Trudeau

[Alexis]

I agree with you, and that's excluding the nuclear threat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7g8jQDOEaw

Not to mention super volcanoes, some potential extinction-level contagion/influenza, meteors (that "relatively small one" Apophis might be coming), and who knows what else could be in store for us. Ebola's pretty scary too, although I don't think that can spread like wildfire and turn into a global pandemic...which I hope I'm not wrong about. They didn't mention it explicitly, but at one of the hospitals here in T.O. that I went to recently, they were clearly screening patients for Ebola. Just saying.

In fact, I'm thinking of leaving the city, because I fear we have a full-scale zombie apocalypse coming.

I was being serious about the water thing.. climate change is going to drive mass migrations.. it's a 100% certain reality in the next 20 years..

Yes Fuk-U-Shima is a terrible thing and isn't helping the decimated ocean that's almost dead thanks to humans..

Zombies are not reality.. Cities however are very dangerous in the event of natural disasters.. The veneer of society is about 48 hours thick and then it goes for shit.. If the power is out for more than 2 days in the whole city it will become a very scary place to be.. As such I'm prepped with an escape route..

I'm going to do this for another 5-6 years and then I'm going to start an organic farm in the Caribou and do that for 10-20 years.. I like smaller rural communities.. they aren't as cold and closed off like cities are.. I'll probably start touring a bit then too and traveling to do porn shoots..

If Justin does what he says I'll vote liberal again in 4 years..

[alex99]

Zombies are not reality.. Cities however are very dangerous in the event of natural disasters.. The veneer of society is about 48 hours thick and then it goes for shit.. If the power is out for more than 2 days in the whole city it will become a very scary place to be..

I was joking about the zombies, but I know what you mean.

[Locomotion]

We're Already in a Zombie Apocalypse!!

I was joking about the zombies, but I know what you mean.

[alex99]

You have a point there.

[Alexis]

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LOL.. How true!!!

Just cut the power for a few days and watch what happens to them..

[xoxJanexox]

The reason that Trudeau got elected is that people wanted to get rid of Harper at all costs, and the NDP has no charismatic leader equivalent to Jack Layton. He is definitely without a substance, and time would tell!

[alex99]

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[Rockheart]

The reason that Trudeau got elected is that people wanted to get rid of Harper at all costs, and the NDP has no charismatic leader equivalent to Jack Layton. He is definitely without a substance, and time would tell!

Who are all you people to say he has no substance? Like seriously.
It is literally not true. Next time anyone says this please put some reasoning down.
I am really tired of all the calls of airhead, no substance, not ready.
It's all bullshit and you know it, he is smarter than most of us put together.
Not saying he will be the best Prime Minister of all time but lay off the BS.
He is not running the government single handed, even though Harper likes to give the impression he was but no PM runs the show.

Not to mention people wanting to lay blame for all the past on him.
Every government is a new day, every previous government has some form of corruption or scandal.
I'm sure it is coming for Justin too but crying about the past is just that, crying about the past.
In retrospect I could blame everyone for what the predecessors did in the past, but it just isn't fair.
Live in today not in some bitter version of the past you seem to hold dear.

I'd say more but I'm in Thailand and couldn't really care less.

[vancouverman]

. He is definitely without a substance, and time would tell!

This is what makes no sense to me as to why people keep sticking to that about Trudeau like it is dogma.

If you don't like his policies, the changes he will be making to taxes, social programs, environmental standards, infrastructure, international relations and so forth, great... debate it.

however, almost anyone who has ever spent quality time with the man say he is thoughtful, intelligent, he is educated, he listens to people, he is inclusive, and he cares about the country, the environment and has a social conscience. This is plenty of substance.

People seem to throw that out there because of his looks? There is no other evidence other than that to say he lacks substance. Having different views from you, or even being a bad politician doesn't mean he lacks substance as a human being.

I mean, Jane... think of it his way..... if someone sees your picture and determines you are very attractive , and that you also sell your time for a price; would it be fair of them to just say you are "without substance" based solely on that? of course not.

You don't like the guy, cool. But "no substance" has about as much evidence to support it as the earth being 6000 years old. Both are dogma and believers in them don't care what the evidence is.

