Ladies, don't you think discrimination should be banned?

[Guest]

Strike Threeeeeee.

I think its very fitting that your having difficulty understanding and comprehending a simple comment I made 2 days ago. Just like your having trouble understanding and comprehending what discrimination is and why it dont apply to these videos.

I hope you keep on pressing about this comment Babe, your the one looking stupid not me.

I will play with you a little, though. This is kinda like a teaser:

NO. YOUR dumb, because you cant understant it....

Hi,

THERE WE HAVE IT, FOLKS.
Greep refuses to explain his own post.
WHAT a sexist person.

Let the record show that greep can't or won't explain his comment because he knows his answer will only be discriminatory remarks.

He refused the challenge to clarify his comment.
He chooses to insult me, instead.
And to say that he will stick around to taunt even more is even worse.

I request moderation, please.

Babe,
xoxo

[greep]

Sorry that I've denied you that beautiful prewritten response you had all lined up.

You can still post it though.

You know what i meant by that comment.

Deal with it.

[Guest]

Okay, greep, you've made your ignorance and rudeness quite clear to all.
Now, stop posting in this thread, please.

[greep]

Okay, greep, you've made your ignorance and rudeness quite clear to all.
Now, stop posting in this thread, please.

Oh gee, more insults, thanks.

So, you give up, fine with me. Like a little girl that cant win and takes her barbie doll home.

All you had to do was stay on topic, but instead like a little dog you got fixated on a simple little thing. And tried to trick me into explaining a simple past comment. But I didnt bite.

Sorry.Sorry to disappoint you.

Aren't you embarrassed that your the only person that needs clarification on that comment.

It's funny..... you have all the answers on everything in the universe, you have everything all figured out, religion, human health, poltergeists, etc - but you cant figure what the point I'm making in the comment is, lol.

I bet Dom r can figure it out.

I'm done. This is too easy, lol.
.

[Guest]

All you had to do was stay on topic, but instead like a little dog you got fixated on a simple little thing. And tried to trick me into explaining a simple past comment. But I didnt bite.

According to greep i am like a little dog now.

[Guest]

Discrimination

[Guest]

Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho

Hi,

In this clip, we see Norman Bates cross-dressing in his mother's clothes when he kills the woman in the shower.
Who would have known that Norman Bates had gender issues?
Just another murdering cross-dresser/transgender in the movies.

Transgenders appear to be murders, don't they? Good ole Hollywood.

Babe,
xoxo

[Guest]

Here's only part of a whole list.

Hi,

I haven't seen all the clips or movies on this list but i posted it here just to illustrate how often the subject of cross-dressing, transgenderism or transsexualism has been shown in television shows and movies.
I can be sure most, if not all, of them either make fun of the TGs or shows her to be a murderer or some sort of deranged person for the most part.

That is how we have been portrayed in society.
That is why we are so discriminated against - it's a worldwide brainwashing scheme, believe it or not.
If you disagree, please tell me why you think we are so discriminated against.

Babe,
xoxo

Here is only a part of the list.
The whole list can be seen here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-d...and_television

Movies that feature cross-dressing as a central plot element:

• Several films based on the 1892 United Kingdom play Charley's Aunt by Brandon Thomas
  • Charley's Aunt (1915) – An American film.
  • Charley's (Big-Hearted) Aunt (1940)
  • Fram f?r lilla M?rta (1945) – A Swedish film. A musician, played by Stig J?rrel, crossdresses to get a job in an all-female orchestra.
  • Charles Tante (1959) – A Danish film starring Dirch Passer.
  • Charleys Tante (1956) – A German film.
  • Charleys Tante (1963) – A German film.
  • Hello, I'm Your Aunt! (1974) – A Soviet film.
  
