Has The Caitlyn Jenner/Transgender Movement Backlash Begun?

[vancouverman]

I've tried to be friends and date TGs but it is really hard.
Getting called a faggot and passed over for "straight" red neck losers that treat TG like crap.
Constantly being told I am not desirable to TGs because i like TGs?

I hear ya.

The men that like Trans women the most are generally disliked the most by Trans women. They (as in a large number) keep trying personal relationships with guys who are struggling with their identity, in denial, ashamed and only want to see them in private and never introduce them to family and friends, or simply chasing a fantasy. Then, decry from the mountain tops they can't find a real lasting genuine relationship that doesn't involve being paid for their dicks.

It is quite a confusion we all find ourselves in.

[Tia Phoenixx]

I hear ya.

The men that like Trans women the most are generally disliked the most by Trans women. They (as in a large number) keep trying personal relationships with guys who are struggling with their identity, in denial, ashamed and only want to see them in private and never introduce them to family and friends, or simply chasing a fantasy. Then, decry from the mountain tops they can't find a real lasting genuine relationship that doesn't involve being paid for their dicks.

It is quite a confusion we all find ourselves in.

I am not like that buddy.

BTW, I start having some erotic thoughts about getting fucked by a hunky gay man now lol

I don't give a fuck about label... You can be gay... Bi...straight... or whatever... If I like you..then I like you

BTW, have you fucked me before Vancie? I don't recall.

If not, you should

[TSFantasia]

This is a classic example of how this "community" operates.
If you don't like Jenner , you are transphobic

If you question the numbers, you are transphobic
Even though the numbers don't add up.
The community is always under attack even though there is no real evidence.

Apparently lbgtq are more important than everyone else and need their own hate laws, this is not equality.
Anyone else can claim to be lgbtq anytime so this attitude makes no sense.

Being LBGTQ should not make you better than everyone, so what gives people the right to judge everyone else.
Being LBGTQ Is not a life threatening condition it is a personal choice.
Being gay is a sexual lifestyle choice not some great calling. The whole thing is blown up into something it is not.
You should not be better or more advantaged than others you should be equal.

I Would say that leaders of this community are as or more intolerant than anyone.

Your getting to be as bad as Greep saying I called him Gay when I never did. I never called anyone transphobic for not liking Jenner however trashing her as a "rich white tranny" is transphobic language. Also I don't know who called you "a piece of shit" on what thread but it wasn't on this one and it wasn't me.

No evidence? The 17 trans women are real murders no indication that any of them were involved in drugs or hooking. Many attacked simply for being a trans woman Islan Nettles is a prime example of that beaten into a coma by someone who initially came onto her as an attractive woman but that flew into a rage when someone said she was trans. Janet Mock goes through the list of names and incidents of the 17 trans women killed so far this year in the US ! These are not suicides, drug overdoses, hooking gone bad incidents these are murders! Of course time will tell where the investigations lead and what convictions result if any.

I'm not saying anything you could have done would prevent these or future murders all we can do is be vigilant and watch each others backs. It's a hostile world out there yes for everyone but this a trans board so the focus should be on trans women. Saying it shouldn't is like someone saying "How come all the articles and posts in here are about having sex with t-girls and sucking t-girl cock? Well Duhh it's a t-girl forum

[TSFantasia]

What a fucking hypocrite you are. You've repeatedly called me 'gay', 'BI', etc, because Im attracted to Trans woman, but THAN you have the NERVE to call your boyfreind 'straight'. Fuck off.

Alexis is right you are literally the worst, most mixed up person I've ever seen on these forums, and thats saying a lot.

Seriously you are the most rabid hostile person on this forum towards me simple because I don't believe that any man who is turned on by another cock and interacting with that cock is straight. It's like you are screaming at me because I say the sky is blue and you want me to say it is pink! Sorry but I'm not colour blind or illiterate I can read & understand basic definitions of sexuality.

As for my boyfriend he has no attraction to cock t-girl or otherwise loves pussy and only ever involved with women, including me so by what stretch of sexuality definitions is he gay or even bi? Feel free to let your nasty assed transphobic comments fly as Alexis already got me warmed up but I wasn't expecting such nastiness from her but from you I expect it .

[greep]

Seriously you are the most rabid hostile person on this forum towards me simple because I don't believe that any man who is turned on by another cock and interacting with that cock is straight. It's like you are screaming at me because I say the sky is blue and you want me to say it is pink! Sorry but I'm not colour blind or illiterate I can read & understand basic definitions of sexuality.

