Is it next to IMPOSSIBLE to have a Tgirl relationship ???

[TesticuLarry]

And as the sun rises on Black Friday, TS-Lisa Paradise, Canada's Sweetheart, has brought all the negativity and ill-will in this thread to a grinding halt. Thank God!

There's a great lesson to be learned! Blessed are the peace-makers like Lisa and I!

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[sensual_lover20]

T-Girl Relationships

I came across this tiny blog on Japanese new-halfs which is quite foreign to most people as the abundance of asian t-girls we think of come from usually either Thailand or the Phillipines. If you watch the youtube video somewhat closely you will notice that the men WANT these girls. Just an intuition that you can see in their eyes. Which makes me wonder why are society is so damn conservative! It is unfortunate they showcase the girls as some oddity. If you read in the blog though, it is becoming more mainstream which is positive. Enjoy the link.

http://sinfulawakening.blogspot.com/...-newhalfs.html

[dan_calgary]

Maybe one day some really special princess tgirl will swoop into my life and capture my heart. Would be nice, would be splendid. But I'm not holding my breath.

Amen !!!, each of us is hoping for that day to happen to us,

excellent post

[Crossover1]

As long as you guys keep thinking of t-girls as something that has to be hidden away, then you will never have a relationship with one. It's as simple as that. Stop thinking of us as "unorthodox". Stop loving our penis. Stop treating us differently that any other woman, and stop worrying about what others think. Once you do this, you shouldn?t have any problem finding a nice girl to be with.

The man I fall in love with will love me not because I?m trans, but regardless.

This is a horribly naive way of looking at things. You are different. You are not technically a woman as far as society is concerned.

I would argue it's a two way street: perhaps I will be brave in accepting you, but you will also be brave in accepting that for most of us, it is a shitstorm of new emotions and situations we may not be ready for.

[JianGTR]

People need to understand that when your walking down the stair with a beautiful transgender around your arm 9 times out of 10 the guys that give the dirty looks are the ones beating off to shemale porn when they get home. Live your own life and don't be so concerned about what others think.

I also have to agree that the reason they fight so hard day by day is to be nothing more then what makes them happy inside.

[TesticuLarry]

People need to understand that when your walking down the stair with a beautiful transgender around your arm 9 times out of 10 the guys that give the dirty looks are the ones beating off to shemale porn when they get home. Live your own life and don't be so concerned about what others think.

I also have to agree that the reason they fight so hard day by day is to be nothing more then what makes them happy inside.

While walking down one stair would be a ridiculously short walk, I agree with you concerning the haters.

Your only alive a short time but dead forever. Fuck what anyone else thinks is my credo. They're probably not thinking 1/10th the amount about you that you're thinking they do!

[TesticuLarry]

This is a horribly naive way of looking at things. You are different. You are not technically a woman as far as society is concerned.

I would argue it's a two way street: perhaps I will be brave in accepting you, but you will also be brave in accepting that for most of us, it is a shitstorm of new emotions and situations we may not be ready for.

Exactly. Have any of the t-girls here that perceive themselves to be women ever actually gone as far as to look up the "woman" in the dictionary? Or would that be tantamount to the simians visiting the "Forbidden Zone of Awareness" in "the Planet of the Apes".

There's a quaint WB cartoon where Porky Pig and Daffy Dark are arguing (as usual). They get into this back and forth. Daffy tells Porky that he's an eagle and Porky keeps countering, "I'm a pig". They go back and forth like this, faster and faster with each response, until after 10 times or so, Daffy turns it around by saying, "Pig", and in the confusion, Porky says, "Eagle!". That exchange ensues for 5 or so times until Porky breaks the rhythm and loudly, emphatically declares, "I'm an eagle and I'll prove it!"

Porky climbs up a tree, stands on a branch, flaps his arms, and jumps. He falls flat on his face, looks at Daffy and says, "I told you I was a pig!".

Point is, you can say you're an eagle, and actually believe it, convince yourself of that if you can, but when it comes time to fly.. you're a pig.

