Is it next to IMPOSSIBLE to have a Tgirl relationship ???

[Salvador]

I personally don't think it's possible. But, then again, it maybe me.

I have been away for weekends with at least 3 - 4 tgirls. I have treated them as equals and as I would any girl that I was dating. With total respect - opening the door, politeness, openness, and affection. This was the way I was brought up.

I was totally at peace and comfortable with my companions. We moved in public together exactly as I always did with my ex-wife and all the genetic girls that I have dated.

But somewhere between here and there nothing ever transpired. There was always an issue.

Lets face it, I am interested in the genetalia of tgirls. Just as I have been interested in the genetalia of the many genetic girls I dated. It's all part of the package. I love sex and I'm a very sexual person.

But I also enjoy intelligence, a sense of humour, romance, chatting. Because, the horizontal boogie can't last forever. These other things then come into play and are important.

Would I settle down with the right tgirl? Yes. Would I marry them? Yes. Would I embrace them into my life and share with them yes.

BUT. BUT. BUT.

I have found the tgirls that I have spent time with to be far more judgmental and interested in the superficialities of life than any genetic girl that I have ever dated.

So, I've given up. In fact I won't even see any tgirls here in Toronto any more on any basis.

Just my personal experiences.

As I said at the start maybe it's me.

Maybe one day some really special princess tgirl will swoop into my life and capture my heart. Would be nice, would be splendid. But I'm not holding my breath.

I can relate to this post.

[Salvador]

Don't worry about it. You're never going to fall in love with a tg anyway.

Let's try to put the acceptance scenario into a practical application.

Say a cop, whose held in high esteem by his colleagues, decides to go way out on a limb and bring his T-girlfriend to the next Police Benovalent Association function at the local Dunkin' Donuts.

He strides in proudly, arm in arm, with his T-Girlfriend and orders a jelly donut for him, and a French Crueller for his GF. By the time the donuts hit the counter, half of his buddies immediately are cognizant of the fact that this is a she-male. Some, even recognize her, possibly from being her client themselves, at some time in the past or even present, and possibly one or more of his buddies work vice and have arrested her at some time. Within 10 minutes, the entire room is buzzing.

Now, his associates that are roaring heterosexuals, will be aghast at the prospect that their buddy, the man they fight crime with, shoulder to shoulder, is probably having his rump rustled on a daily basis, and will now hold him in disdain, rather than respect.

How do you think this is going to affect the way his comrades, that his very life depends on, now envision him? Like Serpico's comrades did?

The man will be ostracized not only behind his back, but openly I'll wager, dildos and flowers left in front of his locker daily!

This type of unenviable position will be created for any professional in a position of trust and respect. Doctors, lawyers, Indian chiefs, anyone whose profession is dependant upon his peers, higher ups, and clients, or those they serve, holding them in impeccably high regard.

[Haley]

It may just be nothing more than a simple case of sanity prevailing when I step into my closet. An instant reality check mechanism. Anytime you harbor the urge to remove the rose colored lenses and see the world as it really is, you're welcome to stop by, visit my closet, and see what the world really looks like with unfettered vision.

What you aren't considering is that although passable T-girls are women in appearance, technically, any type of a man to man sexusl relationship falls under the general category of homosexuality to the mainstram general public. You can't get away from this by wishing that thought away like Billy Mumy in Twilight Zone.

In the 21st century, man/man sexual partnerships are far more public than 50 years ago, but still, for every individual that sees an event of two men getting married and thinks, "Whillikers! Aren't they a cute couple. How happy I am for them!", there are 10 who may be saying the same thing, but thinking, "Look at these two fucking reparbates...Disgusting!".

Unfortunately, you can't reprogram the way people think. You'd have to start by banning the Bible, the most read book in the world, which is overtly anti- same sex unions.

These are the type of observations you make when you're in my reality closet! Doesn't mean you have to like them or think the same way. In my closet, you simply see these points clearly.

Well, there's your problem.

"Passable T-girls are women in appearance, technically, any type of a man to man sexusl relationship falls under the general category of homosexuality."

You still think we are men! How disrespectful! Do you think we are going through all this change because we want to pretend to be women? Is that what you really think?

