TOP GUYS: Keep Up The Good Work! :)

[Tia Phoenixx]

eh? All I said was that you always post about how annoyed you are at men who don't top, and always on the same theme. If you like men to fuck you and you not fuck them, fine, but then I don't see how this thread is any different from the others you've posted. We all know your views on the issue, which again is no different to what you've said many times before.

Be nice Cameeindos. I personally give a credit to Fantasia for her honestly.

I don;t recall Fantasia gets annoyed for those who like to bottom.

She just expresses her true, inner feeling as a trans woman who like to be treated as a woman and get fucked.

Nothing wrong with that

[drigger]

Just Did a Count

This post is for TOP guys to know that they are doing just great and not missing out on anything if they choose to approach a T-Girl escort or just a Friday night date as they do any other woman with the exception there is a larger clit to pet, suck, and play with during foreplay and oral. As I mentioned before look back 5 years ago in T-girl porn and you will rarely find this barrage that has over taken she-male porn. So obviously the attraction initially was by men who's turn on was to top these girls. At what point someone came up with the great idea to make the t-girls top guys I don't know. To me as a trans woman this was a most unfavorable curve thrown into the mix.

But just like the guys who enjoy bottoming will continue to post their threads, reviews, picture and video links to that topic I will continue to periodically post my views as a trans woman, t-girl and bottom SP. There are always new guys coming to he forum and yes the older members know my thoughts and opinions on the subject and now new guys do too

Always funny when you hit the hornets' nest you quickly find out who the hornets are!

There is lots on this forum for bottom-orientated guys and plenty of "top only" and "versatile" SPs to go see all the power to you and spend lots of money! I don't see why my views should be attacked by the bottoms and fetish cross dressers, etc. just because I stated my views on it. This would have been a good post for guys who love topping T-girls to discuss their views and experiences but I can see there is too many buzzing hornets around to enjoy the picnic..Lol.

On the first random page on AShemaletube.com. Of the 15 videos featuring anal intercourse between Shemale and Man I counted a total of 2 videos with penetration going both ways, 2 videos of Shemale penetrating the Man (one of which was vintage) and the remaining 11 were of the Man penetrating the Shemale. Perhaps this is not the norm? What say you?

[xoxJanexox]

eh? All I said was that you always post about how annoyed you are at men who don't top, and always on the same theme. If you like men to fuck you and you not fuck them, fine, but then I don't see how this thread is any different from the others you've posted. We all know your views on the issue, which again is no different to what you've said many times before.

We are experiencing currently one of the Adolfinian concentration camps where someone who just got some implants on their chests have found themselves entitled to create some boxes and label them and ultimately fit people into them. I must reassure you that these creatures will ultimately be fitted into the garbage box of history.

[the.wrangler]

We are experiencing currently one of the Adolfinian concentration camps where someone who just got some implants on their chests have found themselves entitled to create some boxes and label them and ultimately fit people into them. I must reassure you that these creatures will ultimately be fitted into the garbage box of history.

.......can't say I follow you here.?

But awesome signature pic! 😊👍

[the.wrangler]

My 2 cents, I like to try everything, but that comes with a deep respect for peoples boundaries and preferences...treat others like you wish to be treated.

I do however hate it when someone is just going through the motions, i.e topping when they clearly have no interest in it. If a girl states she is versatile I am expecting that to be an honest and sincere preference. No judgement one way or the other. I would expect the same in return.

In terms of preference, I am and have always been strongly attracted to trans women. It goes beyond simple physical attraction and the sex. I have however never met a trans women socially or professionally. When I am with an escort trans women I am looking for some chemistry, the sex and preference will sort itself out from there if we are honest and open and actually like each other. Sounds naive...I know.

In terms of the discussion and dialog here...have to say I some truly insightful thoughtful and articulate posts.

Nailed it mate...what a fantastic post. You hit my key points and then some.

[TSFantasia]

My 2 cents, I like to try everything, but that comes with a deep respect for peoples boundaries and preferences...treat others like you wish to be treated.

