STD Test Results: I'll Show You Mine If You'll Show Me Yours

[TSFantasia]

There is much talk in SP ads and forum reviews and posts about recent STD results being made available to the client's upon request. This is a good idea, even if you plan on having completely safe sex including oral (protected anal is a given). But the intent from most of what I've read is so the client can engage in unprotected oral sex, both ways, rimming and "swallowing loads". Well that's all great for you the client that you know I am not going to pass anything onto you. I've had my oral and anal swabs, blood tests, and urine tests all come back negative for any STDs. Ok now what about YOU. "Oh I'm clean" Sounds great glad I now have 100% confidence in your word that you are STD free even though you haven't had an STD test done in years. "Oh yeah but bare oral is a very low risk for transmitting STDs!" Oh really like what 5-10% ? So you feel pretty confident that you will beat the odds as you see an escort 3-6 times a year and a few fuck buddies here and there. A busy SP, especially travelling one, can easily see 100 clients in a month, so then 5-10 of those are likely to have some STD that can be transmitted orally. Not that I haven't allowed bb bjs and let guys rim me, but I'm thinking that is a prerequisite to any future requests for bare oral. Bring your recent STD test with you I will look over yours while you look over mine. We can give each other the nod and get down to business http://std.about.com/od/riskfactorsf...sexsafesex.htm

[Hockeydude89]

There is much talk in SP ads and forum reviews and posts about recent STD results being made available to the client's upon request. This is a good idea, even if you plan on having completely safe sex including oral (protected anal is a given). But the intent from most of what I've read is so the client can engage in unprotected oral sex, both ways, rimming and "swallowing loads". Well that's all great for you the client that you know I am not going to pass anything onto you. I've had my oral and anal swabs, blood tests, and urine tests all come back negative for any STDs. Ok now what about YOU. "Oh I'm clean" Sounds great glad I now have 100% confidence in your word that you are STD free even though you haven't had an STD test done in years. "Oh yeah but bare oral is a very low risk for transmitting STDs!" Oh really like what 5-10% ? So you feel pretty confident that you will beat the odds as you see an escort 3-6 times a year and a few fuck buddies here and there. A busy SP, especially travelling one, can easily see 100 clients in a month, so then 5-10 of those are likely to have some STD that can be transmitted orally. Not that I haven't allowed bb bjs and let guys rim me, but I'm thinking that is a prerequisite to any future requests for bare oral. Bring your recent STD test with you I will look over yours while you look over mine. We can give each other the nod and get down to business http://std.about.com/od/riskfactorsf...sexsafesex.htm

Sounds reasonable enough to me....but I suppose only upon request. If one or the other says "Hey, can you prove your clean," and you prove it, then the other should be willing to prove it as well.

[TSFantasia]

What Is Expected or Accepted Becomes Industry Standard

Sounds reasonable enough to me....but I suppose only upon request. If one or the other says "Hey, can you prove your clean," and you prove it, then the other should be willing to prove it as well.

Well I've thought of this topic before but came to the forefront after reading the recent post under Official Reviews of a TO girl, who is HIV positive and may be spreading it by having unprotected sex. This is just hear say and allegations. But the risks are always out there and both clients and escorts need to protect themselves and their loved ones. SPs are accepting most of the risks as the sheer number of new sexual partners exponentially increases their odds of contracting an STD even from what is assumed to be "low risk" sexual activities like bare oral. And when you come across that 10 or 5 or even 1 in 100 that passes on an STD then it won't matter that it was low risk. We've all seen the charts showing that for each person you have unprotected sex with you are actually being exposed to every other unprotected sex partner that person has had. And if a SP, who's only income is escorting ,contracts an STD is she going to immediately stop escorting or even lose customers by not allowing bare oral when that is the expected norm? Highly unlikely. So as the industry standard for smart hobbyists and quality SPs is for the SP to have frequent clean STD test results avail upon request, it should also become standard for SPs to request the same of their clients , who are requesting bare oral in their sessions. If this is unrealistic then it should be considered and charged as a premium, VIP service only available in higher per hr rate sessions to reduce risks and number of bare oral encounters. Yes we will lose the "cheap" guys , who are running around "swallowing loads" not only off their T-girl SP sessions, but most likely dozens of guys through craigslist, adultfriendfinder, and umpteen other sex hookup sites. But those guys are in the highest risk category for contracting and spreading STDs anyways so good riddance!