  
• Les R?sultats du f?minism (1906), remade as In the Year 2000 (1912). Both are believed to be lost.
• Wallace Beery portrayed Sweedie in a series of films 1914–1916.
• I Don't Want to Be a Man (Ich m?chte kein Mann sein) (1920)
• Peter (1934) – A musical comedy by Henry Koster starring Franciska Gaal.
• Sylvia Scarlett (1935) – Katharine Hepburn dresses as a boy for most of the movie; this is her first movie with Cary Grant.
• As You Like It (1936) – Based on the play with the same name by William Shakespeare.
• Boy! What a Girl! (1947) – Tim Moore impersonates a woman as "Bumpsie".
• Das Wirtshaus im Spessart (1958) – Young countess dresses as a poor boy and joins the robbers to save her friends.
• Some Like It Hot (1959) – Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon dress as women and join an all-girl band, in order to hide from the mob.
• Psycho (1960) – Anthony Perkins is a killer who wears his dead mother's clothes.
• Homicidal (1961) – Male role played by Jean Arless was actually actress Joan Marshall.
• Gunn (1967) – The killer is revealed to be a cross-dresser.
• The Kremlin Letter (1969) – George Sanders plays a notorious transvestite.
• Sometimes Aunt Martha Does Dreadful Things (1971) - Two criminals hide from the law, with one of them pretending to be the other's aunt.
• Female Trouble (1974) – Divine plays an obese criminal woman and an obese man.
• The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975) – Tim Curry plays a self-proclaimed "sweet transvestite from Transsexual, Transylvania".
• La Cage aux Folles (1978) – Features female impersonators.
• Lady Oscar (1979) – The female protagonist, Oscar Fran?ois de Jarjayes, dresses as a man, but privately acknowledges her feminine side.
• Dressed to Kill (1981) – The killer dresses as a woman.
• Victor Victoria (1982) – Transvestism in various forms is included in this musical comedy.
• Tootsie (1982) – Dustin Hoffman becomes the female star of a television soap opera.
• A Blade in the Dark (1983) – Michele Soavi plays Tony Rendina/Linda.
• Just One of the Guys (1985) – Joyce Hyser plays a boy so she can win a journalism contest.
• He's My Girl (1987) [1]
• Mascara (1987) [2]
• Delinquent in Drag (1988) – Suke Banji gets expelled from school, and is subsequently forced to masquerade as a girl in his next school.
• Torch Song Trilogy (1988) – Harvey Fierstein plays Arnold, a New York female impersonator.
• Nobody's Perfect (1989) [3]
• Nuns on the Run (1990) – Eric Idle and Robbie Coltrane disguise as nuns.
• Just Like a Woman (1992) – Adrian Pasdar is Gerald, a finance executive and transvestite, who finds himself thrown out by his wife, when she discovers women's underwear in their flat.
• Ladybugs (1992) – Jonathan Brandis dresses as a girl to play in the girls' soccer team.
• Little Sister (1992) – Bobby (Jonathan Silverman) becomes 'Roberta' in order to infiltrate a sorority house and be close to Diana (Alyssa Milano).
• Mrs. Doubtfire (1993) – Robin Williams's character Daniel Hillard disguises himself as a woman so he can see his children.
• Anything for Love (1993) – Chris (Corey Haim) dresses as a girl to avoid his tormentors at school.
• My Summer as a Girl (1994) – Zach Braff's character Tony cross-dresses to get a job as a chambermaid.[4]
• The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert (1994) – An offbeat comedy of three men traveling cross country, to perform a drag show in the outback of Australia. Two of them, Felicia (Guy Pearce) and Mitzi (Hugo Weaving) are drag queens, while Bernadette (Terence Stamp) is a post-operation male to female transsexual.
• He's a Woman, She's a Man (1994) – Wing (Anita Yuen) is a sassy girl who enters a country-wide, males-only talent search, disguised as a male.
• Color of Night (1994) – An erotic thriller by director Richard Rush.
• To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar (1995) – Three drag queens help people in a small town after their Cadillac breaks down on the way to Los Angeles.
• Twelfth Night: Or What You Will (1996) – Based on the 1623 play Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare.
• My Friend Joe (1996) – Joe is a girl disguising as a boy.
• The Associate (1996) – Whoopi Goldberg dresses as a white man to prove Wall Street wrong.
• The Birdcage (1996) – Features drag queens, including Albert Goldman (Nathan Lane), who dresses up like Val Goldman's mother, to help him win the hand of his girlfriend.
• Mr. Headmistress (1998) [5]
• Chachi 420 (1998) – A Bollywood film reminiscent of Mrs. Doubtfire, in which a father gets divorced and also loses the custody of his daughter. He tries to get in his wife's house by disguising as a maid to be near his daughter and wife, and a series of comic situations occur.