If I am post-op, am I still a man to you? Is that how you define men and women? By their genitalia? If so, then if you get in a car accident and lose your penis, are you no longer a man? Is that all their is to you as a man? You're nothing but a dick?

Here's a biology lesson for you. Science has shown your sex is determined by your genitalia, but your gender is determined by your brain, and they both sex weeks apart when you are still in the womb. So statistically speaking, it is a fact, the body sex, and brain sex will be opposite in some newborns. Unfortunately, doctors still determine sex by the genitalia which forces the child to conform to a sex they know is wrong for them. New science is proving this, but because of societies obsession with this part and the supposed roles that part is supposed to support, we are still being raised and trained as boys. This is wrong and society is finally starting to learn this.

Think of it this way. We are not men who want to be women. We are women born with the wrong part. Simple as that.

As for your cop analogy, have you heard of the Vancouver Police Officer who transitioned while still in the police force? Her name is Detective Roz Shakespeare and she is a big woman who some might say, does not pass. Now according to your logic, she should have been thrown out of the VPD because none of her testosterony comrades would have wanted anything to do with her. Well, you are wrong. I've met her and by her own admission, only about 5% of the officers were hostile towards her. Only 5%! Who cares about 5% because obviously, most of the cops don't care if your trans, or dating one.

Now I'm not even going to start into your assumption that t-girls like to top men.

[Haley]

I'm a little confused here. I haven't noticed a big number of guys here having a serious problem with the idea of dating a , ( as you put it ) " t- girl " in public.

Raise your hand if any of you guys have a problem with that.

Not me !

I'm just turned off by the escorting stuff etc. . .
I just don't want to get involved with a woman who does tricks for a living.

You wouldn't happen to know any besides you that don't would ya Haley ?

Do I know any t-girls who are not escorts? Is that your question? If so, I know lots of girls who don't work in the industry. Unfortunately for you guys though, you would be considered "tranny chasers" and virtually every single girl I know wants nothing to do with them. That's because you guys like the "trans" part more than the woman part, and your obsession with it would drive most of the girls nuts.

Let me try to explain this.

The whole purpose of transition is to right a wrong so we can get on with "normal" lives. Normal meaning "non trans". For you guys, trans might be a fetish or a fantasy, but for many of us, it's a nightmare. Personally, when I'm finally post-op, I want nothing to do with trans anything. It's been a thorn in my side for decades, and now that I'm finally nearing the end of it, the last thing I want is a boyfriend who won't let it go. Think about it. Would you want a constant reminder of a very painful part of your life that is in your past? Say you were raped as a child. Would you want to hang out with someone who kept obsessing about your rape? I don't think so. Well, it's the same thing, and I know. I've been raped.

It doesn't stop there though. A lot of you guys want a t-girl so you can be topped by one. Well, for a lot of girls, if not the vast majority of them, topping is the last thing we want to do. You are asking us to use a part we don't like, in a very masculine way, which is the complete opposite of everything we are trying to do. I know a lot of girls who have considered escorting, but refused because they don't want to top men.

You are the men. You are the ones who are supposed to be topping. It's not supposed to be the girls.

Of course, there are exceptions to this, just the same as you guys are exceptions to the straight man idea. But for the most part, I can't think of a single girl I know who would keep the penis for any man. I know I wouldn't.

[sensual_lover20]

Smart girl Haley.

[TesticuLarry]

Well, there's your problem.

"You still think we are men! How disrespectful!

I'm not alone in my opinion. If you have male genetalia, you are a male, hence the term "She-male".

Years ago, the term Transgendered described women who once were men. The term described a person who had transitioned their gender, surgically. A person whom had sexual reassignment surgery, their gentalia, that which makes them male, despite your illogical protestations, surgically transformed into a vagina, and a horrible substitute for a genetic vagina at that, base on the ones I've had the misfortune to see.

Persons who still had male genetalia, even if they went through great pains to appear female with respect to all other physicalities other than the male genetalia, which they retain, were termed Transvestites, whether the crossdressing was temporary or permanently effected.

Poltitical correctness being what it is in the last 25 years, "Indians" protesting that they should be called "Native Americans", and all the countless factions that desire a politically complimentary name, the medical community has relaxed their definitions to placate their clientelle.