As for my boyfriend he has no attraction to cock t-girl or otherwise loves pussy and only ever involved with women, including me so by what stretch of sexuality definitions is he gay or even bi? Feel free to let your nasty assed transphobic comments fly as Alexis already got me warmed up but I wasn't expecting such nastiness from her but from you I expect it .

This is the last time Im going to say this to you:
I AM NOT ATTRACTED TO MEN, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM- WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND!

Now, If transgendered becomes fully classified as a third gender, than I'll openly and gladly consider my self bi, (men and trans), but I certainly wouldn't be 'TRi'

[Rockheart]

Your getting to be as bad as Greep saying I called him Gay when I never did. I never called anyone transphobic for not liking Jenner however trashing her as a "rich white tranny" is transphobic language. Also I don't know who called you "a piece of shit" on what thread but it wasn't on this one and it wasn't me.

No evidence? The 17 trans women are real murders no indication that any of them were involved in drugs or hooking. Many attacked simply for being a trans woman Islan Nettles is a prime example of that beaten into a coma by someone who initially came onto her as an attractive woman but that flew into a rage when someone said she was trans. Janet Mock goes through the list of names and incidents of the 17 trans women killed so far this year in the US ! These are not suicides, drug overdoses, hooking gone bad incidents these are murders! Of course time will tell where the investigations lead and what convictions result if any.

I'm not saying anything you could have done would prevent these or future murders all we can do is be vigilant and watch each others backs. It's a hostile world out there yes for everyone but this a trans board so the focus should be on trans women. Saying it shouldn't is like someone saying "How come all the articles and posts in here are about having sex with t-girls and sucking t-girl cock? Well Duhh it's a t-girl forum

You fucking lie like shit.

You called me transphobic and attacked my person and beliefs.
You just did it again, if call Caitlynn this or that i am transphobic.
I am not so fucking stick it up your pussy.
Nothing is transphobic about calling her a rich white tranny, only in your warped mind.

Now you want to discuss it.
Too late, try having some fucking respect for other people.
This is what you are crying for but you just dump on other people instead of discussing shit.

I don't need to be insulted and accused anymore.
If you cannot discuss things without attacking peoples person and ideas without presenting your own, i can't be bothered anymore.

[Rockheart]

Actually each one of those blue highlighted phrases in that article are links to other articles and I'm sure the per capita murder rate of transgender women compared to the general population can be looked up. It would seem that anyone who loves/lusts T-girls would be interested in their safety and quality of life but maybe not as long as you can make money off their exploitation who gives a fuck what happens to them in the real world ?? And if violence against trans women spikes it will against "tranny luvers" too. Driving more men underground in their pursuit of t-girls leaving them with meaningless lives of being used as sex toys and then discarded.

http://time.com/3999348/transgender-murders-2015/

[QUOTE]

Yes that may have been a knee jerk emotional response but definitely seems like you have a who gives a fuck about transgender rights, etc, attitude whenever I or anyone else brings it up. You down play it like "Problem? What problem?" This is an attitude of indifference, which results in inaction and lack progress for transgender women when the men who lust/love them the most have this kind of "I'm not getting involved" attitude. Maybe I'm wrongly judging you on this so enlighten all of us as to the transgender support/rights groups that you regularly contribute to??

Did you forget these posts?
Both are attacking me and calling me down for my business and that I have a bad attitude towards transgender rights.
You can't just throw up a handful of links with no analysis, then insult me for having some opinions.

The leaders of the tg movement or what ever it is are intolerant to others and promote hatred to other groups.
You obviously follow this prescription for hate!

How dare you say I am using anyone.
So my opinion differs from your so you attack my person, where did I fucking do this to you?
No where because i have some respect.

You say it right there, you are judging me. Why do I need to be judged by you.
Why do my thoughts get met with descriptions of what is wrong with me and not what is wrong with my comments.

What "not get involved attitude" you are just making shit up, like what does this even mean.
If i try to help reduce murders I will do it for all, not for one special interest group. Trying to tackle murder in one small area like this is a total waste of resources. Still why the fuck should it matter to you.

What transgender rights groups do i contribute to, what the fuck kind of question is that?
Money has nothing to do with being supportive.

• I befriend TGs
• I go place with them.
• I help them through their surgeries
• I help them pay for their surgeries.
• I pay for their houses.
• I date them and sometimes marry them.
• I spend most of my time with TGs.
• I hire them and include them in my projects.
• I do stuff like make web pages for them and drive them places.
• I treat them like normal people who are equal members of society.
• I value their opinion when it is logical and they don't call me names.

Maybe i am a TG or gay or bi or whatever, how the fuck do you know.
Worry about yourself and stop judging other people, you are worse than the transphobes with your rhetoric.