[TSFantasia]

LaLaLaLaLaLaLa...

And I know all the guys who are doing this have their fingers in their ears or hands over their eyes as the case maybe going "LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa.....Don't disturb my fantasies with REALITY!" I know it sucks if I had my way it would be all bare back oral and anal sex, swallowing cum, feeling cum oozing out of my slit after sex, etc. DAMN STD REALITY CHECK

[toban]

I love BB too but !!!!!!

And I know all the guys who are doing this have their fingers in their ears or hands over their eyes as the case maybe going "LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa.....Don't disturb my fantasies with REALITY!" I know it sucks if I had my way it would be all bare back oral and anal sex, swallowing cum, feeling cum oozing out of my slit after sex, etc. DAMN STD REALITY CHECK

Fantasia, I recognize and applaud your efforts to make all parties here more aware of the dangers lurking in any kind of BB activities. While there seems to be the most concern about avoiding HIV, there needs to be much more attention paid to the many other STI’s [Gonorrhea, Syphilis, Chlamydia, as well as Herpes, HepatitisB, and particularly HPV e.g.], some of which have few or even no symptoms.

HPV is THE most common STI ever, yet it is seldom even mentioned on this Forum as a Sexual Infection. A lot of publicity for HPV has been garnered because of women’s issues with cancers caused by this virus but it commonly infects men equally as well as women. In men, HPV is also known to cause oral, anal and bladder cancers while the actual physical warts occur in or around the anal area or anywhere on the penis and even inside the urethra!

HPV can easily be transmitted from a wart on bare dry skin to bare dry skin, when e.g., a wart on the anal area touches any skin on the penis not completely covered by a condom. Because of this, condoms can never offer complete protection from HPV! Unfortunately there is always fully exposed skin on the scrotum or the glutes etc. as well as on the shaft above the condom. Warts are commonly also found in the mouth and throat so again, BB oral, rimming, etc. with such a person could easily leave the recipient with warts on his penis or anal area..

[TSFantasia]

Fantasia, I recognize and applaud your efforts to make all parties here more aware of the dangers lurking in any kind of BB activities. While there seems to be the most concern about avoiding HIV, there needs to be much more attention paid to the many other STI?s [Gonorrhea, Syphilis, Chlamydia, as well as Herpes, HepatitisB, and particularly HPV e.g.], some of which have few or even no symptoms.

HPV is THE most common STI ever, yet it is seldom even mentioned on this Forum as a Sexual Infection. A lot of publicity for HPV has been garnered because of women?s issues with cancers caused by this virus but it commonly infects men equally as well as women. In men, HPV is also known to cause oral, anal and bladder cancers while the actual physical warts occur in or around the anal area or anywhere on the penis and even inside the urethra!

HPV can easily be transmitted from a wart on bare dry skin to bare dry skin, when e.g., a wart on the anal area touches any skin on the penis not completely covered by a condom. Because of this, condoms can never offer complete protection from HPV! Unfortunately there is always fully exposed skin on the scrotum or the glutes etc. as well as on the shaft above the condom. Warts are commonly also found in the mouth and throat so again, BB oral, rimming, etc. with such a person could easily leave the recipient with warts on his penis or anal area..

Yes HPV is listed as one of the 7 STDs that can be transmitted through unprotected oral in the link at the beginning of this post. Well we are all dodging bullets here whether with SPs or other unprotected sexual encounters. Best thing to do is to be as safe as possible , reduce the risks as much as we can, and get tested regularly. I mean every year I go down to Mexico and my Mom and others are saying "Aren't you scared of all the drug violence and murders going on down there?" And I'm like "Well I don't plan on running drugs across the border or being in those areas or wandering away from the resorts to find drugs!" And oh yes the few murders a year of tourists? Well there are several 100's of murders of Canadians by Canadians every year so we should all get the hell out of here as soon as possible! My point being we can all become petrified of doing anything in life because of news reports or risks involved. But I would rather enjoy life and just do everything I can to minimize the risks involved by using safe practices rather than increasing the risks and likelihood that I will be a statistic by being wreckless and careless.