[Guest]

Part1 First Nations respected transgenders until the whites taught them differently.

Two-Spirit People (also Two Spirit or Twospirit), an English term that emerged in 1990 out of the third annual inter-tribal Native American/First Nations gay/lesbian American conference in Winnipeg, describes Indigenous North Americans who fulfill one of many mixed gender roles found traditionally among many Native Americans and Canadian First Nations indigenous groups. The mixed gender roles encompassed by the term historically included wearing the clothing and performing the work associated with both men and women.
A direct translation of the Ojibwe term, Niizh manidoowag, "two-spirited" or "two-spirit" is usually used to indicate a person whose body simultaneously houses a masculine spirit and a feminine spirit. The term can also be used more abstractly, to indicate presence of two contrasting human spirits (such as Warrior and Clan Mother) or two contrasting animal spirits (which, depending on the culture, might be Eagle and Coyote). However, these uses, while descriptive of some aboriginal cultural practices and beliefs, depart somewhat from the 1990 purposes of promoting the term.
According to Brian Joseph Gilly, the presence of male two-spirits "was a fundamental institution among most tribal peoples."[1] Will Roscoe writes that male and female two-spirits have been "documented in over 130 tribes, in every region of North America, among every type of native culture."[2]
Contents

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• 1 Terminology
• 2 Definition and historic societal role
• 3 People
  • 3.1 Historical Two-Spirits
  • 3.2 Modern self-identified Two-Spirits
  
  
• 4 See also
• 5 References
• 6 Sources and further reading
• 7 External links

[edit] Terminology

There are many indigenous terms for these individuals in the various Native American languages ? including Lakota w?ŋkte and Navajo n?dleeh? (Burrus & Keller, 2006: p. 73).[3]
Until recently, the term berdache was used by anthropologists as a generic term to indicate "two-spirit" individuals; however, this term is increasingly considered outdated and inappropriate. It is a loan from French bardache implying a male prostitute or catamite. The word's origin is complex: the French derives from the Spanish bardaxa or bardaje / bardaja via Italian bardasso or berdasia via Arabic bardaj: البَرْدَجُ" meaning "captive, captured"[4] from Persian bardaj < Middle Persian vartak < Old Iranian *varta-, cognate to Avestan varəta- "seized, prisoner," formed from an Indo-European root *welə- meaning "to strike, wound."[5][6][7][8]
Use of the term has widely been replaced with two-spirit (except in scholarly literature,[9]) which originated in Winnipeg, Canada in 1990 during the third annual intertribal Native American/First Nations gay and lesbian conference. It is a calque of the Ojibwa phrase niizh manidoowag (two spirits). It was chosen to distance Native/First Nations people from non-natives as well as from the words berdache and gay.[10][11][12]
[edit] Definition and historic societal role


This article is written like a personal reflection or essay and may require cleanup. Please help improve it by rewriting it in an encyclopedic style. (December 2009)
Detail of Dance to the Berdashe, painted by George Catlin


These individuals were sometimes viewed in certain tribes as having two spirits occupying one body. Their dress is usually a mixture of traditionally male and traditionally female articles. According to Sabine Lang they have distinct gender and social roles in their tribes.[13] In some tribes, male-bodied two-spirits held specific active roles which, varying by tribe, may include:

