Why Do I Have To Defend Every Review Submitted for Me ???!!!

[TSFantasia]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shill?s=t

shill

/ʃɪl/ Show Spelled [shil] Show IPA Slang. noun 1. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.

2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.


verb (used without object) 3. to work as a shill: He shills for a large casino.


verb (used with object) 4. to advertise or promote (a product) as or in the manner of a huckster; hustle: He was hired to shill a new TV show.

Thanks for that bottomguy and this is why its a BIG deal when someone makes this accusation.
The accusation is that these members are fake that they are made up by the SP or it is a person who was PAID in some manner to make the favourable comments/reviews.

Asking a satisfied customer/client at any business to fill out a customer service/satisfaction survey is NOT a shill. It is letting others know why that customer is satisfied or not with that business, store, SP, etc. Making the person AWARE of where they can submit a review is NOT a shill. When a person makes their first review or fills out their first survey it is NOT for previous customers to critique or to question whether this is a real customer or not. ALL of this join date, previous posts, etc etc is NONSENSE!!

[Gypsy1955]

Ok ok ok!!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shill?s=t

I have already been corrected on that and looked it up. It's a real word. I was under that impression it was not because I was told it was something concocted for the review section and took it per batam. Thank you.

[TSFantasia]

I have already been corrected on that and looked it up. It's a real word. I was under that impression it was not because I was told it was something concocted for the review section and took it per batam. Thank you.

BTW there are 5 reviews of me here and now thanks to freuden 3 out of 5 of them are tainted with this "shill" BS! That's how I was "welcomed" to this forum with the first review of me by dmelo being attacked by the "old boys club". There are girls who have been escorting for a lot longer than me who have no reviews or one review.

This logic makes me scream! "SPs should have regular STD tests and results to show." Ok here's mine "Those are no good, how do I know they are real? That was only good until your next apt!"
"SPs should have good reviews!" OK here are mine. "Those are no good, how do we know they are real? You just made that person up!"

[Gypsy1955]

Reviews

Fantasia, I know where you're coming from. I haven't been on here very long myself because I've never heard of it. Then I found the forum by accident while looking for something unrelated. Curiosity made me look.

Within a few weeks and without either of the girls knowing I did 3 reviews, 2 of them on 1 girl that I was very close to and had visited numerous times. The reviews were very real, they were as I felt in my own mind. Not only that, she already had a few reviews which were pretty good. Afterwards I texted her to tell I did reviews so she could read them. Immediately, without even looking she got mad at me saying she didn't want me to do any reviews on her. I asked why and she said because people won't believe them. I told her she was crazy!
As sure as there's shit for brains in someone's head...within' days it was called a phoney! So, I stopped doing reviews!

BTW, none of this bs sways me away from wanting to meet you. I'm incorrigible lol! I'm sure others (except fruden) feel the same way.

[ladyluv]

Your heads are really like brick walls aren't they? Read my previous post comments about this type of logic.

And if nice eyes with FOUR posts in 2 1/2 years wants to talk about CREDIBILITY then he needs to do a couple more 100 posts before I will be taking his credibility seriously. If I want to vent I will vent and why are you jumping to every critics defense anyways Shyla? I don't do this in your posts when you are adamantly expressing yourself, especially the sticking my nose into a discussion between you and someone else so please don't in mine.

Pretty obvious that Nice_Eyes is Shyla. Also all Shyla does is come on here and ridicule, insult, argue or down grade people. Always got something to pick on someone about and just an annoying know it all.

[ladyluv]

Fantasia, I know where you're coming from. I haven't been on here very long myself because I've never heard of it. Then I found the forum by accident while looking for something unrelated. Curiosity made me look.

Within a few weeks and without either of the girls knowing I did 3 reviews, 2 of them on 1 girl that I was very close to and had visited numerous times. The reviews were very real, they were as I felt in my own mind. Not only that, she already had a few reviews which were pretty good. Afterwards I texted her to tell I did reviews so she could read them. Immediately, without even looking she got mad at me saying she didn't want me to do any reviews on her. I asked why and she said because people won't believe them. I told her she was crazy!
As sure as there's shit for brains in someone's head...within' days it was called a phoney! So, I stopped doing reviews!

BTW, none of this bs sways me away from wanting to meet you. I'm incorrigible lol! I'm sure others (except fruden) feel the same way.

You told her you did a review? Idiot !!!

[TSFantasia]

Fantasia, I know where you're coming from. I haven't been on here very long myself because I've never heard of it. Then I found the forum by accident while looking for something unrelated. Curiosity made me look.

Within a few weeks and without either of the girls knowing I did 3 reviews, 2 of them on 1 girl that I was very close to and had visited numerous times. The reviews were very real, they were as I felt in my own mind. Not only that, she already had a few reviews which were pretty good. Afterwards I texted her to tell I did reviews so she could read them. Immediately, without even looking she got mad at me saying she didn't want me to do any reviews on her. I asked why and she said because people won't believe them. I told her she was crazy!
As sure as there's shit for brains in someone's head...within' days it was called a phoney! So, I stopped doing reviews!

