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My Condo in Pattaya

I have mentioned where we were staying earlier in the thread, but someone asked about a condo.

This View Talay 6 condo building is where i have been staying for a few years now.
There is several condo companies that rent condos in the building but lately I have been Renting from Honey's Coffee house.
http://www.honeyscoffeehouse.com/
The site is hard to navigate but you can just email them with your dates.
If you search this building on the web you will find other companies, also in my other Thailand threads including earlier in this one.

It is right beside the beach and the Hilton Hotel that has a huge mall which also houses the Tiffany Ladyboy Show.
There is a huge swimming pool and many many suites. I paid around 2200 baht per day with no free cleaning, in a full studio suite on the 22nd floor.
There is other View Talay buildings with rentals in different areas too.

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Here is some pics of Massy on the balcony of my condo the night of the volleyball charity auction.

[ladyluv]

This is entirely true. I spent a month in Nana last year and white t girls get a huge premium. Supply and demand.

Calling BS on this

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This is entirely true. I spent a month in Nana last year and white t girls get a huge premium. Supply and demand.

I have been to Nana hundreds of times and spent countless hours observing people go in and out, and inside the bars.
Rarely have I seen any caucasian non-thai ladyboys in the area, much less working.
Where in Nana could I go to observe this phenomena?

I am not saying it couldn't happen but why would you pay 10000 baht when you can pretty much have any Ladyboy in Thailand for 2000-3000 baht for the entire night?
Plus many ladyboys in Thailand are completely white, some even have blonde hair.
If you are super rich and like American Tgirls, why wouldn't you fly to Los Angeles or New York and have your fill.
The average price in these places is around $200 per session.

To me the only difference between low end and high end escorts is the price.
In reality you can only charge high end if you are a famous porn star or celebrity.
Mint, Areeya, Yasmin Lee etc.

[Chloev69]

I have flown to LA, vegas and NYC for that reason alone!!
Over the last 10 years I have spent a fortune but what I received was worth it
And I aint stopping yet..........Brazil would be my next destination but I need more info.
Congrats on your trip, it looked amazing!!!!!!

I have been to Nana hundreds of times and spent countless hours observing people go in and out, and inside the bars.
Rarely have I seen any caucasian non-thai ladyboys in the area, much less working.
Where in Nana could I go to observe this phenomena?

I am not saying it couldn't happen but why would you pay 10000 baht when you can pretty much have any Ladyboy in Thailand for 2000-3000 baht for the entire night?
Plus many ladyboys in Thailand are completely white, some even have blonde hair.
If you are super rich and like American Tgirls, why wouldn't you fly to Los Angeles or New York and have your fill.
The average price in these places is around $200 per session.

To me the only difference between low end and high end escorts is the price.
In reality you can only charge high end if you are a famous porn star or celebrity.
Mint, Areeya, Yasmin Lee etc.

[Alexis]

Give me a break guys..

You've got to be kidding..

I went out for dinner with this guy and spent almost 4 hours with him for $10,000BHT ($330).. There was minimal sex involved really.. lots and lots of talking which he really enjoyed and commended me on..

I'm not saying I was making money hand over fist.. I am saying that it seems easy to find clients there tho.. I wasn't even trying to hustle.. Guys were coming up to me..

I do recommend that you do not step on any toes there tho.. the other girls will get upset if you take their clients away.. I found it much more fun to just hang out with them and tease the guys..

I just went out to have some fun during the moments when I felt up to it and that was what happened..

To think that there are no men in Bangkok that would spend a few hundred on a girl for an evening is retarded..

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You've got to be kidding..

I went out for dinner with this guy and spent almost 4 hours with him for $10,000BHT ($330).. There was minimal sex involved really.. lots and lots of talking which he really enjoyed and commended me on..

I'm not saying I was making money hand over fist.. I am saying that it seems easy to find clients there tho.. I wasn't even trying to hustle.. Guys were coming up to me..

I do recommend that you do not step on any toes there tho.. the other girls will get upset if you take their clients away.. I found it much more fun to just hang out with them and tease the guys..

I just went out to have some fun during the moments when I felt up to it and that was what happened..

To think that there are no men in Bangkok that would spend a few hundred on a girl for an evening is retarded..

Sure there is a couple guys that might spend 10000 baht for a night with a TS, it doesn't happen often in Thailand.
If you found people willing to pay this, that is fantastic, but is it not common.
I can pretty much talk to ladyboys with minimal sex all night for the cost of drinks.
So if there was interest it usually will be guys expecting the local rates which is 2-3000 baht.
For the most part Nana is full of cheapskates, not high rollers.

