Bruce Jenner debuts her tgirl persona... Caitlyn for Vanity Fair

[Alexis]

I told you why..

What I am struggling to understand is why trans women are attacking Caitlyn as a fraud because she has decided to keep her penis (there are several angles, but this is one I have heard often). I thought one of the foundations of trans gendered rights was to acknowledge and respect who they are and what gender they identify with, not what the genitalia are between their legs. Isn't the point to respect these people and not determine their gender based solely on what genitals they have; and also to accept all the combinations and permutations out there in relation to gender identity and who they are sexually attracted to (same sex, different sex, whatever it may be).

To say, for example, "You are a woman therefore you must get a vagina and be attracted to men"... isn't that just trying to shove Caitlyn in the very box that the community is fighting society to get away from?

I get people hating reality TV stars and all that, but there is evidence this process began long before Kris Jenner and her daughters started their TV shows. If anything Caitlyn's biggest mistake was trying to fit back into a box and getting married again; and getting married to a woman who found great ambition in getting her family on television.

I just think some of these anti-Jenner arguments don't hold up to scrutiny.

I told you why.. not all trans women are right in the head.. possibly the majority.. lol.. They're often seriously opinionated, biased, high on themselves, jealous, envious and many other things.. Combine that with a bunch of female hormones and well.. guess what..

While I did decide to transition late I'm glad that I did.. I have 2 wonderful daughters as a result.. It may have been a blessing in disguise.. it wasn't very safe being a trans prostitute then and I had already been raped and assaulted once before I was 19 and became a dad.. I'm not that old compared to some of the other top tgirls out there either 5-8 years older than most.. that and I'm just coming up on 5 years in October since I went full time..

If I had waited longer it just would have been even harder.. A few girls mock me because I'm 6' 155lbs and solid muscle and that not all of my hair is orriginally mine.. Thankfully tho I have good looks and I am attractive.. without feminization surgery of any kind and without any silicone injections or anything either which is a huge bonus.. I'm not everyone's cup of tea but who cares..

There's hundreds of thousands of REAL women that wish they had a body like mine.. I've said before that I'm sooo happy I'm not simply average..

What gets me is when tgirls think they are so much better because they are more passable or had other surgeries that others haven't. How can something so superficial and cosmetic determine if you are a woman or not.. Maybe they don't look around at other real women and see just how fricking homely some of them actually are..

What makes one a trans woman is between one's ears.. not between one's legs.. bottom surgery isn't an option for some medically or otherwise.. It should never be forced upon anyone either through social or peer pressure.. Someone like Caitlyn probably shouldn't have bottom surgery at her age.. It has a significant chance of killing her or causing complications till she dies..

I honestly never imagined I'd look like this at 40..

[LOLA_]

now we talk the same language , it was what I wanted to say from beginning , Its not because someone passable or not, its because someone is dying inside for being woman and at a certain age
and yes you have to body to die for

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How can something so superficial and cosmetic determine if you are a woman or not..

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[TSFantasia]

This Trans Woman Kept Her Beard And Couldn?t Be Happier

?I?m widening the bandwidth of how to be a woman.? Alex Drummond talks to BuzzFeed News about why she kept her beard after transitioning ? and how others react
Six years ago, Drummond started living as a woman and kept her awesome bushy beard.
She also decided not to opt for hormones or surgery.



This person would better serve the trans community by identifying as transvestite as that is what Alex is the rest of it makes a mockery of the struggles that trans men & women go through to be themselves. Some want to say they are being disrespected if they are not given recognition as women with no attempt to be womanly, passable, or feminine while actually they are the ones disrespecting trans women by making the whole trans community to be a joke to the general public.

[LOLA_]

finger crossed I hope Jenner show will be more helpful for us

[Alexis]

now we talk the same language , it was what I wanted to say from beginning , Its not because someone passable or not, its because someone is dying inside for being woman and at a certain age
and yes you have to body to die for

How can something so superficial and cosmetic determine if you are a woman or not..

Exactly.. and thank you..

Sometimes I think of all the trans people in countries where it's illegal or where they klill you for it.. I feel really sad for those people.. they cannot access anything and fear for their lives that someone will find out the truth.. But some would think they are not trans women because they cannot get hormones, surgery, or try to make themselves passable.. they have to look like men or they get imprisoned or murdered..

Some of those trans women are no less a woman in their mind but they cannot show it.. and then they die with their secret..

As for buddy with his facial hair... It's a joke for sure.. all the genetic women I know get rid of their facial hair.. and yes.. genetic women have facial hair..

[TrannyLover17]

I'd say that Jazz Jennings is braver than Caitlyn to come out as a trans so early in her life. She certainly possesses an admirable amount of self-confidence.