Tia Phoenixx: is escorting business of tgirls in decline? unedited interview

[xoxJanexox]

Good start!
We have to have a good drive and positive thinking in this industry to start with.
the moment you will be able to charge the starting rate of, let's say $300 or even better $400 an hour, and people are still lining up. I personally will come and salute you in Ottawa.

Why?
Because you will be the second escort in that category who will be able to do that, besides me (when I was flat chested) in Canada

my reason:
as an escorts we can charge whatever price we want to charge, but the clients (the market) ultimately will decide whether or not the "price" is right. The moment you charge $300 or $400 an hour or even more for some escorts, you will move to "upscale market", catering the service primarily to professionals and business men. When you are still busy in this category, that is really something to celebrate!

good luck

Tia
www.tia-phoenixx.com/rendezvous

Here is how I view the pricing policy and how to gauge the provider's success:

First, charging higher rates doesn't necessarily mean more success in this business! there are several providers charging very high rates in Canada, but where are they? Are they staying in their base towns? Are they busy all the time? Didn't they make compromise at certain points to keep things going?

A travelling girl can always charge higher rates, but the real test if she really can charge the same rates over a long period in the same place without the need to re-locate.

When I made my last provincial tour I was fully booked before arrival in three places and nearly 60-70% booked on the remaining four places. Does that mean if I settle there, I would maintain the same volume after few weeks/months? I got a client who offered to double my rate to see me during the day time. Will the same client double my rate if I were living in the same city? So theoretically, I can during my tours increase my rates by at least 30%-50% and see a couple or three clients per day!

Also, some providers advertise for hourly rates and VIP hourly rates as marketing strategy. I had a very trustable client of mine who went to see a provider adverting for hourly rate of $300 and VIP hourly rate of $500. He selected the $300 option and did everything claimed to be in the VIP and stayed more than 90 min.

Second, charging the rate should consider the local economy. For example, an escort in Kingston charging $200 is relatively better than an escort charging $300 in Toronto given the overall all life expenses. The same applies to the power of the consumers. A client paying $200/hr in Kingston to see an escort is sharing more of his income compared to a client in Toronto.

Third, pricing after all is a provider's philosophy! Some providers want to have the upper hand in selecting their clients and some don't really bother. As you move higher in the hourly rate, you generally start to loose your power to decline clients because not too many now can afford your rates. At very high rates firing a client becomes risky and feared which could be stressful!

When I started escorting I charged 200/hr inclusive of my climax, and in less than a year I am at 270 "inclusive". I am still waiting to hit the point of equilibrium, but at the same time moving in gradual fashion.

My priority is to be able to have the upper hand in selecting my clients and to be able to have a large base of clientele in my base town without the need to travel every couple of months! And this is how I define success!

Just my thoughts on the issue.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Good start!
We have to have a good drive and positive thinking in this industry to start with.
the moment you will be able to charge the starting rate of, let's say $300 or even better $400 an hour, and people are still lining up. I personally will come and salute you in Ottawa.

Why?
Because you will be the second escort in that category who will be able to do that, besides me (when I was flat chested) in Canada

my reason:
as an escorts we can charge whatever price we want to charge, but the clients (the market) ultimately will decide whether or not the "price" is right. The moment you charge $300 or $400 an hour or even more for some escorts, you will move to "upscale market", catering the service primarily to professionals and business men. When you are still busy in this category, that is really something to celebrate!

good luck

Tia
www.tia-phoenixx.com/rendezvous

Re-read again my previous answer, I've partly answered your question.
Was i busy when i decided to be a International travelling girl?
the answer is: YES
I started in December 2005, and started travelling in September 2009, during that period of time, i already had 4 properties, the 1st one i bought after 3.5 months working in this industry.

You can ask Toban, KC, Ransalot, and other senior members who've been with me prior to my era as travelling girl. They have seen my house too.
(ah...nice memory)

Yes, there is a difference of buying power from city to city, but in general if an escort is good, she remains busy no matter she stays.
check my explanation on my blog, answer no.2: http://www.tia-phoenixx.com/node/3338

I love traveling and seeing the world, that's the reason i become a traveling girl.

and btw, i'm curious with your argument with your recent traveling trips.
If you were booked in three cities before your arrival (assuming you tell us the truth), that's a good sign.
Why don;t you move to that particular city?
Do you work full time or part time as an escort?