I do however hate it when someone is just going through the motions, i.e topping when they clearly have no interest in it. If a girl states she is versatile I am expecting that to be an honest and sincere preference. No judgement one way or the other. I would expect the same in return.

In terms of preference, I am and have always been strongly attracted to trans women. It goes beyond simple physical attraction and the sex. I have however never met a trans women socially or professionally. When I am with an escort trans women I am looking for some chemistry, the sex and preference will sort itself out from there if we are honest and open and actually like each other. Sounds naive...I know.

In terms of the discussion and dialog here...have to say I some truly insightful thoughtful and articulate posts.

Well I'm glad your a t-girl admirer and enthusiast but as you said you don't know one personally or professionally on the other hand I am one and I know 100's personally and 1000s through trans forums, supports groups, etc.

Also the idea that an escort is doing ANYTHING with you because it is her personal preference is yes very na?ve. We are doing it for the Money as our personal preference would not be to sell our bodies for money, but it beats giving it away to the droves of chasers, who would want to come in under the cover of darkness with their baseball caps and sunglasses still on and have their "tranny fetish fuck" without so much the courtesy of a 6 pack of beer, bottle of wine or any other small token of appreciation.

Is it a T-Girls preference to have sex without any romance or foreplay with men twice her age perhaps in some cases mordidly obese, etc.? No she is doing for the money. Escorting is a business and it is about buying sex and yes fulfilling sexual fantasies & fetishes. Girls advertise as "versatile" to keep the door open to as many clients as possible and others offer a broad range of additional "fetish" items to expand that even further. Escorting is a business and each decides what products and services they will offer. Within the range of paid activities people should be free to purchase what they like from the SP that offer that service or product.

I post on this subject periodically when I have fresh reminders of how guys cannot separate between fetish fantasies and the real world in their perceptions and approach of trans women in day to day life. And I choose to no longer offer topping as a SP so I can operate with the concept of doing that which I enjoy doing (sex with top orientated men) and get paid for doing it.

So while others want to congratulate themselves on quoting biologically sexed women's, fetish cross dressers', or t-girl enthusiasts' ,who have never met or been with a trans woman (no offence intended) , views and opinions. I am sharing my views and opinions as a trans woman, as an escort, and as someone who DOES personally know 100s of trans women and 1000's through social media groups and forums. You can decide who knows what they are talking about!

[zphyer6]

[QUOTE=TSFantasia;448973
There is lots on this forum for bottom-orientated guys and plenty of "top only" and "versatile" SPs to go see all the power to you and spend lots of money! I don't see why my views should be attacked by the bottoms and fetish cross dressers, etc. just because I stated my views on it. This would have been a good post for guys who love topping T-girls to discuss their views and experiences but I can see there is too many buzzing hornets around to enjoy the picnic..Lol.[/QUOTE]

Well as a top guy who has seen quite a few T-girls, both as providers in this hobby and ones met in real life, your observations about porn increasingly promoting guys bottoming for T-girls is an issue I've been thinking about recently. Don't think for a second that it's only bottom guys that are driving this demand. It goes both ways. In my experience T-girls (especially escorts) are becoming more open to the idea of topping guys and are even starting to crave it.

When I first started hobbying several years ago girls were very happy that I wanted them to bottom, and if they did express even slight interest in topping me I would shoot the idea down and they would quickly get past it. Within the last couple of years an increasing amount of T-girls have tried convincing me to bottom for them or otherwise play with their dick. I'm a total top and tell girls right from the beginning that I have no interest in bottoming, or sucking and touching their dick for that matter. Some girls have become very persistent and aggressive; asking me multiple times to bottom for them, trying to put my hand on their dick, and one even pretended to give me a massage then laid on me and tried to enter me bareback! I've stopped seeing multiple girls because of this absurd behavior. Don't think that I'm not doing my reasearch and picking girls that have a reputation as tops either. I only see girls that advertise as strictly bottom or verse.

It's hard to say for sure why this activity has been increasing. Probably a combination of porn and T-girls just becoming more accustomed to topping guys. If this trend continues I'm probably going to stop seeing T-girl escorts entirely even though I like their blend of passion and slightly andorgynous looks. So girls the next time a guy tells you he's a top and not interested in your dick, it's possible he's not being coy and actually means it. Shocking I know.