Simply read the dictionary to discover the differences between eagles and pigs, and then look up woman and man to note the differences. This information is available to all online.

None of the definitions will have anything to do with thinking you're an eagle if you're a pig, thinking you're a man if you're a woman, or thinking you're a woman if you're a man.
Hope this helps.

[Salvador]

Nice poetry
That might make a good song.....

[Foxy Basket]

Troll with a capital T

TesticuLarry:

What, exactly, are you trying to prove? 45 posts in less than a month, yet you haven't said one positive word about any of the girls here. Have you simply run out of other webrings to troll within?

You seem to think that society thinks we are not women, and that society supports your position. If we are not females, but "shemales" (which you use in a most derogatory sense) then please tell me: why does my license have an "F" instead of an "M"? Or, by your definition, an "S"? Why are my credit card statements addressed to Ms. Nikki ********? Why does every person in my life refer to me using female pronouns, such as "she" and "her" instead of "he" or "it"? What is it that you know that the rest of us don't?

If you think you're somehow going to convince us that we aren't women, then you're merely the most recent in a very long line. Since our births, when our socialization began, we were pressured, prodded and pressed into the life of a boy; every part of society told us this was who we are, and that we should be who they said we should be. And yet, somehow, we managed to overcome these obstacles, and became who we knew ourselves to be.

While you speak with an uncommonly articulate voice, it remains little more than a monotonous diatribe that we've heard a million times before. People with far more significance and importance have spit the same vitriol; we ignored those opinions, as surely as we'll continue to ignore yours.

You're little more than a broken record, as far as we're concerned. We know who we are. Our loved ones know who we are. Our clients, our friends, our family, even our casual acquaintences respect us for who we are; why would we possibly consider your opinion more valid than theirs? Or our own?

Your admirable vocabulary does little to belie your obvious lack of knowledge. If you think the categories of "woman" and "man" are unquestionable and stable, then spend a few hours reading the works of Judith Butler and Leslie Feinberg. If you think that humans can be easily divided by penises or vaginas, then read some of Cheryl Chase's writings on intersexuality. If you think that human DNA limits itself only to XX and XY karyotypes, then run a search on Kleinfelter's Syndrome or Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, and read up on Chimerism and a woman named Lydia Fairchild. These are the exceptions that destroy your rules; perhaps if you had a better understanding of human biology, you wouldn't be so quick to squeeze people into your easily-understood (but highly inaccurate) categories.

We've suffered through many more challenges to our identity than the ones you've posed; we're strong enough to overcome arguments with more validity than yours. I'm not sure why you're here, other than your poor attempts to convince us of something we know to be untrue; maybe you're just trying to show us how smart you are. Regardless, even the most eloquent argument falls flat when based on false premises, and yours is based on the most tenuous of suppositions. Surely you have other places where you can pontificate? Or have all your other trolling destinations already banned you for your malice? The fact that you invoke the Looney Toons as the foundation of your argument seems rather apropos; perhaps you'd be better off limiting your future discourse to Saturday morning cartoons.

. . .Your only alive a short time but dead forever. Fuck what anyone else thinks is my credo. They're probably not thinking 1/10th the amount about you that you're thinking they do!

Finally, something we can agree on! I'll start by not giving a fuck what YOU think. I'm quite sure that others on the forum feel exactly the same way.

[TesticuLarry]

What, exactly, are you trying to prove? 45 posts in less than a month, yet you haven't said one positive word about any of the girls here. Have you simply run out of other webrings to troll within?

Oh cum now! Now you're talking with the little head rather than the big head. You overheated, very easily excitable shemales are very prone to those type of outbursts, but I'm sure you know that, God Bless ya'!
Everything I write is positive, and complimentary to logic. It just depends on the questionable sanity level of your perspective and being able to see facts clearly, unfettered by personal delusions. The glass is always half full with me! I'm not America's Sweetheart for nothing!