[Rockheart]

While HIV is still number one with the stigma involved, it is not really a killer anymore.
In fact, HIV is one step from a complete cure.
It has always been a danger since there aren't usually symptoms you can see.

HPV is probably the big one that there is no real cure on the horizon for.
Basically this is warts.

There is different kinds of warts but the HPV virus usually doesn't go away, if you get it.
The problem is they can lead to cancer when you get them in your colon or inside your sex organs.
The other problem with HPV is that condoms don't really stop it, as it can live on the outside for some time.
This meaning cleanliness is also key.

HPV and most other STIs are almost impossible to catch from oral sex, the risk is very tiny.
Herpes and other STIs that involve lesions usually are only spread if the lesions are active.
Good inspection before oral sex should be your biggest safeguard.
Don't do oral if you have sores around your mouth.

I know in Thailand you can go get and instant tests.

[TSFantasia]

While HIV is still number one with the stigma involved, it is not really a killer anymore.
In fact, HIV is one step from a complete cure.
It has always been a danger since there aren't usually symptoms you can see.

HPV is probably the big one that there is no real cure on the horizon for.
Basically this is warts.

There is different kinds of warts but the HPV virus usually doesn't go away, if you get it.
The problem is they can lead to cancer when you get them in your colon or inside your sex organs.
The other problem with HPV is that condoms don't really stop it, as it can live on the outside for some time.
This meaning cleanliness is also key.

HPV and most other STIs are almost impossible to catch from oral sex, the risk is very tiny .
Herpes and other STIs that involve lesions usually are only spread if the lesions are active.
Good inspection before oral sex should be your biggest safeguard.
Don't do oral if you have sores around your mouth.

I know in Thailand you can go get and instant tests.

I don't agree with your statement that I emphasized in bold as far as for SPs are concerned . Yes the hobbyists see a SP a few times a year plus whatever other sexual partners they have. A busy SP is seeing 50-100 clients a month (and indirectly with all the people each one of them has had unprotected sexual contact with in the past year) so the "tiny" adds up to significant risk. Clients bringing their up to date STD results should be a requirement by SPs when being asked to perform and allow bare oral and/or it should be a premium, VIP service ,which will automatically limit the number of these requests and exposures.

[Rockheart]

I don't agree with your statement that I emphasized in bold as far as for SPs are concerned . Yes the hobbyists see a SP a few times a year plus whatever other sexual partners they have. A busy SP is seeing 50-100 clients a month (and indirectly with all the people each one of them has had unprotected sexual contact with in the past year) so the "tiny" adds up to significant risk. Clients bringing their up to date STD results should be a requirement by SPs when being asked to perform and allow bare oral and/or it should be a premium, VIP service ,which will automatically limit the number of these requests and exposures.

Sure your risk is higher if you have more sex with with many people.
This is not what I am talking about.
What I said is not incorrect, your risk is possibly slightly higher due to volume.
If you drive more your car will wear out faster than factory specs etc.
I am only talking the average situation.

The fact is that catching MOST STIs is very very tiny through oral sex, period.
So, your chance of catching them through Oral sex in ONE incident is very very tiny.
So if you see many partners your risk is very tiny.

I am not saying not to take precautions, however the fact is, oral sex is not that risky.
HIV especially cannot survive saliva or stomach acids.
As I say, most other afflictions require open sores.

Unless you are regularily having sore on sore exposure then you risk is higher.
I cannot imagine this is happening ever.

The most risky activity period is anal sex.
Even with condoms, it probably won't prevent HPV unless you are very clean.
Condoms won't stop herpes or anything else passed through open sores.
Due to the lack of natural lubrication and other factors, many small lesions open up during sex.
This is the biggest danger right there.

