Rob Ford

[Shyla Wild]

Leaders guilty of corruption (Senators) or involvement directly or indirectly in criminal activity(Nixon-Watergate) are impeached by votes of Congress, Parliament, Legislatures, or City Councils, which are made up of elected representatives of the people, who I'm sure are flooding them with calls, emails, etc to act in the interests of the integrity of the city, country, or institution and not to let a corrupt leader continue to rule or have power to make decisions. Rob Ford's use of crack at some party is minor really compared to his direct association with known drug dealers and gang members. If your a leader doing cocaine, crack, etc you get some flunky to go discreetly and get you some. This is Fing ridiculous! Throw him out NOW! The man is disgracing and making an international joke and mockery of both City Council & the City of Toronto. The people who do not want to see the drug trade flourish and directly and indirectly destroy the lives of thousands of it's citizens and children sure as hell do NOT want a man representing their cities, who is seen smoking crack with drug dealers and gang members!

Ford has been found neither guilty of corruption or any criminal activity.

You cry for impeachment, then scream to kick him out. Impeachment is still due process. Did he face impeachment? Bill Clinton faced impeachment, beat it and finished with the highest voter approval rate ever.

[TSFantasia]

Ford has been found neither guilty of corruption or any criminal activity.

You cry for impeachment, then scream to kick him out. Impeachment is still due process. Did he face impeachment? Bill Clinton faced impeachment, beat it and finished with the highest voter approval rate ever.

Yes because the votes against impeachment were greater than those for by Congress (sorry the Senate did not pass Congress vote to impeach**). If the majority vote in Council is to remove his powers as Mayor and ask for his resignation then that is DEMOCRACY! Sorry I know there are functioning alcoholics and drug addicts in positions of power and influence everywhere. In politics people get asked to step down from MP and MLA positions over their indiscretions & scandals by their prospective assemblies and parties in the interests of the party or government. Perception and public approval/disapproval is everything in politics. How does Rob Ford stand up and give speeches supporting the Police forces crack down on drugs? Go to schools and tell people to "Say No to Drugs?" Or just say "Don't get addicted or caught when you do!" ? And convicted or not many people get suspended with pay from their duties PENDING the OUTCOME" of a criminal investigation or court proceedings against the individual. **Bill Clinton, Democrat, was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on articles charging perjury (specifically, lying to a federal grand jury) by a 228–206 vote, and obstruction of justice by a 221–212 vote. The House rejected other articles: One was a count of perjury in a civil deposition in Paula Jones' sexual harassment lawsuit against Clinton (by a 205–229 vote). The second article was one that accused Clinton of abuse of power by a 48–285 vote. The Senate vote to remove him from office fell short of the necessary 2/3, voting 45-55 to remove him on obstruction of justice and 50-50 on perjury.

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[toban]

Democracy IS alive and working exactly as it should!

No democracy hasn't failed if they actually have the power to strip him of some/all of his powers.
If they have the power, then they must have this power through a legislation made by the representatives of people as well. Plain and simple.

Yes, democracy is alive and working exactly as it should! Jane, that is exactly what some do not seem to understand about this whole matter!

When we elect a city councilor:

- we are giving him the power to represent us, each and every one of us the voting public, who did actually give him such authority at the ballot box on election day!

- So, we sent him to the city hall in our place and give him the authority to act as we ourselves would act. His vote becomes our vote and theoretically then, that councilor is us sitting in council chamber!

Further, the Mayor elect of a city is only to lead the full council in coming to decisions related to the business of the city as a whole. The Mayor is not, by himself, the final authority of the council but merely the one delegated to “organize” or lead that council in making appropriate choices. His role is not to insist the council agree to his visions of what is best for the city for in the end, he has but one vote.

Now, he may have been elected by promising to work towards a particular goal (currently, gravy reduction and, subways) but once again he has but one vote in any decisions relating to any matter!

[xoxJanexox]

Yes, democracy is alive and working exactly as it should! Jane, that is exactly what some do not seem to understand about this whole matter!

When we elect a city councilor:

- we are giving him the power to represent us, each and every one of us the voting public, who did actually give him such authority at the ballot box on election day!

- So, we sent him to the city hall in our place and give him the authority to act as we ourselves would act. His vote becomes our vote and theoretically then, that councilor is us sitting in council chamber!

Further, the Mayor elect of a city is only to lead the full council in coming to decisions related to the business of the city as a whole. The Mayor is not, by himself, the final authority of the council but merely the one delegated to ?organize? or lead that council in making appropriate choices. His role is not to insist the council agree to his visions of what is best for the city for in the end, he has but one vote.

Now, he may have been elected by promising to work towards a particular goal (currently, gravy reduction and, subways) but once again he has but one vote in any decisions relating to any matter!

Muah Muah Muah
You must have been a teacher of some sort. Such a wonderful and simple illustration.

[Raging Bob]

Shyla, you are too much, LOL. And BTW, he looks like he does have a lot to eat at home.

Good one Ray!!!