Another member said it is common place in Nana for Non Thai white Tgirls making more money, It rarely happens at all really.
I don't want to get into a big argument about this because the fact is, This is not commonplace in Thailand no matter who you are.

The part about stepping on toes is true but it is not really the other girls you have to worry about, it is the police and local mafias.
If the police find out a foreigner is working in Thailand as a prostitute, you will get hauled in tested and fined (bribe).
If they find any drugs or disease in your blood test, your fine could be huge.
This is mainly because you have not paid any protection or tips to the powers that be.
The bars all pay this and the girls on the street also have to pay it, or they won't be on the street.
I would be especially wary of Thai men offering larger than normal sums of money, chances are they are an informant or officer.
Of course if you do piss of any of the other girls they could make you known to the powers that be.

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Ladyboy Volleyball Charity Auction at Kings Bar

So usually they hold a charity auction at the Ladyboy Volleyball tourney on November 1. However this year due to the rain the auction portion of the evening go postponed. So it was now being held at King's Bar on November 8. I had already donated a large bottle of Crown Royal on behalf of tgirlforums.com. I also donated 6000 baht for tgirlforums.com and another 6000 baht for theladyboyforums.com. The Crown Royal only went for 1200 baht which is below cost, someone got a good deal. I bought a bottle of Chanel perfume for my date for 2000 baht from the auction.

Massy convinced me to go dressed with matching superman shirts, so we were the super couple I guess.
Also a pic of the Bar Day manager with a couple of the tgirls at the bar.

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Few more pics of the Boss Lady with the Ladyboys.

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So here is some pics of Hom dancing at Kings Bar Pattaya, also with some other girls and some out on the street.
She is in this volleyball pic and Ray mentioned how he liked the girl in the glasses.
She is also in the pics in the previous post.
She is very wild and never quiet, also very passable.
I think she would be a handful for any man.

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So we decided to go finish the night off dancing at the Issan Thai country music bar on walking street.
Hom asked if I could pay her bar fine and take her along so I did.
She is just a wild time and you never know what to expect.
On the way back she tormented the other uptight passengers by standing out the back letting her dress blow up.
This exposed her panties most of the trip back home, with a noticeable bulge.

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So many trips and you have no clue. The ladyboy/tgirl market in Bangkok/Nana is multi-layered, depending on what you're buying and where. Internet agencies regularly market the same girl you'll see in Nana for three and sometimes ten times what you'll pay on the street or in the bars. It's always wankers like you who have no clue about the upper end who say "Why would anyone pay 10,000 baht when there's so much cheap talent about?" Um, discretion, executive privilege (i.e. they don't hit the streets but order in to their hotel rooms), ease, whatever... Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to the market.

There are ladyboys on ThaiFriendly pulling in 10,000 baht per session just by teasing out those men that don't care/want the very best. The rare white tgirls that arrive in Bangkok can go on CL and charge 5-10,000 baht per session and if they are hot, they can get it. Sorry light skin ladyboys are not the same as a pure white tgirl from Canada or Brazil. They are totally different. Add in being able to speak English clearly, and that makes a girl even more valuable. I love ladyboys, but the lack of English is entirely frustrating. My last trip I paid an educated, upscale ladyboy more than 5000 baht a day simply to be with me, because she spoke perfect English and solved so many problems for me in long time mode.

Arguing the laws of supply and demand with men who don't get it is just so boring.

So you come on MY THREAD about MY TRIP and make a comment just because I disagreed with you, then you call me every name in the book?
I represent a real person with my real pictures on this thread. I have never seen any reports from you on trips or otherwise.
You are hiding behind a fake username calling me down with idea whether you have even been there?
I'm just trying to offer a true view of Thailand and having fun with Ladyboys,
if you like to hunker down in your hotel room and pay them 2 or 3 times the going rate, that is your business but certainly not the norm in Thailand.
But don't come on here and spit and spew venom, when have i done that to you?

Then to say I know nothing, someone that has visited Thailand 20 times, married one ladyboy and engaged to another.
Countless trip reports here verifying everything I have done there.
I have a degree in Business majoring in Accounting and Economics.
I have as degree in Computer Science and have worked as a Business Analyst in a major corporation for 18 years.
For nearly 20 years I have been involved with Ladyboys and escorts, including owning hundreds of websites dedicated to the topic.
Meeting thousands of Ladyboys and friend with dozens, and I don't know anything about Supply and Demand? Really?