You seem to think that society thinks we are not women, and that society supports your position. If we are not females, but "shemales" (which you use in a most derogatory sense) then please tell me: why does my license have an "F" instead of an "M"? Or, by your definition, an "S"? Why are my credit card statements addressed to Ms. Nikki ********? Why does every person in my life refer to me using female pronouns, such as "she" and "her" instead of "he" or "it"? What is it that you know that the rest of us don't?

Because you want them to. It's alot easier to change your pedigree than to change your biology, isn't it? Try this. Throw a brick through a store window in a drunken rage. Stand there, alarms blaring, until the police arrive and take a swing at them a they approach you. Resist arrest for good measure. When they're processing you, demand to be held with the women. See what they say when you point out that all of your ID says "Ms" as your cock is waving in their faces as you hold your balls and cough for them. I'll bet you $1,000,000 that your bunk mate will be male, and who knows, you two may be real happy to see one another! Every cloud has a silver lining, right?

But you know what? OK, Lady. You win. You're a female, because your pedigree says Ms. So let me ask you, Lady. At what age did you start menstruating, if you don't my asking? Around 11 years of age with the rest of the girls in your 6th grade class?

If you think you're somehow going to convince us that we aren't women, then you're merely the most recent in a very long line. Since our births, when our socialization began, we were pressured, prodded and pressed into the life of a boy; every part of society told us this was who we are, and that we should be who they said we should be. And yet, somehow, we managed to overcome these obstacles, and became who we knew ourselves to be.

You don't particularly need me to break the news to you, do you? Any child that's has some type of rudimentary human biology study can tell you. Pick out a 10 year old at random and ask, "Let me ask you a question, Sonny Boy. If I have a penis and testicles, am I a man or a woman? If I have a vagina, a clitoris, a vaginal vault, fallopian tubes, ovaries, and can reproduce my kind with live birth, am I a man or a woman?" I'll wager the answer you get will be the same with little to no variation, even among the gender challenged. Whether the buzzers go off in your head when you get your answers will depend upon your willingness to process the data.
This experiment may help you to regain the knowledge central to what you've forgotten. That there are biological differnences between men and women that can't be circumvented by getting a weave, fake tits, putting on heels, and singing "I Feel Pretty".

While you speak with an uncommonly articulate voice, it remains little more than a monotonous diatribe that we've heard a million times before. People with far more significance and importance have spit the same vitriol; we ignored those opinions, as surely as we'll continue to ignore yours.

Not at all. You mistake my unbiased observation of your confusion of what you are biologically for vitriol. It's no more vitriolic than my pointing out to Porky that he's not an eagle and why? I'm always first and foremost a gentleman! I'm also a Shemale fan. My words are not a condemnation of them, as you're mistakenly interpreting them. I;m just pointing out the gliches in your thinking due to logic taking a vacation. You forgot what you really are!

You're little more than a broken record, as far as we're concerned. We know who we are. Our loved ones know who we are. Our clients, our friends, our family, even our casual acquaintences respect us for who we are; why would we possibly consider your opinion more valid than theirs? Or our own?

My opinion, though you profess to be of quite little significance to you, seems to be quite a bone of contention to you, despite your adamance that you really don't give a shit!

Your admirable vocabulary does little to belie your obvious lack of knowledge. If you think the categories of "woman" and "man" are unquestionable and stable, then spend a few hours reading the works of Judith Butler and Leslie Feinberg. If you think that humans can be easily divided by penises or vaginas, then read some of Cheryl Chase's writings on intersexuality. If you think that human DNA limits itself only to XX and XY karyotypes, then run a search on Kleinfelter's Syndrome or Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, and read up on Chimerism and a woman named Lydia Fairchild. These are the exceptions that destroy your rules; perhaps if you had a better understanding of human biology, you wouldn't be so quick to squeeze people into your easily-understood (but highly inaccurate) categories.

My understanding of human biology far surpasses your imagination, which you seem to suffer from no lack of. How can you pretend to know what my levels of understanding of sciences and their applications may be without knowing anything about me, other than I'm quick to point out illogical thinking and that I'm America's Sweetheart?