I'm just wondering...

But none-less Jane, I like your input in this forum...keep going...we all want to hear your answer.
And i'm sorry for being too blunt. You know me....i'm too lazy to sugar coat my answer

back to work now !


cheers
Tia

[xoxJanexox]

Re-read again my previous answer, I've partly answered your question.
Was i busy when i decided to be a International travelling girl?
the answer is: YES
I started in December 2006, and started travelling in September 2009, during that period of time, i already had 4 properties, the 1st one i bought after 3.5 months working in this industry.

You can ask Toban, KC, Ransalot, and other senior members who've been with me prior to my era as travelling girl. They have seen my house too.
(ah...nice memory)

Yes, there is a difference of buying power from city to city, but in general if an escort is good, she remains busy no matter she stays.
check my explanation on my blog, answer no.2: http://www.tia-phoenixx.com/node/3338

I love traveling and seeing the world, that's the reason i become a traveling girl.

and btw, i'm curious with your argument with your recent traveling trips.
If you were booked in three cities before your arrival (assuming you tell us the truth), that's a good sign.
Why don;t you move to that particular city?
Do you work full time or part time as an escort?

I'm just wondering...

But none-less Jane, I like your input in this forum...keep going...we all want to hear your answer.
And i'm sorry for being too blunt. You know me....i'm too lazy to sugar coat my answer

back to work now !


cheers
Tia

Tia, I actually like blunt answers more than anything in between.

You have made your point and you gauge success by the providers hourly rate and that is a reasonable stand. My answer was meant to explain that success is gauged by many variables. For example, the ability to maintain stability in one location and the ability to really select your own clients and fire them whenever you want. My comments were general and not directed to any provider in specific.

Your curiosity about my argument could be easily answered from the same passage:

When I made my last provincial tour I was fully booked before arrival in three places and nearly 60-70% booked on the remaining four places. Does that mean if I settle there, I would maintain the same volume after few weeks/months? I got a client who offered to double my rate to see me during the day time. Will the same client double my rate if I were living in the same city? So theoretically, I can during my tours increase my rates by at least 30%-50% and see a couple or three clients per day!

The argument was simply meant to say that when someone travel there is a higher demand compared to their base town. If you want to argue that your volume and demand when you are travelling is the same as when you are staying "permanently" in your base town then I should better close this discussion because it might just went beyond what could be considered reasonable!

As for your argument that a successful provider (which if i understood you correctly must be charging 300 -400 hr or higher) can be busy anywhere, again I must disagree. I challenge any provider with a rate of 300-500/hr to reside in any small city in Canada and be able to make a living. I even go further to challenge their survival in medium sized cities without resorting to frequent travelling to balance their finances. Give me an example and you have my acknowledgment!

As for your properties Tia, I really wish you all the success and you are a nice and smart person and deserve to enjoy your success, but I don't think that I need to disclose my finances to prove my point.

[Tia Phoenixx]

Tia, I actually like blunt answers more than anything in between.

You have made your point and you gauge success by the providers hourly rate and that is a reasonable stand. My answer was meant to explain that success is gauged by many variables. For example, the ability to maintain stability in one location and the ability to really select your own clients and fire them whenever you want. My comments were general and not directed to any provider in specific.

Your curiosity about my argument could be easily answered from the same passage:

When I made my last provincial tour I was fully booked before arrival in three places and nearly 60-70% booked on the remaining four places. Does that mean if I settle there, I would maintain the same volume after few weeks/months? I got a client who offered to double my rate to see me during the day time. Will the same client double my rate if I were living in the same city? So theoretically, I can during my tours increase my rates by at least 30%-50% and see a couple or three clients per day!

The argument was simply meant to say that when someone travel there is a higher demand compared to their base town. If you want to argue that your volume and demand when you are travelling is the same as when you are staying "permanently" in your base town then I should better close this discussion because it might just went beyond what could be considered reasonable!

As for your argument that a successful provider (which if i understood you correctly must be charging 300 -400 hr or higher) can be busy anywhere, again I must disagree. I challenge any provider with a rate of 300-500/hr to reside in any small city in Canada and be able to make a living. I even go further to challenge their survival in medium sized cities without resorting to frequent travelling to balance their finances. Give me an example and you have my acknowledgment!