Now, anyone who thinks they're a woman, even though retaining male genetalia, can consider themselves a woman, seemingly even with the full blessings of the medical community. But guess what. If you have male genetalia, and you go to jail, you will not be incarcerated with women. If you go to a Hospital ER and you're admitted, your chart will not say female. It will most definitely say male, and arguing that with them til' you're blue in the face won't change that or make you a woman physically.

Hence the term She-male. Why not just "She" instead? Simple. Because if you have male genetalia, the word male in calssification is perfectly appropriate regardless of how feminie your thinking process may be.

But don't take my word for this. Perform a simple experiment. Ask the man in the street. Choose ten people out of a crowd at random. Go up to each one and ask, "Can I ask you a question? I have a penis and testicles. Am I a man or a woman?". Note the answers. I'll wager "Man" will be the answer of choice.

Let them set you straight if I haven't done that already.

[Salvador]

Do I know any t-girls who are not escorts? Is that your question? If so, I know lots of girls who don't work in the industry. Unfortunately for you guys though, you would be considered "tranny chasers" and virtually every single girl I know wants nothing to do with them. That's because you guys like the "trans" part more than the woman part, and your obsession with it would drive most of the girls nuts.

Let me try to explain this.

The whole purpose of transition is to right a wrong so we can get on with "normal" lives. Normal meaning "non trans". For you guys, trans might be a fetish or a fantasy, but for many of us, it's a nightmare. Personally, when I'm finally post-op, I want nothing to do with trans anything. It's been a thorn in my side for decades, and now that I'm finally nearing the end of it, the last thing I want is a boyfriend who won't let it go. Think about it. Would you want a constant reminder of a very painful part of your life that is in your past? Say you were raped as a child. Would you want to hang out with someone who kept obsessing about your rape? I don't think so. Well, it's the same thing, and I know. I've been raped.

It doesn't stop there though. A lot of you guys want a t-girl so you can be topped by one. Well, for a lot of girls, if not the vast majority of them, topping is the last thing we want to do. You are asking us to use a part we don't like, in a very masculine way, which is the complete opposite of everything we are trying to do. I know a lot of girls who have considered escorting, but refused because they don't want to top men.

You are the men. You are the ones who are supposed to be topping. It's not supposed to be the girls.

Of course, there are exceptions to this, just the same as you guys are exceptions to the straight men idea. But for the most part, I can't think of a single girl I know who would keep the penis for any man. I know I wouldn't.

I wish you'd stop saying " you men " want this or that or the other thing.
I don't want your dick in my ass.

[prettyboy]

There is a fundamental problem that prevents we ' tranny-chasers ' having long term relationships with TGirls, the girls see themselves as women, we see them as a 'third sex'. We are attracted to the caterpillar that is transforming into a butterfly. Most of us have little interest in being with a Post op women. Whether we are top or bottom, the energy emitted by that cock on a beautiful women is what drives our attraction.
While many of us may fantasize about the prospect of a real relationship with a beautiful Shemale, and would accept the crap that society would throw at us for it, very few of the girls are content to stay 'between the sexes'.
From my experience TGirls begin by assuming the characteristics of women that men find most attractive and alluring, but as their transition develops they take on the aspects of women that men hate. You may as well be with a GG and avoid all the complications that comes with a TGirl.
For those guys that have found true love with a TGirl all the power to you, for the rest of us we have to settle for nibbling on those expensive caterpillars.

[tslisaparadise]

There is a fundamental problem that prevents we ' tranny-chasers ' having long term relationships with TGirls, the girls see themselves as women, we see them as a 'third sex'. We are attracted to the caterpillar that is transforming into a butterfly. Most of us have little interest in being with a Post op women. Whether we are top or bottom, the energy emitted by that cock on a beautiful women is what drives our attraction.
While many of us may fantasize about the prospect of a real relationship with a beautiful Shemale, and would accept the crap that society would throw at us for it, very few of the girls are content to stay 'between the sexes'.
From my experience TGirls begin by assuming the characteristics of women that men find most attractive and alluring, but as their transition develops they take on the aspects of women that men hate. You may as well be with a GG and avoid all the complications that comes with a TGirl.
For those guys that have found true love with a TGirl all the power to you, for the rest of us we have to settle for nibbling on those expensive caterpillars.

GOOD READ,

[snoodle]

hard but not impossible

This site sucks. I signed up and you get no results on the searches !

