ESCORTING: Making Guys Pay Their Share of the Fantasy :)

[cameeindos]

To an extent what you are saying here is reasonable. But I would add that society is changing for sure. The younger crowd nowadays is more open sexually. I see the girls today are more open to their boyfriends being bisexual in an actual sense. Attraction to t-girls is for the most part understood by the younger generation as attraction to femininity. Could it turn to jealousy, it certainly could and I have experienced that twice.

I can see things changing for the better for TSs soon...keep the faith!

[TSFantasia]

To an extent what you are saying here is reasonable. But I would add that society is changing for sure. The younger crowd nowadays is more open sexually. I see the girls today are more open to their boyfriends being bisexual in an actual sense. Attraction to t-girls is for the most part understood by the younger generation as attraction to femininity. Could it turn to jealousy, it certainly could and I have experienced that twice.

Definitely the younger generation is very "worldly-wise" at a much younger age thanks to the internet and easy access to every topic possible. They are coming out as gay/bi/etc at an earlier age and individuals are recognizing themselves as trans at an earlier age and therefore starting their transition much younger. While many of us struggled for years wondering WTF was going on with our thoughts, feelings and emotions because "we weren't supposed be feeling that way"!
And yes I've heard about the jealousy thing from other trans girls especially the Youtube bloggers how even supportive female friends quickly feel the need to expose their "T" if they are getting more attention from the guys than them. Hmmmm welcome to womanhood I guess

[bigmtsl]

Well said vancouverman! ia I fully support what you are ding and the reasons for it. There is a price to pay for everything in life...its just a matter of whether we want to pay it or not. Personally I have no problem paying for it and quite like the arrangement. Beats the BS of dating, hoping to get laid etc.

You keep going girl!

[Alexis]

I agree.

Too many transexuals expect the men who desire them to be as liberated as they are. It's completely reasonable to expect a man who sucks your cock and gets fucked in the ass to support you in the "real world" but anyone with a brain knows it's not quite that simple.

I am lucky in that I am completely unashamed of either my desires or my public profile out and about with gays, lesbians, whatever, but this took years of slow and progressive unchaining of myself. It takes time, and not everyone is on your time schedule. This is what's called "compassion": Gently and slowly allowing people to take a stand and support you. Hectoring and shaming doesn't work in this context. It actually pushes things backwards.

I think trans people are enormously brave. It takes such balls to be this "different" in a world of utter almost complete conformity. But expecting people to be brave in the same way as you is silly and unrealistic. Asking them to support you and pointing out their contradictions is perfectly fine if done from a position of calm tolerance and love, but shrieking at "straight" men and demanding them to be public in their support of you is bound to backfire.

Well I disagree..

First off.. the man that dates me.. he's a top.. he'll 69 too but doesn't want me to fuck him.. he's the guy I'm the girl..

Second.. if a guy is going to date me it entails more than activities behind closed doors.. otherwise it's not dating..

I'd wager this is the norm for many girls..

How could you possible care for a girl if you're ashamed to be seen in public with her..

Insisting upon nothing less than equality is the only way to find something meaningful..

Lastly.. there is hope.. I get approached by lots of men in public where ever I might go.. These men are not afraid or ashamed to strike up a conversation.. I've had guys at busy construction sites, random guys when I'm out shopping, guys at the clubs (full of straight people) etc.. To them I give kudos for being real.. I almost never put out tho.. Maybe for some sexy BBC or a muscular guy that's taller than me cuz that's what I like..

But if I have to be your dirty little secret.. well then you're making a donation.. and I am worth every penny..

[ts natasha]

Here is another reality
Go on Craig's list and look at the m4t section
Super hot 20 somethings mostly
And they aren't adhamed, why? Because they see me as
A woman and not the usual bs I hear from paid dates
Like how big is it? Will you fuck me ? Come in my mouth?
You see to the rest if the world they see me as a woman
But here very rarely I am. I'm relegated down to my dick
And not all of us are she male or transvestite class.
I am hyper aware of the men looking at me on the street
Most don't care but here the men are seriously paranoid about
Been seeing with me. There is some truth to the men are pussies.
Mostly with paid dates that is. But there is a difference between
A 26 year old who is 6 ft 2 @ 195 lbs all muscle snd is man
With me and not wanting to be turned into a bitch by bending over
In front of me. The free dates I so which to bad for you guys
That you csnt be secure enough to walk up to me on the street
But they mostly get my attention. As any hooker will say
" I can spot a trick in a crowd " .
I don't believe in the making men pay. I wasn't abused
I come from a good family but my life isn't cheap and there
Always is men who just csnt get past the idea I'm q fetish
And not a woman. They will always pay for my electrolysis
But its almost done and I will be taken off the market soon.
My simple rules to prove your a real man worthy of my attention
Which for the most part I'm out of your league
You must walk down a busy street and talk to me and don't hide your face
You must take me into a busy popular restaurant.
This man is proving very hard to meet but they are out there .