[xoxJanexox]

That was a great CV! Because I met them, knew them, I might then belong to them!

Some of our clients will fit as trans women according to the same criteria!

[Tia Phoenixx]

Well as a top guy who has seen quite a few T-girls, both as providers in this hobby and ones met in real life, your observations about porn increasingly promoting guys bottoming for T-girls is an issue I've been thinking about recently. Don't think for a second that it's only bottom guys that are driving this demand. It goes both ways. In my experience T-girls (especially escorts) are becoming more open to the idea of topping guys and are even starting to crave it.

When I first started hobbying several years ago girls were very happy that I wanted them to bottom, and if they did express even slight interest in topping me I would shoot the idea down and they would quickly get past it. Within the last couple of years an increasing amount of T-girls have tried convincing me to bottom for them or otherwise play with their dick. I'm a total top and tell girls right from the beginning that I have no interest in bottoming, or sucking and touching their dick for that matter. Some girls have become very persistent and aggressive; asking me multiple times to bottom for them, trying to put my hand on their dick, and one even pretended to give me a massage then laid on me and tried to enter me bareback! I've stopped seeing multiple girls because of this absurd behavior. Don't think that I'm not doing my reasearch and picking girls that have a reputation as tops either. I only see girls that advertise as strictly bottom or verse.

It's hard to say for sure why this activity has been increasing. Probably a combination of porn and T-girls just becoming more accustomed to topping guys. If this trend continues I'm probably going to stop seeing T-girl escorts entirely even though I like their blend of passion and slightly andorgynous looks. So girls the next time a guy tells you he's a top and not interested in your dick, it's possible he's not being coy and actually means it. Shocking I know.

I have observed that too. I couldn't believe it at the beginning that some girls are truly top only, they even like other girls too. Mama mia

I'm very vanilla compared to them, for sure.

However, I still truly believe that most transgirls like to bottom for men. So not too worried too much my friend, you can call either fantasia or me lol.

In Asia for instance, 90 percent tgirls I know are bottom or versatile. Mostly bottom

In Turkey and all Arab countries, most men who like tgirls are top.

Only in the western world, I see these kind of variation

[GTanker]

To zphyer6,

Good points and I agree that times are changing. I believe we are seeing a paradigm shift due to a long overdue social awakening that is more permissive of all the variations we humans actually reflect. We are and always have been a mix of hetero, gay, bi, trans and all combinations in between. The legalization of gay marriage has been a catalyst for the general population in the more enlightened societies to say "who gives a shit what peoples sexual preferences are"...the religious right is freaking out, but for those of us that do not need make believe friends for adults, who cares.

Combine this greater tolerance with many other factors, which as Tia points out can be things like geo-cultural and bang...we are some seriously complex people these days.

Ultimately, we grow and become a better people because of all this complexity/diversity.

To TSFantasia,

I am under no illusions with respect to the motivations of escorts. I have forgotten more about business/commerce than most people will ever know. Not a brag, it's my profession. In these professional circles, where the 1%ers work, there are no trans women. There are however people like me, who are willing, able, and actually work towards paving the road for trans women to take their place if they wish. When that day happens nobody will be happier than me.

I do not troll trans support groups, nor do I have the time to post aimlessly on online forums, and all the risks associated with that approach. I also know the difference between fetish/fantasy sexual impulses and, for whatever reason, a physical and emotional preference to be with trans women over other preference. It's just the way some of us are wired.

I do not pretend to understand the experiences of being transgender, but it seems to me, from my experiences with trans escorts, many of them, do not seem to understand there are men our there that have more than just a purely sexual attraction to trans women. In the absence of the opportunity to meet those women we contract escorts without any illusion of exactly what the terms, conditions and limitations of that agreement are. The illusion I do purchase is fleeting and does nothing but sustain me. I have no expectations beyond that. If others do, they are delusional.

I get and appreciate your perspective, but not all "johns" are employing escorts for baser motivations...well maybe just partially

my 2 cents...probably said way more than I should have, but it's been building. Let the long weekend begin.