[TesticuLarry]

Think of it this way. We are not men who want to be women. We are women born with the wrong part. Simple as that.

No. While the possibility remains that It's "simple as that" to the simple minded, riddle me this. Since you're born with the wrong genetalia, with all the advances in medical science to construct the "correct" genetalia from your "wrong" genetalia, why do such an overwhelming number of "transgendered" who think they're a woman not only retain their male genetalia, but admirably display it publically for tricks and kicks?

Why do so many of these women brag about the size of their male gentalia in their escort ads?

Wouldn't a "real" woman, or someone who fathoms themself female be embarrassed to have a cock and balls and want to hide it, rather than make sure the entire world sees and samples it?

My guess is that any woman, who prides herself on being a woman, would scream bloody murder and either run for the closet, the meat clever, rat poison, or for the Hospital ER room if she woke up one morning with balls and a roaring Johnson. Posing her cock and balls in porn magazines and ass-fucking men with it would probably be the last thing she would think of doing.

Of course, you would have to be the possessor of logic-based thought to realize this. Just take a gander at some of the pictures right in the ads on this website, right on this very page. Many are of shemales, probably many of which profess to be "real women", fucking men in the ass, and from all outward appearances, enjoying it. I imagine there would have to be a minimal sense of satisfaction or their cocks wouldn't be rigid enough to do so, right?

My question to you is, "How ladylike do you perceive these male-ass-fucking shemales to be?". "Do you think they're busying themselves with ladylike thoughts at that particualr moment?".

And I'll tell you, if none of these observations I'm making have ever crossed your mind, I'm sorry to be bursting your bubbles. Fantasy dissipating reality has a way of doing that to bubbles.

[shemale_patriciaM]

No. While the possibility remains that It's "simple as that" to the simple minded, riddle me this. Since you're born with the wrong genetalia, with all the advances in medical science to construct the "correct" genetalia from your "wrong" genetalia, why do such an overwhelming number of "transgendered" who think they're a woman not only retain their male genetalia, but admirably display it publically for tricks and kicks?

Why do so many of these women brag about the size of their male gentalia in their escort ads?

Wouldn't a "real" woman, or someone who fathoms themself female be embarrassed to have a cock and balls and want to hide it, rather than make sure the entire world sees and samples it?

My guess is that any woman, who prides herself on being a woman, would scream bloody murder and either run for the closet, the meat clever, rat poison, or for the Hospital ER room if she woke up one morning with balls and a roaring Johnson. Posing her cock and balls in porn magazines and ass-fucking men with it would probably be the last thing she would think of doing.

Of course, you would have to be the possessor of logic-based thought to realize this. Just take a gander at some of the pictures right in the ads on this website, right on this very page. Many are of shemales, probably many of which profess to be "real women", fucking men in the ass, and from all outward appearances, enjoying it. I imagine there would have to be a minimal sense of satisfaction or their cocks wouldn't be rigid enough to do so, right?

My question to you is, "How ladylike do you perceive these male-ass-fucking shemales to be?". "Do you think they're busying themselves with ladylike thoughts at that particualr moment?".

And I'll tell you, if none of these observations I'm making have ever crossed your mind, I'm sorry to be bursting your bubbles. Fantasy dissipating reality has a way of doing that to bubbles.

This guy has serious issues. He was probably rejected numerous times by tgirls or shemales, whatever you wanna call it and is so bitter about it. Hey man get over it! Maybe you should come and see a psychiatrist and there is still probably some soulitons to your bitterness. Do not waste your time on this website and bad mouth all of the girls. Those tgirls who rejected you in the past definitely had reasons.

[TS girls drive me wild]

Speaking as one who has been in a relationship with a beautiful t-girl (god I hate that label...but in the interest of clarity), I offer my views.

I met her by accident, random chance, one opportunity in a million. She taught me much about myself in the time we had together, but in the end my own immaturity and inability to deal with all the social and emotional complexities that come from being in any 'unorthodox' relationship caused us to fail as a couple. My greatest regret in life. I can honestly say that I was in love. If I had that chance again, with the knowledge and wisdom I've gained now, I'd marry her without question.