As for your properties Tia, I really wish you all the success and you are a nice and smart person and deserve to enjoy your success, but I don't think that I need to disclose my finances to prove my point.

Let me answer the highlighted lines first. The answer is YES, and my base is in Toronto...well to be more precise, my house in North America is in Toronto.
But i'm so used to travelling, I will be bored if i stay there for more than few weeks, even probably few days

I didn't say that we should charge $300 or $400 in every city though, i said if the escort is good, she will be busy no matter she stays.
However, if the escort is extremely good, she will be busy even in the toughest market in the world: NYC, London and Los Angeles.
And btw, if we realize we are good as an escort, we won't stay in a small city. Instead, we want to take the opportunity in making millions of dollars working in the big cities.

Last but not the least, i mentioned my properties and somewhat reveal my estimated income because i want to show the world that we are not only drug addicts or a second class citizen. We need to be appreciated and escorting should be seen as a profession instead of criminality.

Anyway Jane, chill and enjoy life ok?!
And i'm glad you are not offended with my input.

You are a smart girl too hon! That's your asset.
People come to see you because they know they will have a good conversation and ultimately having a good time

Have a great weekend! Time for me to hunt some cute boys and take them to my bed LOL

[Lo-ki]

Hi

Vancouver is awesome. So many to see and have a great time.

[xoxJanexox]

Let me answer the highlighted lines first. The answer is YES, and my base is in Toronto...well to be more precise, my house in North America is in Toronto.
But i'm so used to travelling, I will be bored if i stay there for more than few weeks, even probably few days

I didn't say that we should charge $300 or $400 in every city though, i said if the escort is good, she will be busy no matter she stays.
However, if the escort is extremely good, she will be busy even in the toughest market in the world: NYC, London and Los Angeles.
And btw, if we realize we are good as an escort, we won't stay in a small city. Instead, we want to take the opportunity in making millions of dollars working in the big cities.

Last but not the least, i mentioned my properties and somewhat reveal my estimated income because i want to show the world that we are not only drug addicts or a second class citizen. We need to be appreciated and escorting should be seen as a profession instead of criminality.

Anyway Jane, chill and enjoy life ok?!
And i'm glad you are not offended with my input.

You are a smart girl too hon! That's your asset.
People come to see you because they know they will have a good conversation and ultimately having a good time

Have a great weekend! Time for me to hunt some cute boys and take them to my bed LOL

Tia,

Your are a great person and a role model for a lot of t-girls and I have a great respect for you although we never met in person.

If you hold for the proposition that you maintain the same volume when you are traveling as when you are in your base town, I believe you, but I am afraid that I am just a regular t-girl that would naturally experience a decline in my base town. This of course doesn't mean that I would have to compromise, but let's say instead of pounding five clients per day when I am traveling, I decline to a lesser volume per day!

Therefore, my comment about the pricing policy was meant to address factors such as stability and selectivity of my own clients. I am aiming for a rate where I can achieve both. There is nothing worse for me than compromising my safety and well being for extra $50 or $100. I might have misunderstood you but I thought that the hourly rate is how you gauge success. if that is not the case then I think we have no disagreement at all!

I am also a great believer of relativity! If I can make 150 K in Ottawa then I am far better than a girl in Toronto making 250 or even 300 k. With the my revenue I can buy the same property that a girl in Toronto could buy in Toronto with her savings!

I have been in London and Manchester UK before and you can't imaging how many high profile t-girls in there live in studios where they entertain their own clients because it is so fucking expensive!

I am coming to this industry with my own recipe and I chose Ottawa for a particular reason and I will do my mission!

Last, I just came out from a straight club! Lola knows where that is because we went together few weeks ago! Teased a lot of boys and left them with hard-ons!

[Tia Phoenixx]

Tia,

Your are a great person and a role model for a lot of t-girls and I have a great respect for you although we never met in person.

If you hold for the proposition that you maintain the same volume when you are traveling as when you are in your base town, I believe you, but I am afraid that I am just a regular t-girl that would naturally experience a decline in my base town. This of course doesn't mean that I would have to compromise, but let's say instead of pounding five clients per day when I am traveling, I decline to a lesser volume per day!