[ts natasha]

Just to clarify what I am saying here this scale is still
Standard today most of you are not actually seeking a woman
A gender variant woman. But really a man.
I am a true ..a class 6. Another reason why I will never
Do as well as the popular ones I'm well a woman.
And I despise being reduced down to my dick.
Maybe that's why most younger men do so much better
With me than most paid dates as they do not see much differance
Between us. They a man and I'm a woman


http://www.genderpsychology.org/tran...njamin_gd.html

[cameeindos]

Well I disagree..

First off.. the man that dates me.. he's a top.. he'll 69 too but doesn't want me to fuck him.. he's the guy I'm the girl..

Second.. if a guy is going to date me it entails more than activities behind closed doors.. otherwise it's not dating..

I'd wager this is the norm for many girls..

How could you possible care for a girl if you're ashamed to be seen in public with her..

Insisting upon nothing less than equality is the only way to find something meaningful..

Lastly.. there is hope.. I get approached by lots of men in public where ever I might go.. These men are not afraid or ashamed to strike up a conversation.. I've had guys at busy construction sites, random guys when I'm out shopping, guys at the clubs (full of straight people) etc.. To them I give kudos for being real.. I almost never put out tho.. Maybe for some sexy BBC or a muscular guy that's taller than me cuz that's what I like..

But if I have to be your dirty little secret.. well then you're making a donation.. and I am worth every penny..

True..still disagree though.... difference between deceit and fear..

[TSFantasia]

Well I disagree..

First off.. the man that dates me.. he's a top.. he'll 69 too but doesn't want me to fuck him.. he's the guy I'm the girl..

Second.. if a guy is going to date me it entails more than activities behind closed doors.. otherwise it's not dating..

I'd wager this is the norm for many girls..

How could you possible care for a girl if you're ashamed to be seen in public with her..

Insisting upon nothing less than equality is the only way to find something meaningful..

Lastly.. there is hope.. I get approached by lots of men in public where ever I might go.. These men are not afraid or ashamed to strike up a conversation.. I've had guys at busy construction sites, random guys when I'm out shopping, guys at the clubs (full of straight people) etc.. To them I give kudos for being real.. I almost never put out tho.. Maybe for some sexy BBC or a muscular guy that's taller than me cuz that's what I like..

But if I have to be your dirty little secret.. well then you're making a donation.. and I am worth every penny..

Agree with you 1000%

[Shyla Wild]

This is complete and utter nonsense, which ironically gets repeated by far too many trans women who don't even understand what it is that "straight" men see in them.

The vast majority of men who see trans women are not in the least bit attracted to masculine men, or indeed "cock." I would argue that a huge raft of men are simply suffering from "transference" where they see so much porn where beautiful women are sucking on cocks, that they start to see the cock other than their own as desirable for its own sake.

The rest of men are simply seeing womanly curves, soft and hairless skin, rich lips, makeup, boobs...all the triggers of straight male desire. This at a time when men are starting to discover the pleasure of their own assholes without (as much) fear. It's the perfect storm for the rising desire for trans women. We are indeed embodying our desire to be both masculine and feminine. It's not about getting into cock through the side door of a women's body. It's actually that all the feminine characteristics make the cock the perfect balancing of male and female energies in bodily form. The cock is the lightning rod (lol) for all that constellated male desire for the female form. THAT'S the attraction, not just the cock.

A masculine chiselled guy with a cock in his underwear? Not the least bit attractive to me sexually. A super fem, curvy woman having her cocked tucked under lovely lingerie? Blam! Cock looks delicious. It's the context and the totality of the experience. Stop reducing men to all being closeted gays who really, truly want to suck cock. It's just not the case for the vast majority of men who are attracted to trans women. It's something much, much more complicated and complete.

Of course there are zillions of men in denial about what they desire, but there's also way more men who are seeing the third sex as the true intersex form of their deeply embedded and evolutionary characteristics, both emotional and physical. If you have a trans woman who has an ass pussy, then the vagina becomes less "important" when you have a trans tool that can plunge your own ass, and be sucked for your own pleasure. It's just a more "evolved" form on some level, which is why trans women are in such high demand.

Many men I know find themselves bored with gg's after a trip to Thailand, because ladyboys are so supremely more fun than gg's because of the prescence of that stick that adds so many items to the menu But that doesn't mean they want to fuck Thai boys. And most don't.

cosign

http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/showth...armful-Effects

[cameeindos]

Just to clarify what I am saying here this scale is still
Standard today most of you are not actually seeking a woman
A gender variant woman. But really a man.
I am a true ..a class 6. Another reason why I will never
Do as well as the popular ones I'm well a woman.
And I despise being reduced down to my dick.
Maybe that's why most younger men do so much better
With me than most paid dates as they do not see much differance
Between us. They a man and I'm a woman


http://www.genderpsychology.org/tran...njamin_gd.html

But then the dick is part but not wholly the attraction....

yes, I think most of the cisgender men here would empathise with being seen as a sex toy kind of thing....but then even if it seems "pussyish" not to openly date a TS, the stigma though not justified exists...