• healers or medicine persons
• conveyors of oral traditions and songs (Yuki)
• foretold the future (Winnebago, Oglala Lakota)
• conferred lucky names on children or adults (Oglala Lakota, Tohono O'odham)
• Nurses during war expeditions
• made pottery (Zuni, Navajo, Tohono O'odham)
• matchmaking (Cheyenne, Omaha, Oglala Lakota)
• made feather regalia for dances (Maidu)
• fulfilled special functions in connection with the Sun Dance (Crow, Hidatsa, Oglala Lakota)

Some feel the two spirit identity may be explained as a ?form of social failure, women-men are seen as individuals who are not in a position to adapt themselves to the masculine role prescribed by their culture? (Lang, 28). Lang goes on to suggest that two-spirit people lost masculine power socially, so they took on female social roles to climb back up the social ladder within the tribe. Others feel that the two spirit identity is very natural within certain individuals.
Cross dressing of two-spirit people was not always an indicator of cross acting (taking on other gender roles and social status within the tribe). Lang explains ?the mere fact that a male wears women's clothing does not say something about his role behavior, his gender status, or even his choice of partner...? (62). Often within tribes, a child?s gender was decided by depending on their inclination toward either masculine or feminine activities, or their intersex status. Puberty was about the time by which clothing choices were made to physically display their gender choice.[citation needed]
Two-spirit people, specifically male-bodied (biologically male, gender female), could go to war and have access to male activities such as sweat lodges.[14] However, they also took on female roles such as cooking and other domestic responsibilities. Today?s societal standards look down upon feminine males, and this perception of that identity has trickled into Native society. The acculturation of these attitudes has created a sense of shame towards two-spirit males who live or dress as females and there is no longer a wish to understand the dual lifestyle they possess.[citation needed]
Two-spirits might have relationships with people of either sex.[15] Female-bodied two-spirits usually had sexual relations or marriages with only females.[16] In the Lakota tribe, two-spirits commonly married widowers; a male-bodied two-spirit could perform the function of parenting the children of her husband's late wife without any risk of bearing new children to whom she might give priority.[17] Partners of two-spirits did not take on any special recognition, although some believed that after having sexual relations with a two-spirit they would obtain magical abilities, be given obscene nicknames by the two-spirited person which they believed held "good luck," or in the case of male partners, receive a boost to their masculinity. Relationships between two two-spirited individuals is absent in the literature with one tribe as an exception, the Tewa.[18] Male-bodied two-spirits regarded each other as "sisters," it is speculated that it may have been seen as incestuous to have a relationship with another two-spirit.[19] It is known that in certain tribes a relationship between a two-spirit and non-two-spirit was seen on the most part as neither heterosexual nor homosexual (in modern day terms) but more "hetero-gender," Europeans however saw them as being homosexual.

[Guest]

Part2 First Nations respected transgenders until the whites taught them differently.

Partners of two-spirits did not experience themselves as "homosexual," and moreover drew a sharp conceptual line between themselves and two-spirits.[20]
Although two-spirits were both respected and feared in many tribes, the two-spirit was not beyond reproach or even being killed for bad deeds. In the Mohave tribe for instance, they frequently became medicine persons and were likely to be suspected of witchcraft in cases of failed harvest or of death. They were, like any other medicine person, frequently killed over these suspicions (such as the female-bodied two-spirit named Sahaykwisā).[21] Another instance in the late 1840s was of a Crow male-bodied two-spirit who was caught, possibly raiding horses, by the Lakota and was killed.[22]
According to certain reports there had never been an alternative gender among the Comanche.[23] This is true of some Apache bands as well, except for the Lipan, Chiricahua, Mescalero, and southern Dilzhe'e.[24][25] One tribe in particular, the Eyak, has a single report from 1938 that they did not have an alternative gender and they held such individuals in low esteem, although whether this sentiment is the result of acculturation or not is unknown.[26][27] It has been claimed that the Iroquois did not either,[23] although there is a single report from Bacqueville de La Potherie in his book published in 1722, Histoire de l'Am?rique septentrionale, that indicates that an alternative gender existed among them (vol. 3, pg. 41).[28] Many, if not all, tribes have been influenced by European homophobia/transphobia.[29][30][31][32][33][34]