My opinion is that the leaders in the TG community are self centered and treat others the way they don't want to be treated.
They trivialize others and attack any criticism of the community which is very flawed and self centered, just like many special interest groups. Splinter groups get nothing done alone.

Everyone matters not just you.

[Alexis]

Your getting to be as bad as Greep saying I called him Gay when I never did. I never called anyone transphobic for not liking Jenner however trashing her as a "rich white tranny" is transphobic language.

When a tranny calls a tranny a tranny.. it's not transphobic.. doesn't matter what verbs or adjectives you add to it either.. No more than a gay person calling another gay person a fag.. or a African american calling another one nigger.. I also don't think that I have a fear of Jenner or any other trans persons.. You've taken it out of context and tuned it into something it wasn't..

Feel free to let your nasty assed transphobic comments fly as Alexis already got me warmed up but I wasn't expecting such nastiness from her but from you I expect it .

If you insist on continuously calling me a man you can expect hostility and insults.. if you did it to my face I would hit you..

It's almost like you have some type of fear of transphobia.. people have opinions.. Your topic asked for them..

Also there the thing about your BF.. it's debatable how straight he is not just because you're genetically male either.. lots of guys experiment.. they even lie to their GF's and see escorts.. stuff like that can be detrimental to straight relationships..

Things aren't so cut and dry, back and white, boy or girl.. It's a big world outside of Va.. Regina..

Jenner the Gender Bender is going to make millions off this and has a full time publicist.. Don't think for a minute someone deeply embedded with the Kardashian Empire isn't in this to milk it for every possible dime.. Jender Bender is using the plight of trans women for profit..

That's why there's a movie and a planned TV series..

Now if you can't handle my sarcasm, wit, humor (sometimes tasteless), opinions or ideas.. keep calm and carry on..

[TSFantasia]

you fucking lie like shit.

You called me transphobic and attacked my person and beliefs.
You just did it again, if call caitlynn this or that i am transphobic.
I am not so fucking stick it up your pussy.
Nothing is transphobic about calling her a rich white tranny, only in your warped mind.

Now you want to discuss it.
Too late, try having some fucking respect for other people.
This is what you are crying for but you just dump on other people instead of discussing shit.

I don't need to be insulted and accused anymore.
If you cannot discuss things without attacking peoples person and ideas without presenting your own, i can't be bothered anymore.

dude go to rageaholics already!!

[TSFantasia]

When a tranny calls a tranny a tranny.. it's not transphobic.. doesn't matter what verbs or adjectives you add to it either.. No more than a gay person calling another gay person a fag.. or a African american calling another one nigger.. I also don't think that I have a fear of Jenner or any other trans persons.. You've taken it out of context and tuned it into something it wasn't..



If you insist on continuously calling me a man you can expect hostility and insults.. if you did it to my face I would hit you..

It's almost like you have some type of fear of transphobia.. people have opinions.. Your topic asked for them..

Also there the thing about your BF.. it's debatable how straight he is not just because you genetically male either.. lots of guys experiment.. they even lie to their GF's and see escorts.. stuff like that can be detrimental to straight relationships..

Things aren't so cut and dry, back and white, boy or girl.. It's a big world outside of Va.. Regina..

Jenner the Gender Bender is going to make millions off this and has a full time publicist.. Don't think for a minute someone deeply embedded with the Kardashian Empire isn't in this to milk it for every possible dime.. Jender Bender is using the plight of trans women for profit..

That's why there's a movie and a planned TV series..

Now if you can't handle my sarcasm, wit, humor (sometimes tasteless), opinions or ideas.. keep calm and carry on..

Actually homophobic or transphobic are motivated by bigotry & hatred, anger & hostility from that person towards someone else for being gay, trans, etc. True people in the same "group" may call each other that name (if they are in fact friends, homies, etc.) that would be considered racist, homophobic, transphobic when coming from someone outside that circle in a hostile manner. Your tone was hostility towards Jenner for being rich, famous, whatever so that 's how I read it. My point in my reply to you was that she has some credentials and celebrity status to speak and that your own current standard of living would be considered wealthy & privileged and not the norm by most trans women's standards living below the poverty line.

The your a man comments came after your barrage of fake pussy, always be a man, just a few surgeries ahead, etc etc. As it is still the goal of most trans women such remarks were highly insulting and as I already mentioned I have never heard coming from anyone other than hateful bigots commenting like that on trans women on You Tube. So seriously I don't know where you're coming from.

I understand your health reason for not being on HRT and that because that SRS is not likely an option for you anyways. But that does mean you are a fully loaded testosterone driven "genetic male" as you so nicely liked to remind me of too. Most trans women experience a radical shift in their emotions, sex drive, thinking patterns, attractions , etc from being on female hormones I know I experienced that.