You said you spent 1 month in Nana, but I suspect you meant Bangkok. Nana is a 4 block square area with the entertainment plaza in the middle.
It is mostly bars and discos with a few hotels and restaurants.
There is no multiple layers in Nana, there is bar girls and there is street girls.

The other layers you talk about are escort agencies and the internet, which are not the same thing.
There is no market in White European or American Tgirls really in Thailand, sure some guys like them but most are coming there looking for Thai ladyboys.
Foreign tgirls cannot replicate the experience of a good Thai ladyboy, it is in their upbringing.
The demand for foreign Tgirls in Thailand is Inelastic there just isn't that much. Who would it be that is demanding them?
You can say there is demand for crucifixs in Iran because there isn't many there now, however lack of something does not specifically mean demand.

Saying any Foreign TS can come to Bangkok and throw an ad on Craiglist and get 10000 is pure speculation, and rarely happens.
Thai men don't have a huge desire for foreign ladyboys and can usually date Thai LBs for free. In reality most of these Thai girl on the internet have some boyfriend behind them. The Asian guys you see in Nana are not generally Thai but Japanese, Korean and other foreigners.
I don't see the point of going to Thailand and sitting in my hotel and ordering escorts I have never met before for multiple times the going rate.
If you don't want to be seen I guess, but why come to Thailand?

Of course you can call and escort agency in any city in the world and pay many times the going rate.
You can meet girls from Thai friendly who probably have many other guys on the go, I've been with some like this and the games they play are many.
As you said the same girls my charge one price on the street, in a bar, at an agency and on the internet, so why would you pay the internet or agency price?
Why are they more "High End" because you book them the most expensive way? Will they suddenly be smarter or better looking?
What else makes high end other than more money? They can have a nice condo, but I can rent a 5 star hotel in Bangkok for $50 most days.

Calling escorts from craiglist or meeting them from the internet in Thailand is risky. If you got robbed or something there is no record of anything and the police probably wouldn't even come. Your date will be out in Nakhon Ratchasima with your stuff before you know it. If you are killed there is no record and nobody will care. You also could have trouble with the police if they are doing a sting, which could put you in jail owing huge bribe money to get out. Going to Nana and picking out a girl is cool with the authorities, calling hookers from craiglist is not.
Still it is much safer, people saw you, you are on cameras you paid a bar fine. The girls in the bars want to keep their jobs, so they are less likely to rob you or play a game on you. Often the bar girls are tested regularly for drugs and STDs, what do you know about that new girl off the internet?
Plus I go to a bar I can pick from many girls and get one I like, not play roulette from the internet and just get and OK one that costs alot.

In Bangkok almost all the ladyboys speak good english. If they go to College (High School) they take many years of English and can usually Speak, read and write quite well. I am not saying I don't pay good girls more than the going rate but the fact is the going rate is 2-3000 baht per session.
Because i am a really nice guy and am not afraid to be seen in the light of day with ladyboys, they will often show me around for free if I need it.
Myself I am trying to learn Thai as much as I can and have become very self sufficient now. Some LBs I have been with don't want you to learn so you are dependent. In reality they respect you more if you know the culture and speak the language and will be more willing to hang out with you for free than any amount of money.

This trip the opposite was true from the past. Massy came up to Bangkok to see me from Pattaya and I showed her around. Took her shopping and taught her how to use the trains, it was kind of a nice change from being dependent.

Don't bother replying if you can't be polite, thanks.

[Ray]

When I read crossovers comments I couldn't wait for a response from you Crag. You did not disappoint.

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When I read crossovers comments I couldn't wait for a response from you Crag. You did not disappoint.

Plus you got to see more pictures of Hom from Kings Bar.

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So that is it for the Pattaya part of my trip. I had a great time with Massy and hanging out with the gang at Kings Bar.
Plus I went to many parties and met many new people.
So now it is off to Bangkok now, leaving Massy behind. Of Course she wants to go with me but I feel like being single again, for now.
Plus I have to say goodbye to her some time either it be now or in 6 days when i leave Bangkok.
Here is a few more pics from the volleyball tourney in Pattaya, I will be posting most of the rest of them here:
http://theladyboyforums.com/asiaboar...lley-Ball-2014