Your digestive tract is one of your main defense mechanisms so catching any type of virus through this route is not easy.
Bad bacteria and this sort of thing is far worse to ingest, Ass to mouth is far more dangerous than 1000 blowjobs.

[toban]

- - - - - - - There is different kinds of warts but the HPV virus usually doesn't go away, if you get it.

Right, the warts of HPV usually appear on or in the genitals, anus, colon etc. or mouth and there is no guaranteed cure. You can try to remove the warts to improve the appearance either by surgery, by chemicals, by heat or by freezing but the virus still remains within the system. Apparently the human immune system is sometimes capable of destroying the HPV completely, particularly, it seems for young girls with first infection!

- - - - - - - - HPV and most other STIs are almost impossible to catch from oral sex, the risk is very tiny.

Mmmm, I wonder 'bout that! Even those diseases that usually create a discharge or pus which is chock full of living bacteria? e.g. Gonorrhea, Chlamydia.

- - - - - - - Good inspection before oral sex should be your biggest safeguard.

To be effective that kind of inspection would require both partners to use a bright light source and a magnifier [both being definite mood killers!] to check the other! - Can’t envision that being done too often! We'd look too much like monkeys grooming each other in the zoo!

- - - - - - - - I know in Thailand you can go get and instant tests.

Now that would be fantastic!
For which diseases tho, - just HPV??

[Rockheart]

Mmmm, I wonder 'bout that! Even those diseases that usually create a discharge or pus which is chock full of living bacteria? e.g. Gonorrhea, Chlamydia.

To be effective that kind of inspection would require both partners to use a bright light source and a magnifier [both being definite mood killers!] to check the other! - Can?t envision that being done too often!

Now that would be fantastic!
For which diseases tho, - just HPV??

As I stated, any STI with open sores is a risk.
I am not saying to suck off a lumpy, red, and puss covered cock.
STI's with no open sores are not generally contagious.
Even HIV needs some type of small lesion.

Why is inspecting genitals so hard to do?
Everyone should be taking a quick look at what they are dealing with.
Especially if you are putting in your mouth.
I do a quick check as a matter of fact, why not?
Putting a condom over top of warts will not help anything.
The HPV can live on the condom and just about anywhere for short periods.
Even a condom over top of any lesions is not safe as the fluids can get all over.

There is no test for HPV from my understanding.
Even cervical testing requires a sample of cervical tissue.
Unless you know the exact infected area, it cannot be detected.
But if there is not visible lesions or warts, there is no contagion.

The instant tests are for HIV, and other standard STIs.

[TSFantasia]

Back to the Question?

So then back to the topic if a client wants the security of seeing a SPs recent STD tests because they want the pleasure of bare oral is it unreasonable to expect the same from the client. As Toban said examining each other under a bright light is unlikely to happen in a dimly lit hotel room. And even if you did doesn't always reveal everything. A STD/STI test is a medical blood, urine, oral and anal swab test that will reveal that which is hidden to the eye and which the client or SP may not have even been aware they were infected with. If that doesn't seem practical (the whole clients not revealing personal info, faked, forged tests, etc.) then should this not ALWAYS be an extra charge service as the SP is assuming a greater risk than a client who is satisfied to keep both anal and oral protected?

[Rockheart]

So then back to the topic if a client wants the security of seeing a SPs recent STD tests because they want the pleasure of bare oral is it unreasonable to expect the same from the client. As Toban said examining each other under a bright light is unlikely to happen in a dimly lit hotel room. And even if you did doesn't always reveal everything. A STD/STI test is a medical blood, urine, oral and anal swab test that will reveal that which is hidden to the eye and which the client or SP may not have even been aware they were infected with. If that doesn't seem practical (the whole clients not revealing personal info, faked, forged tests, etc.) then should this not ALWAYS be an extra charge service as the SP is assuming a greater risk than a client who is satisfied to keep both anal and oral protected?

I don't understand the need for a bright light inspection?
And why would it take more than a few seconds anyway?
Why wouldn't any sane person look at bit?
People just walk in, it is pitch black and no one can see anything?
When is this happening?