Therefore, my comment about the pricing policy was meant to address factors such as stability and selectivity of my own clients. I am aiming for a rate where I can achieve both. There is nothing worse for me than compromising my safety and well being for extra $50 or $100. I might have misunderstood you but I thought that the hourly rate is how you gauge success. if that is not the case then I think we have no disagreement at all!

I am also a great believer of relativity! If I can make 150 K in Ottawa then I am far better than a girl in Toronto making 250 or even 300 k. With the my revenue I can buy the same property that a girl in Toronto could buy in Toronto with her savings!

I have been in London and Manchester UK before and you can't imaging how many high profile t-girls in there live in studios where they entertain their own clients because it is so fucking expensive!

I am coming to this industry with my own recipe and I chose Ottawa for a particular reason and I will do my mission!

Last, I just came out from a straight club! Lola knows where that is because we went together few weeks ago! Teased a lot of boys and left them with hard-ons!

morning Jane and everybody!

Glad you had fun last night me too LOL

Yes, Lola is fun to be with. We had lots of fun in Istanbul last year. Tons of boys. Right Lola?

Tia

[Tia Phoenixx]

Vancouver is awesome. So many to see and have a great time.

I agree. Vancouver is awesome. It's definitely my favorite city in Canada. We might be a neighbor someday Lo-ki

[nice_eyes]

I think that Tia is very much more recession proof than the average escort. She has cultivated herself into something more resembling a "courtesan" than a simple escort.

I saw her three times when she primarily worked out of Toronto. I still have very pleasant dreams about those encounters. ;-) Also, Tia was a delight to interact with. She's extremely intelligent, engaging, and obviously gorgeous. She is also attractive/feminine enough that many men who might not otherwise seek out a t-girl would consider seeing her. However, the same can be said for quite a few t-girl escorts.....

Tia is exceptional at marketing herself. At the end of the day, this is like any business and it will always come down to marketing and branding. Those that excel at it, and still offer and excellent product, will always do better than the rest.

[LOLA_]

Yes Jane you are a really respectful and generous we were fighting for whos gonna buy drink , guys offers but I dont like accept drink because they may stay longer and talk free and we ve met this guy whos really a nice man and so rich , he took us in a different place and paid for everything asked me for a relationship and drop me back in Toronto ( oh, I am still single )
And Tia, you are so much fun and intelligent and you are from another planet , loving have fun with you ...kisses,Lol

morning Jane and everybody!

Glad you had fun last night me too LOL

Yes, Lola is fun to be with. We had lots of fun in Istanbul last year. Tons of boys. Right Lola?

Tia

[PornGuy]

I agree.
Maybe we can work on something once i decide to work on interactive porn someday when i'm semi retired.

Do you think people will like my natural and tomboy look?
I hate wearing make up....
I hope they do
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater

Yes guys love the real deal and it can sell well.

We are always looking for new girls to work with so message me any time.


PG

[Tia Phoenixx]

thanks to all!

I think that Tia is very much more recession proof than the average escort. She has cultivated herself into something more resembling a "courtesan" than a simple escort.

I saw her three times when she primarily worked out of Toronto. I still have very pleasant dreams about those encounters. ;-) Also, Tia was a delight to interact with. She's extremely intelligent, engaging, and obviously gorgeous. She is also attractive/feminine enough that many men who might not otherwise seek out a t-girl would consider seeing her. However, the same can be said for quite a few t-girl escorts.....

Tia is exceptional at marketing herself. At the end of the day, this is like any business and it will always come down to marketing and branding. Those that excel at it, and still offer and excellent product, will always do better than the rest.

ah Nice_eyes.... I'm touched you still remember our sessions...though it's been at least 3 or 4 years.

Phew...time sure passes very quickly

enjoy my facebook account if you miss me:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tia-P...10906275647702

though, i currently only have 962 fans per Aug.8 2013, but it's already been viewed by 1032 people as per today at 1.42 pm local time, and gradually has become more popular than my website.
Most viewers are lurkers, since the type of my clients are very discreet and will definitely NOT add me as their favorite on their facebook's account

I totally understand that.