[toban]

Why do men become "bottoms"?

Could the dearth of tops noted by Fantasia simply be the result of Canada’s past reliance upon the ancient body of laws assimilated from our motherland, making all anal intercourse a crime?

As has been noted by Tia, a well seasoned international traveller, different sexual conventions are practiced in different parts of this world. Anal intercourse between heterosexual couples is considered quite acceptable in some parts of the world, and she reports that clients from some areas are more likely to prefer to “top” than those from the Western countries! Could one of these “top” countries be Greece?

In other areas of the world anal intercourse is less commonly accepted and even considered illegal in some counties as exemplified in the Sodomy and Buggery laws this country once enforced vigorously but which were repealled in the 70’s thanks to one P. E. Trudeau.

My question(s) then would be:

Are males from areas where heterosexual anal intercourse is considered acceptable more likely to be “tops” in their couplings with transgendered partners? If that is so then could their preference to “top” have come about because of their prior experiences with their female partners? In other words - for such guys to top any partner whether M, F or T would just be “second nature” for such men!

Conversely, since males from areas where anal intercourse had traditionally been taboo/illegal e.g. N.America (or places where it may still be), have almost no experiences or precedents to follow when engaging in such actions with transexual partners. Without any precedents or experiences to rely upon then, I have to wonder if these first-timers:-
were initially induced to bottom by their first trans-partner
or
did they become bottoms by happenstance or circumstance?

Another chicken or egg phenomena!

[Tia Phoenixx]

To zphyer6,

Good points and I agree that times are changing. I believe we are seeing a paradigm shift due to a long overdue social awakening that is more permissive of all the variations we humans actually reflect. We are and always have been a mix of hetero, gay, bi, trans and all combinations in between. The legalization of gay marriage has been a catalyst for the general population in the more enlightened societies to say "who gives a shit what peoples sexual preferences are"...the religious right is freaking out, but for those of us that do not need make believe friends for adults, who cares.

Combine this greater tolerance with many other factors, which as Tia points out can be things like geo-cultural and bang...we are some seriously complex people these days.

Ultimately, we grow and become a better people because of all this complexity/diversity.

To TSFantasia,

I am under no illusions with respect to the motivations of escorts. I have forgotten more about business/commerce than most people will ever know. Not a brag, it's my profession. In these professional circles, where the 1%ers work, there are no trans women. There are however people like me, who are willing, able, and actually work towards paving the road for trans women to take their place if they wish. When that day happens nobody will be happier than me.

I do not troll trans support groups, nor do I have the time to post aimlessly on online forums, and all the risks associated with that approach. I also know the difference between fetish/fantasy sexual impulses and, for whatever reason, a physical and emotional preference to be with trans women over other preference. It's just the way some of us are wired.

I do not pretend to understand the experiences of being transgender, but it seems to me, from my experiences with trans escorts, many of them, do not seem to understand there are men our there that have more than just a purely sexual attraction to trans women. In the absence of the opportunity to meet those women we contract escorts without any illusion of exactly what the terms, conditions and limitations of that agreement are. The illusion I do purchase is fleeting and does nothing but sustain me. I have no expectations beyond that. If others do, they are delusional.

I get and appreciate your perspective, but not all "johns" are employing escorts for baser motivations...well maybe just partially

my 2 cents...probably said way more than I should have, but it's been building. Let the long weekend begin.

Oh...that is sweet

There are trans women who are on the executive world or work on other fields besides escorting. In the pacific islands, Samoa in particular. I have seen twomen working on regular jobs. I know one who is the principal of a local high school.

Unfortunately, many of these women do not want to participate on a forum like this, which is understandable.

It's time to raise the awareness that even though we are escort, we are not a criminal and we are not stupid
.

Having said that, it is important for some of us, the seniors in this industry, keep participating in the forum like this even though we are no longer an escort some day.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Could the dearth of tops noted by Fantasia simply be the result of Canada’s past reliance upon the ancient body of laws assimilated from our motherland, making all anal intercourse a crime?