Thing is though, I think it does depend on families and the part of the USA. I am black, not from the US, but then even still Afro-Americans tend to be more conservative socially than whites and more religious. And Afro-American men as much as any other race dig MTFs, but wouldn't be open with their family if mum and dad are church-going/God fearing. Is it pussyish then?

[F100]

Crossover1 Well said !!

[toban]

Yes, very well said!

Crossover1 Well said !!

I?d like to join in complimenting Crossover1 upon his statement re: a male perspective.

I could not have expressed myself nearly as well!

[xoxJanexox]

The rest of men are simply seeing womanly curves, soft and hairless skin, rich lips, makeup, boobs...all the triggers of straight male desire. This at a time when men are starting to discover the pleasure of their own assholes without (as much) fear. It's the perfect storm for the rising desire for trans women. We are indeed embodying our desire to be both masculine and feminine. It's not about getting into cock through the side door of a women's body. It's actually that all the feminine characteristics make the cock the perfect balancing of male and female energies in bodily form. The cock is the lightning rod (lol) for all that constellated male desire for the female form. THAT'S the attraction, not just the cock.

A masculine chiselled guy with a cock in his underwear? Not the least bit attractive to me sexually. A super fem, curvy woman having her cocked tucked under lovely lingerie? Blam! Cock looks delicious. It's the context and the totality of the experience. Stop reducing men to all being closeted gays who really, truly want to suck cock. It's just not the case for the vast majority of men who are attracted to trans women. It's something much, much more complicated and complete.

Thank you for your efforts in eradicating illiteracy

[ts natasha]

Hehehe
What ever most of you come across as nutbars GIRLS
I never went as far as told anyone to justify their attraction .
I simply put down the scale as for identification
Plain and simple
But as it stands everyone appropiates my label as ts.
When its evident they would never qualify . But I don't
Balk. We are taking back our language .
Unfortunately these days you could be completely the
Gender of a man snd still be trans. Simoly for wearing a
Garter. But try full transition and you won't make it very far.
Ateaet not with out suicide. Admit the fact. Impossible to
Claim certain labels when you get a boner and shove it in a hole.
More proper label is fetish dresser or CD or tv. The only classes
That can be sexually dominant . A ts with the gender of a woman ain't
Gonna do much with it. That's what the gender scale is. Regardless
Of what the men say they have no say on what is what.
Its not gender according to men. Think about it and you say what
You want but yku know I'm right .
You can wrap it up under what label what ever you want.

[TSFantasia]

This is complete and utter nonsense, which ironically gets repeated by far too many trans women who don't even understand what it is that "straight" men see in them.

The vast majority of men who see trans women are not in the least bit attracted to masculine men, or indeed "cock." I would argue that a huge raft of men are simply suffering from "transference" where they see so much porn where beautiful women are sucking on cocks, that they start to see the cock other than their own as desirable for its own sake.

The rest of men are simply seeing womanly curves, soft and hairless skin, rich lips, makeup, boobs...all the triggers of straight male desire. This at a time when men are starting to discover the pleasure of their own assholes without (as much) fear. It's the perfect storm for the rising desire for trans women. We are indeed embodying our desire to be both masculine and feminine. It's not about getting into cock through the side door of a women's body. It's actually that all the feminine characteristics make the cock the perfect balancing of male and female energies in bodily form. The cock is the lightning rod (lol) for all that constellated male desire for the female form. THAT'S the attraction, not just the cock.

A masculine chiselled guy with a cock in his underwear? Not the least bit attractive to me sexually. A super fem, curvy woman having her cocked tucked under lovely lingerie? Blam! Cock looks delicious. It's the context and the totality of the experience. Stop reducing men to all being closeted gays who really, truly want to suck cock. It's just not the case for the vast majority of men who are attracted to trans women. It's something much, much more complicated and complete.

Of course there are zillions of men in denial about what they desire, but there's also way more men who are seeing the third sex as the true intersex form of their deeply embedded and evolutionary characteristics, both emotional and physical. If you have a trans woman who has an ass pussy, then the vagina becomes less "important" when you have a trans tool that can plunge your own ass, and be sucked for your own pleasure. It's just a more "evolved" form on some level, which is why trans women are in such high demand.

Many men I know find themselves bored with gg's after a trip to Thailand, because ladyboys are so supremely more fun than gg's because of the prescence of that stick that adds so many items to the menu But that doesn't mean they want to fuck Thai boys. And most don't.

Very nice read there is no arguing your literary skills