As long as they still come to see me that's all matters!

cheers,
Tia

[TSd8]

I think since very few CLIENTS responded

That the TS Escort business may be in decline. Tia would not have asked the question otherwise. I think that Tia would have made more money doing something else, because of her drive to succeed. Making $200K. per year is not bad from a "service" business, but it doesn't have any passive income. You cannot make money if you are sick or injured. Many people with Tia's drive make seven figures per year and do nothing for it. Owning a manufacturing business for example.
At any rate Tia.... give me a call when accumulate over 8 figures of net worth... we can combine and have fun travelling the Globe...fucking like rabbits. But for now;

What is your game plan in this "price declining business".... based on supply & demand?

Do you have a passive income strategy?

BTW - I have noticed that the pricing has dropped dramatically in the past few months

[Tia Phoenixx]

That the TS Escort business may be in decline. Tia would not have asked the question otherwise. I think that Tia would have made more money doing something else, because of her drive to succeed. Making $200K. per year is not bad from a "service" business, but it doesn't have any passive income. You cannot make money if you are sick or injured. Many people with Tia's drive make seven figures per year and do nothing for it. Owning a manufacturing business for example.
At any rate Tia.... give me a call when accumulate over 8 figures of net worth... we can combine and have fun travelling the Globe...fucking like rabbits. But for now;

What is your game plan in this "price declining business".... based on supply & demand?

Do you have a passive income strategy?

BTW - I have noticed that the pricing has dropped dramatically in the past few months

good question!


Actually, you are not the only one who have mentioned that I will be successful as well in other business with my drive and talents, thanks.

The business is actually NOT in decline, but it is much more saturated than let's say 5 years ago thus the potential earning of each tgirl escort is most probably in decline, including me.
There is a slight decline of my income this year compared to last year. And if I compare to what I used to earn 2 or 3 years ago, it's been 30% decline. there are several reasons for that. I have mentioned it on the other board. I'm too lazy to repeat it right now.

There was a time that my potential earning is up to 500K per annum believe it or not.

Not now anymore.

So in conclusion we can conclude that the tgirl market is bigger, but since there are more and more providers in this industry, the "shared pie" for each girl is "smaller", though the pie is actually bigger.

I remember when i started my ad on shemalecanada, it's only one page of tgirl providers over there...and now....mama mia...over 15 pages I believe?

What is my strategy in this situation? LOL. I won't tell you, but of course i have some

last but not the least, "do I have a passive income strategy?"

Hell, YES!

Don't you know that i have bought one or even two properties every year for my "passive investment"?
Buying properties are excellent strategy if you buy them at the right time and place.
You just leave them that way...and the value will go UP overtime, not to mention that you will have monthly income from the tenants

Maybe someday, I will involve more into property...but i'm too busy at the moment

[ipsofacto]

Is tgirls business declining?

I am not an expert regarding that subject but I would like to bring my 2 cents since I find this topic interesting. There is no statistics related to the escort business including the tgirls for obvious reasons. Consequently we have to go with observations. This is a weak procedure but it is better than nothing. My personnal observations (as many of you said) are 1) there are more tgirls advertising on the appropriate sites now, 2) more tgirls are offering specials or cut the prices, 3) some tgirls are talking more and more about this situation, 4) more tgirls are travelling to find clients. Conclusion it looks like the business is declining. And there is nothing to do about that situation. Economy talk. You cannot fight against these rules:decrease of income, increase of unemployment, increase in the number of the escorts (sometime exactly because of poor economic situation). I always have been surprised about what is telling me a tgirl close to me about the business weaker at the end of the month. Can you imagine this? Personaly I know 3 difficult markets for escorts: Cuba, Argentina and Thailand. From my personal experience I can tell you that in Cuba the people are poor and you cannot imagine what they are ready to do to get a little money. There is so many GG running after you in the streets you can spend the night with a beautiful lady for 20$. In Argentina you can spend a few hours with a tgirl for 60$ (the value of the peso is weak and you can have 7 pesos and more for one american dollar on the blue market, so if the girl is asking for 400 pesos...). In Thailand you can spend a few hours with a beautiful ladyboy for 60$. So many ladyboys coming from poor families there. So every where economy talk. And believe me many cheap fellows will take advantage of the situation and pay as less as they can.