We've suffered through many more challenges to our identity than the ones you've posed; we're strong enough to overcome arguments with more validity than yours. I'm not sure why you're here, other than your poor attempts to convince us of something we know to be untrue; maybe you're just trying to show us how smart you are. Regardless, even the most eloquent argument falls flat when based on false premises, and yours is based on the most tenuous of suppositions. Surely you have other places where you can pontificate? Or have all your other trolling destinations already banned you for your malice? The fact that you invoke the Looney Toons as the foundation of your argument seems rather apropos; perhaps you'd be better off limiting your future discourse to Saturday morning cartoons.

Again, you mistake logical observation and interpreting the fallacies in your arguments as tenuous suppositions. I figured the Looney Tunes example would perfectly illustrate the idea that a pig is not an eagle, an eagle is not a pig, and a man is not a woman, and being limited by biological considerations cannot perform all functions of both sexes specifically inherent and unique to either female or male.
No matter how much effort you put into effeminizing yourself, society, law, and science will always interpret your biology as male, unless you can prestidigitate a vagina right where your cock and balls are. Can you do that?
Until you can, you're basically a male, hence the term she-male. You appear to be a female, until the pants hit the floor and the trouser snake and his two pals say "Hello".
Honestly now. Tell the truth for once. How many people that know you have a cock and balls refer to you as "that woman", unless they do so out of courteousy, to placate you?

Finally, something we can agree on! I'll start by not giving a fuck what YOU think. I'm quite sure that others on the forum feel exactly the same way.

Yes. All those that have a cock and balls and have somehow forgotten that their genetalia supercedes the fantasies that their brains create for them.
We make think we can fly, but even if Michael Jordan himself tries taking to the air, he'll be in for a rude awakening as soon as he hits the ground trying if he thinks he's going to somehow stay up there.

[Foxy Basket]

Note to self - stop feeding the Trolls!

Despite your well-constructed rhetoric, you didn't answer my main question: what, exactly, are you doing here? Besides flaming everyone in every thread you jump into, of course. Is there a point to your endless commentary? Or do you simply have nothing better to do than trying to convince tgirls that you consider us male?

I've made no assumptions about you; I've merely responded to the evidence you've presented (or lack thereof). Perhaps you do know more about biology than you let on, but your argument suggests otherwise. You chose to ignore the examples I used to demonstrate the diversity of human genetics and genitalia; you simply claimed that your "understanding of human biology far surpasses [my] imagination." You didn't explain why these examples were wrong; you only claimed that you knew more than I thought you knew, and then used biological generalizations (menstruation, pregnancy, etc) which aren't actually true of the entire XX-karyotype population.

If you know more about biology than I assumed you did, then you would realize that your own generalizations are based on scientifically untrue assumptions - not every XX-karyotype individual (what you refer to as a biological woman) is born with the capacity for these things. So, if that's how you define "woman," then scientifically, I'm no different than a girl born without the capacity to carry a child. And, to drive the point home a little further, an XY-kayotype individual with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (which your understanding of biology doesn't seem to include) is exactly the same an infertile woman - and she has the same chromosomal makeup and reproductive capacity as I do. So, again, your generalizations don't do anything to reinforce your opinion.

Then you invoked the "knowledge" that might be gleaned from a random 10-year-old. Well, if you want to talk to an average 10-year-old about the complexities of Kleinfelter's, or the existence of intersex people, go ahead, but you might have more luck talking about cartoons. I think 10-year-olds will understand Porky Pig more easily than they'll understand Judith Butler (hell, I'm amazed that ANYONE can understand Butler - her writing style is as impenetrable as Fort Knox!) Have you actually read any of the authors I brought up? If you have, then maybe I'm wrong - you're welcome to prove your position with actual evidence to contradict their research and resulting theories.

I don't care about your opinion, this much is true. However, I (mistakenly) thought that I could discover the motivation behind your participation on this forum. I still don't know what you're doing here, or what you're trying to prove, but you don't seem to want to answer that question either.

If you want to gender me as male, I'm certainly not going to stop you. However, your insistence that all of society genders me in the same way is factually incorrect, and my identification proves it. Even in your hypothetical scenario, Toronto Police Services would not place a self-identified transsexual woman in a male holding cell. Your knowledge of law enforcement policies is also factually incorrect.