How are you inspecting each others tests in the dark?
I would need bright lights and reading glasses to read any document of this type,
Toban I suspect may need even more to read it.
I am sure there is lights involved always,
unless you are banging someone you just picked up at the bar in the back seat of your car late at night in the dark.
Come on....get real.

If the conditions are contagious then there will be physical and noticeable symptoms.
If there is no noticeable lesions, there probably isn't anything to catch.
HPV can live on the skin, but you can also not test for it.
Warts look and feel pretty obvious.

You are saying that the test results will override anything you see?
I would never trust ANY piece of paper over visible evidence.
You can forge anything, why not a test?
Genital warts and HPV don't show up on these tests, for one.
I believe Herpes can be hard to pin down with tests sometimes too, and is not contagious unless there are lesions.

I am not saying don't get tested, but a test is only one defense.
Sure it would be fantastic if everyone had tests to trade.
However tests don't tell you everything and you don't know what happened between tests.
If there is warts or lesions, throwing a condom on it is not a solution.

A simple inspection is the best thing to do.
They even taught us this in sex education class in elementary school.
The fact is, you basically inspect it without knowing it.
You want to see the genitals to get turned on, if they look improper that would certainly be a turn off.
I cannot see any client not wanting to see your junk, and vice versa.

[TSFantasia]

I'm not saying one excludes the other or that there are no lights available but most sessions start with "mood" lighting or nightstand lamps and a visual inspection although good is only what you can see with your eye and reveals symptoms during outbreaks (ie herpes, lesions, open sores, etc) not in between. Doesn't reveal what might be just inside the urethra or just inside the anal opening someone is darting their tongue into. And if a client's STD test result is irrelevant then so is the SP's! You both just take each other's word do your visual inspection and either wrap or don't wrap and hope for the best?? How do I know the guy didn't just find out he is HIV positive from a cheating GF or infected SP and he's out for revenge on all the dirty cheating whores! LOL. Again as a SP if I offer bare oral it will be at a premium as I'm assuming a greater risk.

[xoxJanexox]

I don't understand the need for a bright light inspection?
And why would it take more than a few seconds anyway?
Why wouldn't any sane person look at bit?
People just walk in, it is pitch black and no one can see anything?
When is this happening?

How are you inspecting each others tests in the dark?
I would need bright lights and reading glasses to read any document of this type,
Toban I suspect may need even more to read it.
I am sure there is lights involved always,
unless you are banging someone you just picked up at the bar in the back seat of your car late at night in the dark.
Come on....get real.

If the conditions are contagious then there will be physical and noticeable symptoms.
If there is no noticeable lesions, there probably isn't anything to catch.
HPV can live on the skin, but you can also not test for it.
Warts look and feel pretty obvious.

You are saying that the test results will override anything you see?
I would never trust ANY piece of paper over visible evidence.
You can forge anything, why not a test?
Genital warts and HPV don't show up on these tests, for one.
I believe Herpes can be hard to pin down with tests sometimes too, and is not contagious unless there are lesions.

I am not saying don't get tested, but a test is only one defense.
Sure it would be fantastic if everyone had tests to trade.
However tests don't tell you everything and you don't know what happened between tests.
If there is warts or lesions, throwing a condom on it is not a solution.

A simple inspection is the best thing to do.
They even taught us this in sex education class in elementary school.
The fact is, you basically inspect it without knowing it.
You want to see the genitals to get turned on, if they look improper that would certainly be a turn off.
I cannot see any client not wanting to see your junk, and vice versa.

Bingo, there you got it!
So, we are asking clients to show us STD test results?
Let's assume for the sake of an argument they will agree. Haven't we heard of state IDs fakers?
Is an STD paper anymore difficult than a toilet paper to replicate?

I tend to agree with Crag on this subject overall.

And, I won't substitute safety with higher premiums. Even, if the client can afford $$$ but his genitals are gross, there is no way I will touch them. I actually inspect all my clients, I don't tell them this but I do it.

Also, "part" of minimizing our risks is selecting our clients.