It has been claimed that the Aztecs and Incas had laws against such individuals,[35][36][37] though there are some authors who feel that this was exaggerated or the result of acculturation, because all of the documents indicating this are post-conquest and any that existed before had been destroyed by the Spanish.[33][38] The belief that these laws existed, at least for the Aztecs, comes from the Florentine Codex. According to Dr Nancy Fitch, Professor of History at California State University,

There is evidence that indigenous peoples authored many codices, but the Spaniards destroyed most of them in their attempt to eradicate ancient beliefs. ... The Florentine Codex is unquestionably a troubling primary source. Natives writing in Nahuatl under the supervision of the Spanish Fray Bernardino de Sahag?n apparently produced the manuscript in the 1500s. The facts of its production raise serious questions about whether the manuscript represents the vision of the vanquished or of the colonizers ... colonization of the natives? minds loomed large in the Spanish project ... To make matters worse, while it appears that the original manuscript was completed in Nahuatl some time around 1555, no evidence of it remains. Authorities in New Spain confiscated his manuscripts in 1575, and at various times, the Spanish monarchy ordered him to stop his work. The earliest known version of the manuscript is, thus, Sahag?n?s summary of it written in Spanish. In 1585, he published a revised version of the codex, which, he argued, corrected some errors and integrated some things ignored in his earlier summary. Sahag?n?s revised version is the manuscript commonly known as the Florentine Codex.

? Nancy Fitch, The Conquest of Mexico Annotated Bibliography

[Guest]

M. Butterfly - Jeremy Irons and John Lone

Hi,

I've just watched this movie. It was very good, in my opinion. A little slow, but intense. Great ending.
Here's what happens at the end, well, you see, at the very end of the movie...the butterfly gets it's head stuck in it's fly and when it finally frees itself, it falls onto a plate of butter and then, it tries ....

Watch the movie.

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/IsYaibU3PDU/

Babe,
xoxo

[Rantsalot]

...

greep, really, this exchange between you and Babe didn't have to go on for this long. Babe. Please understand too that whats said on the screen isn't necessarily the true tone conveyed. It takes a little adjusting to familiarize yourself with some of the personalities here.

I will say this though. Forum members should learn when to quit while they're ahead.

[greep]

You are right.
However the first mistake was replying to him when he became unreasonable.

But really after all the times we have asked, i cannot understand why Greep can't just lay off sometimes.
He always ends up taking things too far.

You might be right THIS time. I feel like I 'entertained' her idiocy about 6 pages too long, lol.

If it wasn't for me this would be a very boring thread, though.

It was fun.

BTW: I notice you guys chime in now, AFTER I stopped contributing to this thread. Where where these comments before? I was dying to get some input from others. Are you guys telling me something?

[Rantsalot]

...

You might be right THIS time. I feel like I 'entertained' her idiocy about 6 pages too long, lol.

If it wasn't for me this would be a very boring thread, though.

It was fun.

BTW: I notice you guys chime in now, after I stopped contributing to this thread. Where where these comments before? I was dying to get some input from others. Are you guys telling me something?

Part of the reason is we would have hoped as I said you would've stopped while things were getting a little out of control. We can not monitor everyone all the time and want to give the benefit of the doubt to members in that they would display some diplomacy and responsibility.

Admin can tell you the other reasons if he/she seems fit too.

[Guest]

... I feel like I 'entertained' her idiocy about 6 pages too long, lol....

Uh huh!