With that said, I will add that no matter how hard I try, or far I search, I have not been able to find another with whom I could enter into a relationship with. I've come to the conclusion that as long as I'm looking for a 'tgirl' to love, I will never find one because I've already objectified her. If I'm as 'enlightened' as I think I am, I should be prepared for a relationship based on much more than genitals. If gender truly doesn't matter, then I should be open to anything, not just a tgirl...

So, I stay single, meet pretty tgirls for fun when I get the chance (because that's what I'm physically attracted to) and if I should ever meet one accidentally (fate?) on a personal level, well I will thank whatever God I believe in at the time, and this time never let her get away.

If you stop looking so hard, you may just find what you're looking for. But the question is.....if you find her, will you be ready for her

My 2 Cents...
Peace

As someone who has never had the opportunity to have a relationship (on any level, friendship or more), I can say that understand your logic more than one may believe so. Your post brings to light the reason of which I may never be fulfilled, unless I am able to ignore the ignorance of society. I wish the best to you!

[prettyboy]

Anyone with a cock knows that when it is erect it will feel really nice when it is slipped in and out of a tight slippery orifice. Likewise if you have a slippery orifice , it feels good to have a strong cylindrical object sliding in and out of it. The taboos of our society cause many to inhibit and deny themselves the pleasures that are available to us all.[ 'cept the Fish don't get to feel the cock part] Labeling these potential pleasures as Gay or too manly. What a crock of shit, if you'll excuse the pun. I don't understand why we are not ALL 'versatile'.
If some little faggot bum boy can enjoy anal penetration, why can't you. We've all got more or less the same pieces down there, same nerve endings etc.

I know of one TGirl in particular who has one of the nicest cocks in Toronto, who advertises it and brags about it in her ads, but she hates it and any guy who is interested in it. Go figure.

[Haley]

No. While the possibility remains that It's "simple as that" to the simple minded, riddle me this. Since you're born with the wrong genetalia, with all the advances in medical science to construct the "correct" genetalia from your "wrong" genetalia, why do such an overwhelming number of "transgendered" who think they're a woman not only retain their male genetalia, but admirably display it publically for tricks and kicks?

Why do so many of these women brag about the size of their male gentalia in their escort ads?

Wouldn't a "real" woman, or someone who fathoms themself female be embarrassed to have a cock and balls and want to hide it, rather than make sure the entire world sees and samples it?

My guess is that any woman, who prides herself on being a woman, would scream bloody murder and either run for the closet, the meat clever, rat poison, or for the Hospital ER room if she woke up one morning with balls and a roaring Johnson. Posing her cock and balls in porn magazines and ass-fucking men with it would probably be the last thing she would think of doing.

Of course, you would have to be the possessor of logic-based thought to realize this. Just take a gander at some of the pictures right in the ads on this website, right on this very page. Many are of shemales, probably many of which profess to be "real women", fucking men in the ass, and from all outward appearances, enjoying it. I imagine there would have to be a minimal sense of satisfaction or their cocks wouldn't be rigid enough to do so, right?

My question to you is, "How ladylike do you perceive these male-ass-fucking shemales to be?". "Do you think they're busying themselves with ladylike thoughts at that particualr moment?".

And I'll tell you, if none of these observations I'm making have ever crossed your mind, I'm sorry to be bursting your bubbles. Fantasy dissipating reality has a way of doing that to bubbles.

"why do such an overwhelming number of "transgendered" who think they're a woman not only retain their male genetalia"

And what are you basing this statistic on? The research you've done on the "shemale" sites? Well I hate to burst your bubble, but the overwhelming number of trans women are not keeping their male genitalia, and the overwhelming majority are not flaunting their junk on the internet or newspapers. In fact, the overwhelming majority has absolutely no interest in sex work of any kind.

As for the few you do work in the sex trade, such as myself, most of us do so because we need the money. Sex work is a sacrifice we make to get the things we want. Don't fool yourself. Most of us would not do this if we didn't need to and just because one of the girls told you she liked nothing more than to top guys does not necessarily make it true. It would be bad for business if we all said, "no bottom men please." Don't be so naive. We'll say anything to keep the client happy.

As for the term "shemale", it is not an accepted term in the medical community, or the psychiatric community. It was invented by the porn industry and is generally regarded with disdain by many trans women.

Please, in the future, if you are going to spout opinions as facts, do some research in places other than ShemaleYum.