And actually I've lived in B.C, Alberta and Sask and worked from Vancouver Island to Montreal in my regular jobs so I'm not some sheltered cut off from the world na?ve person.

[Rockheart]

dude go to rageaholics already!!

[drigger]

Just had to check

I would have thought there would be more backlash from the transgender community against Kaitlynn than anyone else.

There is probably nothing specifically related to this issue that is causing this violence.

I hear these numbers but i never hear how the numbers compare to the total number of Homicides in the USA overall. The USA has the highest murder rate per capita in the world so the fact the numbers are high in the USA is not surprising at all. Also how does it compare to other years other countries and all that. This just says 17 is a lot with no reference. The overall community numbers are hard to pinpoint as many don't officially register as TG and others just do their own thing and don't really need to label themselves. Others it stays in their head, but are they any less transgendered?
This is just like the womens movement saying that women only make 75% of what men make, but they don't have hard statistics to prove it just rhetoric. In reality I would say women actually work 25% less than men due to maternity and child care, but there is no hard facts on this one.

I heard a similar story about the number of TGs murdered in Brazil as it is even higher than this. But when you look at the facts Brazil also has one of the highest murder rates in the world and one of the largest populations of TGs. Plus Brazil is just an extremely violent place overall.

Sure it is tragic that they died or were murdered but is there numbers to really back up the theory that TGs are being targeted?
How many times was it their lover or someone they know. Why is every single death of a TG held up and recognized when the majority of people don't get recognized or cared about? Only when they are TG or Gay or of colour does it seem to matter.
In my mind all victims of murder should be identified not just a certain few. We should be working together against all violence not just for certain groups.

But no i don't think Kaitlynn has anything to do with an increase in violence towards TGs at all.
I specifically don't like her much but it has no bearing about how i feel about other TGs.

Just read this thread and decided that I would look into the numbers and see what all the fuss is about.
My findings are:

Total number of Transgender murders in USA in 2015 to date = 18. (Information Courtesy of TSFantasia)
Total number of Transgender murders in USA in 2015 if trend continues=18 / 8 x12 = 27
Total number of Transgender persons living inthe USA in 2015 = 0.3% x 389,000,000 = 1,167,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_d..._United_States
Percent transgendered murdered in the USA per year =27 / 1,167,000 x 100 = 0.00231362%

Percent all homocides in the USA per year = 5.1/100000 x 100 = 0.0051% http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

The findings are in. Transgendered folks living in the USA are less than half as likely to be murdered than the entire population.

[vancouverman]

I am not like that buddy.

BTW, I start having some erotic thoughts about getting fucked by a hunky gay man now lol

I don't give a fuck about label... You can be gay... Bi...straight... or whatever... If I like you..then I like you

BTW, have you fucked me before Vancie? I don't recall.

If not, you should

Maybe you are an exception , but you go on about muscle boys so much what else would one think.

No, I haven't seen you during your Vancouver visits. I would enjoy having sex with you I am sure, however I guess all the muscle boy posts made me figure we would lack much chemistry because I don't fit that mold

Also ,for some unknown reason, I somehow had an impression in the past that you only wanted to see bottom guys.. and well, I love to be the top. I know from reading more of your posts that is wrong, who knows why I thought that before!

I don't want to derail this amazing thread, so there it is...

[vancouverman]

Serious question for Fantasia....

does your boyfriend introduce you to family and friends, and is he comfortable with his family and friends knowing you were born in a male body and used to have a penis; or is that treated as a state secret?

I ask because a lot of guys are happy to date a girl after SRS as long as she is truly passable, but are still terrified of people finding out about it.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Maybe you are an exception , but you go on about muscle boys so much what else would one think.

No, I haven't seen you during your Vancouver visits. I would enjoy having sex with you I am sure, however I guess all the muscle boy posts made me figure we would lack much chemistry because I don't fit that mold

Also ,for some unknown reason, I somehow had an impression in the past that you only wanted to see bottom guys.. and well, I love to be the top. I know from reading more of your posts that is wrong, who knows why I thought that before!

I don't want to derail this amazing thread, so there it is...

Dont be a pessimist, i don't discriminate people. Besides, the fact that you are a top is definitely a turn on

And yes, back to this interesting thread:

Here is my last opinion:

It is pretty sad to see all good people fighting against each other.

I like Crag...Alexis... Greep....and other members who contribute to this thread and i like you too Fantasia.

All of you have contribute a lot to this forums, and as a member, I truly appreciate that.

All we need is tolerance and respect to other opinions and point of views.

There is always another side of the coin, remember?

That is all