Stephen Harper spent a long time teaching his followers that the way to succeed is to personally attack people, muzzle debate, and control every aspect of the message. To follow dogma no matter what and to build false narratives to suit personal goals. A lot of people in our country have fell into that trap and these personal insults before Trudeau has implemented one policy is the wrong thing to do. Criticize polices with legitimate evidence and offer opposing policies; false narratives and baseless attacks on a guys looks or whatever it is are just not going to get it done.

[Locomotion]

We simply can't afford another big bloated corrupt Liberal government right now. Give Tredeau a chance you say? First thing he does is arrange $10 million renovations done to 24 Sussex. Now this climate change summit photo op that will do nothing except make his eastern voters happy and severely harm Alberta at a time when oil prices are down. Now more refugee welfare bums are coming into the country receiving around $2400 per month, much more than the $1200 per month CPP pays. I'm sure there will be some ISIS parasites hidden in the refugees too.

Junior is bad for Canada.

This is what makes no sense to me as to why people keep sticking to that about Trudeau like it is dogma.

If you don't like his policies, the changes he will be making to taxes, social programs, environmental standards, infrastructure, international relations and so forth, great... debate it.

however, almost anyone who has ever spent quality time with the man say he is thoughtful, intelligent, he is educated, he listens to people, he is inclusive, and he cares about the country, the environment and has a social conscience. This is plenty of substance.

People seem to throw that out there because of his looks? There is no other evidence other than that to say he lacks substance. Having different views from you, or even being a bad politician doesn't mean he lacks substance as a human being.

I mean, Jane... think of it his way..... if someone sees your picture and determines you are very attractive , and that you also sell your time for a price; would it be fair of them to just say you are "without substance" based solely on that? of course not.

You don't like the guy, cool. But "no substance" has about as much evidence to support it as the earth being 6000 years old. Both are dogma and believers in them don't care what the evidence is.

Stephen Harper spent a long time teaching his followers that the way to succeed is to personally attack people, muzzle debate, and control every aspect of the message. To follow dogma no matter what and to build false narratives to suit personal goals. A lot of people in our country have fell into that trap and these personal insults before Trudeau has implemented one policy is the wrong thing to do. Criticize polices with legitimate evidence and offer opposing policies; false narratives and baseless attacks on a guys looks or whatever it is are just not going to get it done.

[alex99]

Now more refugee welfare bums are coming into the country receiving around $2400 per month, much more than the $1200 per month CPP pays.

Where are you getting this information from? I was under the impression that each refugee is getting the same as the average welfare recipient, which in most cases is about $600 per month to cover all living expenses (food, shelter, phone, toiletries, etc. etc.).

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcen...asp?q=105&t=11

[Locomotion]

The federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.00 and each can get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.

Canada CPP pays a max of $1,012 per month. The newcomers get more than the people who have spent their lives building our country.

Where are you getting this information from? I was under the impression that each refugee is getting the same as the average welfare recipient, which in most cases is about $600 per month to cover all living expenses (food, shelter, phone, toiletries, etc. etc.).

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcen...asp?q=105&t=11

[alex99]

The federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.00 and each can get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.

Edit: The numbers you're getting are actually from some kind of chain email hoax that was spreading false information.

The real numbers are actually here (or close to it, the page is a little over two years old).

http://ccrweb.ca/en/refugees-and-inc...ensioners-myth

[vancouverman]

We simply can't afford another big bloated corrupt Liberal government right now. Give Tredeau a chance you say? First thing he does is arrange $10 million renovations done to 24 Sussex. Now this climate change summit photo op that will do nothing except make his eastern voters happy and severely harm Alberta at a time when oil prices are down. Now more refugee welfare bums are coming into the country receiving around $2400 per month, much more than the $1200 per month CPP pays. I'm sure there will be some ISIS parasites hidden in the refugees too.

Junior is bad for Canada.

Yikes. You are welcome to feel this way and we can disagree. Calling him "junior" just makes it look like you are attacking the man and not his policies. My main point here is that the Conservative base has changed during Harper's leadership to one that can't debate policy; all they do is throw out names like this, or call people bums, or so on. Maybe you always expressed your views this way, but most people in Conservative Canada were not so quick to name call back in the day.