Note to other tgirls: If you're trans, and you ever get arrested, it's imperative that you identify yourself as such immediately, and insist upon appropriate placement in a private holding cell. Larry is dead wrong about this; it doesn't matter what your ID says - you have a legal right to not be placed with the male population, but you must identify as trans right away!

You're obviously not unintelligent (though perhaps uninformed) so if you want to define yourself by what's between your legs, that's your preference - but I define myself by what's between my ears. With a screen name like TesticuLarry, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

As for the rest of your "argument" I hardly think this is an illogical outburst, since I've supported my position with evidence, while you've offered little more than conjecture. You're merely trying to goad me into attacking your character, rather than your words. I feel foolish for letting it get this far, so I'm going to withdraw from all further discourse with you - you've clearly made up your mind about me, and it's obvious that no amount of logic or evidence will change your opinions. In the meantime, keep talking to those 10-year-olds, and leave the serious thought to the adults.

[shemale_patriciaM]

Bravo Nikki...Bravo!!! You made your point excatly and TesticuLarry is buried more than 6 feet under. I am more than thrilled to see trangendered women like Nikki who is not only intelligent but also stands up not only for herself but also for the rest of us. People like the guy she just put to his resting place are nothing but "hate mongers" and ignorant about who transgendered women really are.

Rest in peace TesticuLarry.

[Crossover1]

Nikki you write intelligently, and I enjoy your posts, you must understand Larry's point-of-view. He may be an ass (haven't read his other posts so don't know) but there is truth in what he writes. If as a society we just took people at their own self-definition, and not their biology, we'd have a confusing world.

I am gay positive, I am trans pos, I believe in freedom of all kinds and I believe freedoms can expand endlessly if we accept each other, but the ferocious reaction against being called "men" in a world where you'd like to be called "women" just reinforces the reality.

As Jung noted, we are all composed of male and female energies, however you might define them. How we get dropped into a suit that is "male" or "female" is an open question, a mystery of the universe. But there are limitations to form that ALL of us deal with in one way or another. I am literally a black man stuck in a white man's body. It was a joke when I was growing up. Alas, I am not a 6' 9" forward for the Lakers, but I can like hip hop. (pardon the gross generalizations, but they are true). You see my point?

The best way to proceed with trolls or the closet boys, etc, is through firm grace, rather than fifty paragraph long diatribes. Accept that more and more straight men are interested in their femininity, in their assholes as pleasure centres, and ultimately, in the union of the male and feminine energies.

Guys like Larry may come in on what you think is ignorance or misinformation. You have an opportunity to declare who you are without the anger, the shrieks, the sadness. (not saying you were these things, but this is too often the tone) People naturally want to understand behind their masks.

The good news is that the world is changing very fast. I think that it will become a fact in the next five years that a major celebrity in America will come out with a tgirl lover (probably Jennifer Paris will be the choice, lol). I know people in porn and the tgirl stuff is exploding in popularity. Straight men aren't as terrified as they used to be. In my hood in Toronto, I know half a dozen "straight" men who have fucked trannies and talked openly about it, around the "football" bar.

Good stuff is happening. Let's move it along with understanding. A troll is a troll is a troll and fuck 'em, but don't write for the trolls, write for the other people who are genuine. Hey, maybe Larry's genuine under his mask.

[alyssa1]

Thank you nikki for being our commanding voice and putting evrything so ellequently! but i cant put my finger on this testicularry sounds like a very familiar style of writing i have seen on this forum before.hmmm? could it be....

[toban]

His is a voice not needed here!

Thank you nikki for being our commanding voice and putting evrything so ellequently! but i cant put my finger on this testicularry sounds like a very familiar style of writing i have seen on this forum before.hmmm? could it be....

He sounds to me a little like Otis and that other steroid-fired "iron pumper" that used to come on here only to slam the girls awhile back, though Testi's writing is considerably more upscale than was theirs.