BTW, none of this bs sways me away from wanting to meet you. I'm incorrigible lol! I'm sure others (except fruden) feel the same way.

This will continue until ADMIN stops it there are sections like this for going back and forth on a topic and stating opposing views and opinions. The escort review section is NOT that place. Guys can say thanks for the review, or great info, or more info please? Etc. Or I also saw that SP and my experience was such and such..."

For someone to scream "SHILL!" when they have no personal knowledge of either the SP or the client/member is a serious accusation. I see it as defamation of character as it is an accusation of fraud, misrepresentation, deceit, etc. People get taken to court over that shit in the real world. Escorting is a business if people make public statements of fraud, etc against a business that is unsubstantiated or baseless and it effects that business your damn rights someones getting taken to court!

Of course in a forum of anonymous, faceless usernames that is not practical. But ADMIN can forbid this type of thing in certain sections as a BANNABLE OFFENCE! Can I flip through other SP's reviews and comment FAKE, FAKE, SHILL, SHILL??
But I found out in another controversy that others can call me fake, phony, deceitful, etc. and as soon as I get upset and identify them I am told by ADMIN "What's your problem?" I'm waiting to hear that again soon on this issue.

[SteveMcG]

A couple of things and this after I had defended Fantasia but...

1) credibility of reviews is damaged if it's a one or two post poster. Cest la vie. People won't believe them unless a) they know the reviewee and this lines up with their own view or b) if the poster sticks around thereafter and "buys" some credibility. Fantasia, you need to chill out and accept this as part of life on any forum.

2) people may choose to call "shill" through exasperation or malice when they see this. I personally don't think it's necessary as those reviews speak for themselves. However,

3) when someone does call shill, the provider or reviewer has the right of reply. Fantasia elected to reply and provided evidence which strongly supports the claim that these reviews are from genuine, happy, repeat clients. In fact, it's indisputable as far as I'm concerned.

4) the reasonable thing for Freuden to do would have been to back off and apologise and he didn't. For this I think Fantasia has the right to feel upset however the cool thing to do would have been to calmly defend her position on one thread or take it to
PM. There is no need for multiple threads on one issue. That said, I think a retraction is in order or the threads should be edited and the offending posts removed.

5) the only other thing is whether it is a good thing (or "right") to solicit reviews from regulars. If you want reviews and believe they will push business then it is 100% the right thing to do. I think it is great business especially in a smaller market like Sask. Good for you Fantasia. For Jane or others to claim that this is not right or bad business practice is quite petty.

But a word of friendly advice Fantasia, these overreactions (multiple threads on one issue wherein you go on a wild offensive) do more to create bad perceptions than a spazz like Freuden.

[Gypsy1955]

Go fuck YERSELF!!

You told her you did a review? Idiot !!!

yes ladyluv, that's for you!

[vancouverman]

The "you are a shill" stuff is why I have never posted a review. I don't post on the forum much.... only a handful of posts, I read it , find out about a girl here and there, and that is it. Because I don't post, I know I will get nailed with SHILL if I tell them I had a great experience. I also had 3 bad experiences in 2012 and 2013 and did NOT post a review because I would have likely been trashed as "competitor slamming a girl". (even though I would have liked to warn everyone)

It isn't easy to place reviews unless you are a guy who posts a lot. Just the way it is.

PS = I saw somewhere in this thread the "closet gay" insult. Look, I think it is a bit silly for guys who want to suck cocks to call themselves straight, but that is ok. I don't think we need labels anyways. We love girls, but we love the function of a cock. Nothing to be ashamed of. But some of the girls on here throw that insult around and it is not reasonable. I like to fuck a girl in the ass, and also enjoy it in return. I don't get any enjoyment out of sucking a TG cock, but I do love the anal stuff. That is me. I date women regularly and always will. Who cares what that makes me, we don't need labels!

[TSFantasia]

A couple of things and this after I had defended Fantasia but...

1) credibility of reviews is damaged if it's a one or two post poster. Cest la vie. People won't believe them unless a) they know the reviewee and this lines up with their own view or b) if the poster sticks around thereafter and "buys" some credibility. Fantasia, you need to chill out and accept this as part of life on any forum.

2) people may choose to call "shill" through exasperation or malice when they see this. I personally don't think it's necessary as those reviews speak for themselves. However,

3) when someone does call shill, the provider or reviewer has the right of reply. Fantasia elected to reply and provided evidence which strongly supports the claim that these reviews are from genuine, happy, repeat clients. In fact, it's indisputable as far as I'm concerned.

4) the reasonable thing for Freuden to do would have been to back off and apologise and he didn't. For this I think Fantasia has the right to feel upset however the cool thing to do would have been to calmly defend her position on one thread or take it to
PM. There is no need for multiple threads on one issue. That said, I think a retraction is in order or the threads should be edited and the offending posts removed.

