm traveling around the world making my money.

Maybe I should write a book about my life and my escorting career?
I might even be richer just to reveal who have seen me in the past...but I won't. I promise those men, i won't reveal their secret, even somebody offers me millions.

Anyway, I like your statement: "Sky is The Limit" Crossover1.
it inspires me to write my newest blog entry with the same title:
http://www.tia-phoenixx.com/node/3342

[Tia Phoenixx]

Very interesting thread Tia and best of luck with overcoming the obstacles of local protectionism. Sounds like you cater to a more high end clientele so doubt that it affects the local girls to any great extent as probably not dealing with the same group of men. I can see how for a lot of men, whose marriages, business, and reputations being dependent on absolute discretion. Seeing high end travelling girls is preferable to the local girls, who may gossip into the local grapevine when lips get loose over drinks at the local t-girl clubs or a local girl texting, emailing, calling at inappropriate times trying to drum up business because she is having a slow week, etc.

Crossover it does sound like your numbers are skewed at least in favour of the top 10% high end providers. Most girls are dealing with the blue collar and middle income white collar workers, who still find it a "luxury" to splurge on a 200-300 hour with a T-girl escort. I'm sure for those willing to live out of a suitcase and in hotel rooms they can do quite well taking advantage of the "new face, new girl in town" demand that exists in every city. I don't know you but I'm a little skeptical of your access to all this detailed info as a non-passable CD working off CL ads (just using your own description) as opposed to someone like Crag , who has been involved in the T-Girl/She-male industry for 10+ years now and has 18 trips to Thailand under his belt and has probably had opportunity to meet and talk with a lot of the well known SPs in Canada and elsewhere as to the realities of the business. But again I don't really know who you are. But the numbers sound impressive and I've got my bags packed as soon as I know what direction to go . LOL.

thanks hon. It's also refreshing to read your comments about thing!

[Tia Phoenixx]

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To say you want to get in with the Russian Mafia?
This is a job you can never quit, so I would say you should never apply.
This route there is no retirement in the mountains with your boyfriend, your retirement package will be a bullet in the head!

There is way more to life than money.

Money is not everything my friend. I didn't say i plan to work with the mafia. Ew...never in a thousand year.

I prefer to be a house wife someday lol

[Tia Phoenixx]

An interesting article about escorting as a career:
http://dating.com/articles/escort-re...-resort-career

I like point 3 and 4

[mr-kink]

So what are men supposed to do?

Interesting article, Tia. But what are men suppose to do? )

[rider014]

Status Quo

Interesting article, Tia. But what are men suppose to do? )

Keep paying gotta put these girls through college. Seriously though, when you crunch the numbers, 4 hours a week $1000.... $52000 a year. Not a bad gig really and probably not that hard to achieve. The odd time the boys and I joke around while scrolling through BP that if we had the looks, body etc., hell ya why not. The internet has made it easier all around for escorts and clients alike. The days of driving around, looking in the yellow pages, and even browsing the newspaper are slowly coming to an end which is making this career choice more appealing to people all around.

I would be be curious to know just how many escorts(male, female, TG) actually hit that six figure mark and live the luxury life of yachts, penthouses, and such. With the government , licensing, travel expenses ( of some), and everyday living expenses, how much is left at the end of the day? I know that when I'm not physically at work, what am I doing.... Spending money of course.

Bottom line here is, if ya got it, milk it for what it's worth, cuz it ain't gonna last forever, and hopefully there is something to fall back on

[Tia Phoenixx]

Interesting article, Tia. But what are men suppose to do? )

well, escorting has to be seen as a profession instead of criminality.
If you read the article, high end escorts have choices in life. Those who are successful is obviously smart.
So it is indeed a service oriented business

What are men supposed to do?
be more understanding about the business we are in and respectful.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Keep paying gotta put these girls through college. Seriously though, when you crunch the numbers, 4 hours a week $1000.... $52000 a year. Not a bad gig really and probably not that hard to achieve. The odd time the boys and I joke around while scrolling through BP that if we had the looks, body etc., hell ya why not. The internet has made it easier all around for escorts and clients alike. The days of driving around, looking in the yellow pages, and even browsing the newspaper are slowly coming to an end which is making this career choice more appealing to people all around.

I would be be curious to know just how many escorts(male, female, TG) actually hit that six figure mark and live the luxury life of yachts, penthouses, and such. With the government , licensing, travel expenses ( of some), and everyday living expenses, how much is left at the end of the day? I know that when I'm not physically at work, what am I doing.... Spending money of course.

Bottom line here is, if ya got it, milk it for what it's worth, cuz it ain't gonna last forever, and hopefully there is something to fall back on

$52K in a year?
Depending on which country and city we live in. that income is low IMHO, especially for us who live in big metropolitan city like Toronto, NYC, London, Tokyo, Paris...
You have to live frugally if you are in London, LA or NYC with that income

a popular mid to high end escort (tgirl escort is included) can easily earn that in a month.

I don;t have any yacht, but i'm doing fine.
How many people can have a yacht and private jet anyway?