As has been noted by Tia, a well seasoned international traveller, different sexual conventions are practiced in different parts of this world. Anal intercourse between heterosexual couples is considered quite acceptable in some parts of the world, and she reports that clients from some areas are more likely to prefer to “top” than those from the Western countries! Could one of these “top” countries be Greece?

In other areas of the world anal intercourse is less commonly accepted and even considered illegal in some counties as exemplified in the Sodomy and Buggery laws this country once enforced vigorously but which were repealled in the 70’s thanks to one P. E. Trudeau.

My question(s) then would be:

Are males from areas where heterosexual anal intercourse is considered acceptable more likely to be “tops” in their couplings with transgendered partners? If that is so then could their preference to “top” have come about because of their prior experiences with their female partners? In other words - for such guys to top any partner whether M, F or T would just be “second nature” for such men!

Conversely, since males from areas where anal intercourse had traditionally been taboo/illegal e.g. N.America (or places where it may still be), have almost no experiences or precedents to follow when engaging in such actions with transexual partners. Without any precedents or experiences to rely upon then, I have to wonder if these first-timers:-
were initially induced to bottom by their first trans-partner
or
did they become bottoms by happenstance or circumstance?

Another chicken or egg phenomena!

I think most us have sex triggered by basic instinct, though I agree norms and religious belief might give some influence in doing so.

In some countries, Arab countries notably, if you are not a top, you are gay. If you top a tgirl or even a man, you're not a gay because you fuck them.

Lol. I like this belief, no wonder I go to Turkey and to Arab countries every year to taste these handsome men.

After they fuck me, they are so proud and they will tell their friends, then the next day I find out that my hotel is full of boys waiting for their turn lol

Same thing happens with tgirls in Asia. If the girls are not bottom, she is perceived as not feminine and girly enough.

No wonder I don't like travelling to Asia for fun, because the men don't perceive me as being feminine enough for them.

That is life.

BTW, not in Greece though. Greek are European and they are pretty modern and open.

However, most men who are attracted to feminine and passable tgirls are capable being a top anyway since they like women too. So, you can put any of our beauty in here in any country. I'm sure she will have a great time lol.

I like Greece, because it is such a gorgeous country. Of course, I like the men too. I like hairy men

[Franklinzed]

TOP GUYS: Keep Up The Good Work!

On a shallow point, been watching tgirl porn since 2006 and that thing of tgirls topping becoming more popular? While there are more topping videos these days, tgirls bottoming still forms a majority of the penetration vids.
From a pervert who's probably spent 1000s of hours looking through this stuff

[cameeindos]

Could the dearth of tops noted by Fantasia simply be the result of Canada?s past reliance upon the ancient body of laws assimilated from our motherland, making all anal intercourse a crime?

As has been noted by Tia, a well seasoned international traveller, different sexual conventions are practiced in different parts of this world. Anal intercourse between heterosexual couples is considered quite acceptable in some parts of the world, and she reports that clients from some areas are more likely to prefer to ?top? than those from the Western countries! Could one of these ?top? countries be Greece?

In other areas of the world anal intercourse is less commonly accepted and even considered illegal in some counties as exemplified in the Sodomy and Buggery laws this country once enforced vigorously but which were repealled in the 70?s thanks to one P. E. Trudeau.

My question(s) then would be:

Are males from areas where heterosexual anal intercourse is considered acceptable more likely to be ?tops? in their couplings with transgendered partners? If that is so then could their preference to ?top? have come about because of their prior experiences with their female partners? In other words - for such guys to top any partner whether M, F or T would just be ?second nature? for such men!

Conversely, since males from areas where anal intercourse had traditionally been taboo/illegal e.g. N.America (or places where it may still be), have almost no experiences or precedents to follow when engaging in such actions with transexual partners. Without any precedents or experiences to rely upon then, I have to wonder if these first-timers:-
were initially induced to bottom by their first trans-partner
or
did they become bottoms by happenstance or circumstance?

Another chicken or egg phenomena!

er.. yeah... I'm British and UK laws haven't changed much since the time Canada was a British colony.... Anal sex is not illegal here, but you're your own country, you can have any laws you want now..