5) the only other thing is whether it is a good thing (or "right") to solicit reviews from regulars. If you want reviews and believe they will push business then it is 100% the right thing to do. I think it is great business especially in a smaller market like Sask. Good for you Fantasia. For Jane or others to claim that this is not right or bad business practice is quite petty.

But a word of friendly advice Fantasia, these overreactions (multiple threads on one issue wherein you go on a wild offensive) do more to create bad perceptions than a spazz like Freuden.

No doubt Steve (thanks for your support btw) I over reacted but as two of my reviews were attacked by this person and that makes 3 out of the 5 I have received have been attacked in this way I was kind of fed up. Also I am attacking this whole notion of credibility based on join date, # of posts, etc. The SMC website has an ESCORT REVIEWS link which leads them to this forum. Then the person finds the Official Escort Reviews link and Official escort review form link. Then they are told they must register. So they do or they say "Forget it!" right there. Then they fill out the review form. Ok I'm done I saw an escort she was good she was bad I put in my review I did my part I'm done until next time.

Oh no first off you shouldn't have put in a review without first joining hanging around several months and submitting several posts before putting in a review or your review and you will be immediately attacked as a fake or shill (Sorry these are unwritten rules or micro-fine print in the back of some members minds that you should have magically known about).

As others in this post have mentioned this has happened to them and why they hesitate in writing reviews good or bad. This has to STOP. ADMIN can STOP it simply the ESCORT REVIEWS are for those who have had first hand experience with the SP. You can take it with a grain of salt but you cannot accuse both the poster and SP of fraud, deceit, misrepresentation , and conspiracy (all contain in the word SHILL) or you will be BANNED from the forum!!

I also see nothing wrong about making guys, who are obviously happy enough with me and my services to see me repeatedly, aware of where they can submit a review if they would like too. Rather than waiting for them to magically stumble upon Tgirlforums, when 90% find me on BP or my website.

[TSFantasia]

The "you are a shill" stuff is why I have never posted a review. I don't post on the forum much.... only a handful of posts, I read it , find out about a girl here and there, and that is it. Because I don't post, I know I will get nailed with SHILL if I tell them I had a great experience. I also had 3 bad experiences in 2012 and 2013 and did NOT post a review because I would have likely been trashed as "competitor slamming a girl". (even though I would have liked to warn everyone)

It isn't easy to place reviews unless you are a guy who posts a lot. Just the way it is.

PS = I saw somewhere in this thread the "closet gay" insult. Look, I think it is a bit silly for guys who want to suck cocks to call themselves straight, but that is ok. I don't think we need labels anyways. We love girls, but we love the function of a cock. Nothing to be ashamed of. But some of the girls on here throw that insult around and it is not reasonable. I like to fuck a girl in the ass, and also enjoy it in return. I don't get any enjoyment out of sucking a TG cock, but I do love the anal stuff. That is me. I date women regularly and always will. Who cares what that makes me, we don't need labels!

And you are right I guess what I mean to say is most trans attracted men, tgirl escort clients are in the closet at least about that part of their sexuality (bicurious, bisexual, trans attracted). This is a factual statement and not a statement of judgement in the escort world it makes no difference .To what extent this effects 1000's of trans women in their pursuit and desire for normal relationships with men is HUGE! You just need to go on any trans forum or group and bring up the subject of dating and relationships and sit back and hear the outpouring of frustration from trans women.

[xoxJanexox]

Pretty obvious that Nice_Eyes is Shyla. Also all Shyla does is come on here and ridicule, insult, argue or down grade people. Always got something to pick on someone about and just an annoying know it all.

People like you should be ridiculed. You talk about a girl who is well know of her support for other t-girls!

[greep]

And you are right I guess what I mean to say is most trans attracted men, tgirl escort clients are in the closet at least about that part of their sexuality (bicurious, bisexual, trans attracted)

If I an Bisexual for liking you..than you must be a guy. Right. (psst: I think you're the one in denial )

IF the males that see you are gay and bisexual: Then why bother with with wig, makeup and pushup bra? If am gay/bisexual for seeing you (like you say) than I dont need you to wear panties. Why dress up? Who are you trying to make feel better us or you?

When will u realize that a man who likes tgirls can be straight. Just like a fully transitioned tgirl who has sex with men, is straight. I don't blame you for having a penis, so don't blame me for sucking it. Also I don't give a fuck what you think I am, what matters is what I think I am.

And finally, don't present yourself as a woman and then call the guys that like you gay- you're the one with the identity issues not us. Its almost as if you are trying to transfer the guilt you feel about yourself on to us guys by shaming us and saying we are the ones that are gay.

Why can't you just embrace yourself as a woman and accept that men like you. Stop being in denial and just accept yourself as a true woman. It seem most tgirls reach a point where they can do this....some, like you and Barbie seem to be immaturely stunted in your transition and cant seem to pull of this phase...





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[greep]

And you are right I guess what I mean to say is most trans attracted men, tgirl escort clients are in the closet at least about that part of their sexuality (bicurious, bisexual, trans attracted)

oops double post.read above.