[mgittes]

I have been loosely following this situation as it amuses me to watch people judge this man. I really don't understand what the big deal is. He is a leader not a priest...why should what he does on his personal life count? Let's play a game. Since everyone seems so bent out of shape over this; here is the game. It's time to pick a world leader. Everyone must vote. Here are the 3 choices.

Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians and consult with astrologists. He's had two Mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and has never had any extramarital affairs.

Who would you pick?

Based on this most people will pick Candidate C. Here is who these candidates really are:

Candidate A
Candidate B
Candidate C

The answers have been hyperlinked.

Enjoy!

The flaw in this comparison is that you imply that it is ceteris paribus (all things held equal). Candidate C IS the right choice based on the information given.

[reggie]

I'm just curious what if in the next election Ford wins again , should council once again remove him ?

If so why bother to have any elections for Mayor, Premier or Prime Minister ?

[Rockheart]

I'm just curious what if in the next election Ford wins again , should council once again remove him ?

If so why bother to have any elections for Mayor, Premier or Prime Minister ?

This is what I am saying.
I don't condone Ford's personal life, but there is no proof it affected his work.
There some colourful characters like this where I work, and they do a fine job.
I don't care what they do in their personal life.

You can probably take down anyone this way if get his friends and colleagues to film him in private.
And especially if you can get the Police to film him for you.

It has all the makings of a Coup.
When this happens to a country the Army will link up with an opposition group to hopefully peacefully remove the countries government.
In this case the police chief is like the army and the Mayor is like the President or Prime Minister,
The fact is the unions and left wings hate his policy.

The whole thing seems highly Un-democratic.
I can't see how all these old Grannies on the Council really represent the electorate of Toronto.
The unions are probably strongly involved here too.

That old finance Minister of Canada from Winnipeg, slept with his 15 year old babysitter and he never had anything happen to him.

[xoxJanexox]

I'm just curious what if in the next election Ford wins again , should council once again remove him ?

If so why bother to have any elections for Mayor, Premier or Prime Minister ?

The council did not remove him, they stripped him of some of his powers. Just a clarification. They already acknowledged that they have no authority to remove him. Only the premier could do this.

An election is not a guarantee that a Mayor, Premier of Prim Minister will stay in power regardless of what they do. Impeachments are well know in democratic societies to remove someone from office.

Since the council had no power to remove him, they resorted to what is within their authority. There must be some legislation giving them this power. And as you might know any legislation is made through a democratic process!

If they are acting with no power, Yes, it s is a coup and Ford can resort to the court, but if they have the power then it is NOT a coup. Plain and simple.

[Rockheart]

The council did not remove him, they stripped him of some of his powers. Just a clarification. They already acknowledged that they have no authority to remove him. Only the premier could do this.

An election is not a guarantee that a Mayor, Premier of Prime Minister will stay in power regardless of what they do. Impeachments are well know in democratic societies to remove someone from office.

Since the council had no power to remove him, they resorted to what is within their authority. There must be some legislation giving them this power. And as you might know any legislation is made through a democratic process!

If they are acting with no power, Yes, it s is a coup and Ford can resort to the court, but if they have the power then it is NOT a coup. Plain and simple.

Technically they are able to do it.
However many councillors abstained from the final vote because they felt it was improper.

There is no specific legislation other then the laws that give council members equal votes.
I don't think it is actually proper that they can change the duties of the Mayor.
They basically used budgeting power to shift resources away from Ford.
They should have called an election if they could, instead of this crap.

If this holds everyone will just kick everyone out of office for questionable reasons.
As I said this just doesn't follow things that have happened in the past, in politics.

They had the police chief tailing ford personally almost, and they could find not concrete evidence to arrest him.
I'm sure the whole plan was to nail Ford with a major offense, then they could easily remove him.

As I say is Ford smoking a little crack, worse than a Federal Minister sleeping with his 15 year old babysitter?
I don't think so, but if you don't have a whole movement against you, then your sins are not that important to anyone.

If Ford does get voted in again, they will just take his powers away for 4 years?
To me this is totally wrong and they should not have this power.

[Locomotion]

Rob Ford: The Movie

Yesss ... Chris Farley as Rob Ford! That's what I'm talking' 'bout!!

Let's dig him up and get this sucker made!

[Guest]

That's funny! I laughed hard all the way through that.

Thanks for the laugh
xoxo

[Rockheart]

That's funny! I laughed hard all the way through that.

Thanks for the laugh
xoxo

I think that is just a mix of various scenes from Tommy Boy and Black Sheep.
They were almost exactly the same movie but no one cared because Chris Farley was so popular.

[Locomotion]

I think that is just a mix of various scenes from Tommy Boy and Black Sheep.
They were almost exactly the same movie but no one cared because Chris Farley was so popular.

No one can do a frat fall like Chris. A great comedian who died way too young.

Shrek would have been such a different movie if it was played by Chris as planned. The Shrek character was even designed based on Chris Farley, you can see his face in there...

[reggie]

It took me a while to decipher his article but I think Conrad Black's opinion of Rob Ford is word for word (no pun intended) exactly what Grag's been stating.
I'd also have to agree with them, Mr. Ford may have made some stupid personal decisions but there's no proof he has failed to or is incapable of doing the job he was elected to.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...n-of-rob-ford/