I do find it so interesting that Conservative supporters care more about the tax rate than the 100's of times Harper fought against democracy, took away freedoms and privacy, and everything in between. I don't know how people can accept that gross abuse because they may pay a couple of points less tax.

You may want to research the Sussex issue. It is something that has been needed for a very long time, and the house is becoming unsafe. You are certainly welcome to argue that our country should not have an official residence for the PM; however, if we have one, and it is on it's last breath, it does need to be done. So, moving in and then moving out in 2 years seems a bit silly, why not just get it done now. This is not a new PM wanting to put in nicer carpets or better furniture to feel like the king. These are structural and safety issues. This is just a smokescreen issue and isn't an issue at all. Someone had to do it, Harper would have done it to. He just didn't want to do it in his first majority due to the optics of his fiscal restraint. They either do this or they condemn the building; I think most people are ok with a democracy having an official residence for the leader. It is such a big number because it has been kicked down the road for so long and everything has piled up.

Most refugees and their descendants in Canada have been a huge net gain for our country. This is fact and the numerous "mass refugee" entries we have had in this country have turned out years later to be a strong benefit. Most of them are not "bums". Being given money while they start their life in Canada does not automatically make them a bum. And if there a 100 bad people in a group of 25,000 we deal with it like we deal with bad people anywhere in our country; we don't throw an entire population under the bus because of it.

I get climate change deniers think they are photo ops; however, they are real and they do achieve real things if you decide to accept climate change is real. If you don't then obviously this will seem like a waste of time (which is how Harper approached such things).

[Locomotion]

I only call him Jr. because that's what he is. He was mainly voted in because of his name, not because people think he will a great leader. He's certainly not arrogant old Pierre (Sr.) and for that we can sigh a breath of relief.

I have an opinion too, and it is that he is very bad for Canada. Let's pick this up in a year after he's had a chance to do some real damage.

Anyways, love to stay on here and debate it until the cows come home but I gotta go to work.

Cheers

Here's an interesting article in the Washington Examiner about Harper:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/th...rticle/2574696

Just as Obama is being trashed in the US from troll propaganda, yet is respected by the rest of the world, it's apparently the same situation for our former leader.

Yikes. You are welcome to feel this way and we can disagree. Calling him "junior" just makes it look like you are attacking the man and not his policies. My main point here is that the Conservative base has changed during Harper's leadership to one that can't debate policy; all they do is throw out names like this, or call people bums, or so on. Maybe you always expressed your views this way, but most people in Conservative Canada were not so quick to name call back in the day.

I do find it so interesting that Conservative supporters care more about the tax rate than the 100's of times Harper fought against democracy, took away freedoms and privacy, and everything in between. I don't know how people can accept that gross abuse because they may pay a couple of points less tax.

You may want to research the Sussex issue. It is something that has been needed for a very long time, and the house is becoming unsafe. You are certainly welcome to argue that our country should not have an official residence for the PM; however, if we have one, and it is on it's last breath, it does need to be done. So, moving in and then moving out in 2 years seems a bit silly, why not just get it done now. This is not a new PM wanting to put in nicer carpets or better furniture to feel like the king. These are structural and safety issues. This is just a smokescreen issue and isn't an issue at all. Someone had to do it, Harper would have done it to. He just didn't want to do it in his first majority due to the optics of his fiscal restraint. They either do this or they condemn the building; I think most people are ok with a democracy having an official residence for the leader. It is such a big number because it has been kicked down the road for so long and everything has piled up.

Most refugees and their descendants in Canada have been a huge net gain for our country. This is fact and the numerous "mass refugee" entries we have had in this country have turned out years later to be a strong benefit. Most of them are not "bums". Being given money while they start their life in Canada does not automatically make them a bum. And if there a 100 bad people in a group of 25,000 we deal with it like we deal with bad people anywhere in our country; we don't throw an entire population under the bus because of it.

I get climate change deniers think they are photo ops; however, they are real and they do achieve real things if you decide to accept climate change is real. If you don't then obviously this will seem like a waste of time (which is how Harper approached such things).