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  • Shaming Men Attracted to Trans Women & Its Harmful Effects

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    SEPTEMBER 12, 2013


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    Guess what? Many men are attracted to women, and trans women are amongst these women.
    We, as a society, have not created a space for men to openly express their desire to be with trans women. Instead, we shame men who have this desire, from the boyfriends, cheaters and “chasers” to the “trade,” clients, and pornography admirers. We tell men to keep their attraction to trans women secret, to limit it to the internet, frame it as a passing fetish or transaction. In effect, we’re telling trans women that they are only deserving of secret interactions with men, further demeaning and stigmatizing trans women.

    I’ve stood witness to many so-called scandals, mostly published on gossip blogs, where passing interactions with trans women spawn hundreds of headlines, particularly for a man with fame and social capital. Thousands of words have been dedicated to analyzing whether such and such famous man is now suspect, merely because he took a photo with a fan who happened to be a trans woman. This questioning has led many well-known men to adamantly defend their heterosexuality and has tarnished the reputation and careers of others. It sounds like silliness on the surface, but often times when gossip blogs are the public’s only exposure to trans women, it spreads misinformation, validates stereotypes and causes irreparable damage.
    When a man can be shamed merely for interacting with a trans women – whether it be through a photograph, a sex tape or correspondences — what does this say about how society views trans women? More important, what does this do to trans women?

    This pervasive ideology says that trans women are shameful, that trans women are not worthy of being seen and that trans women must remain a secret — invisible and disposable. If a man dares to be seen with a trans woman, he will likely lose social capital so he must adamantly deny, vehemently demean, trash and/or exterminate the woman in question. He must do this to maintain his standing in our patriarchal society. For a man to be associated with a trans women, in effect, is to say that he is no longer a “real” man (as if such a thing exists) because he sleeps with “fake” women (as if such a thing exists).

    RELATED VIDEO: MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry quotes this piece in her “Letter of Week”

    The comments and conversations surrounding hip-hop DJ Mister Cee’s sex scandal-turned-resignationhas been appalling, and has led me to this essay, which isn’t about him soliciting sex from someone he perceived as a trans woman. The Mister Cee “scandal” sheds light on society’s ignorance, similarly exhibited when Chris Brown, Chingy and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson took photos with trans women; similarly exhibited when folks gender-policed Joseline Hernandez to the point where she Tweeted a nude photo to prove her cis-ness; similarly exhibited when Eddie Murphy, LL Cool J and a list of other powerful men were accused of being “caught” seeking trans women.
    This anti-trans woman ideology is harmful, misogynistic and pervasive and travels way beyond the comments section of gossip blogs, and as Sylvia Rivera once said, “I will no longer put up with this shit.”

    I am a trans woman. My sisters are trans women. We are not secrets. We are not shameful. We are worthy of respect, desire, and love. As there are many kinds of women, there are many kinds of men, and many men desire many kinds of women, trans women are amongst these women. And let’s be clear: Trans women are women.

    The shame that society attaches to these men, specifically attacking their sexuality and shaming their attraction, directly affects trans women. It affects the way we look at ourselves. It amplifies our body-image issues, our self-esteem, our sense of possibility, of daring for greatness, of aiming for something or somewhere greater. If a young trans woman believes that the only way she can share intimate space with a man is through secret hookups, bootycalls or transaction, she will be led to engage in risky sexual behaviors that make her more vulnerable to criminalization, disease and violence; she will be led to coddle a man who takes out his frustrations about his sexuality on her with his fists; she will be led to question whether she’s worthy enough to protect herself with a condom when a man tells her he loves her; she will be led to believe that she is not worthy of being seen, that being seen heightens her risk of violence therefore she must hide who she is at all costs in order to survive.

    When I was a girl finding myself, I was met with similar questions and believed I would never find someone to love me. I had learned that I was unworthy and undeserving, and it took me years to release myself from the shame and stigma society had forced upon me as a young woman. A man’s desire for my body, my brain, my brilliance and my existence is not a laughing matter because I am not a joke.

    RELATED VIDEO: I appear with Laverne Cox on Huffpost Live to discuss loving trans women

    When I met my boyfriend Aaron and disclosed that I am trans, he did not question his sexuality. He recognized me as a woman, and my being trans did not negate my womanhood. My relationship with Aaron is a rarity, though. Don’t get me wrong, I see our loving partnership as a blessing, but not in the same way others view it. Our relationship is marveled at largely because most people do not believe that a man like Aaron should have to “compromise” his heteronormative social standing by being with a trans woman or a woman who is not “real.”

    It is rare for an openly trans woman – no matter how “passable” or attractive she is – to have a man who openly loves her, who has an unabashed desire to be seen with her, who proudly stands beside her — despite the stigma and other people’s curiosities and inappropriate questions. Those questions regarding Aaron’s sexuality are constant and fraught with assumptions that this essay can’t begin to unpack, and for a man less secure it can be difficult navigating these questions, especially if you also perceive the women you’re attracted to as shameful, as less-than-human objects you must keep secret at all costs.

    It’s important that we begin truly accepting trans women as who they are, women. We are not objects to have secret sex with, to discard and to laugh at on the radio or the gossip blogosphere. We are worthy of being seen and are not dirty or shameful. Until we begin checking how we delegitimize the identities, bodies and existence of trans women and stigmatize the men who yearn to be with us, we will continue to marginalize our sisters, pushing them further into socially-sanctioned invisibility, left in the dark to fend for themselves with men who don’t have the space to explore, define and embrace their attraction to various women.
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  • #2
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    • #3
      Yes but this article does not seem to touch on the biggest issue I have found.

      This is that TS women do not appreciate men that are attracted to them.
      They say no "Tranny Chasers" and "Straight Guys Only" .
      If you don't want guys that like you what the hell do you expect?

      If you are pre-op and guys like your cock, who the heck do you think will be attracted to you.
      If they like pussy they are not going to be interested in you, so why the stupid rules.

      If you want men to like you for who you are then if you have a cock they are liking you for who you are.
      Your cock is part of you. They cannot appreciated the pussy you do not have.

      I fully understand that some are not happy there were not born genetic women but that is life.
      If you cannot accept the people that are attracted to you for who you are, then you are never going to find anyone.

      The fact is straight guys that don't like TS will never like pre-ops.
      The chances that they will like a post-op is pretty low too.

      Why can you not accept the guys who like you?
      How is that supposed straight guy better than a guy who really loves you and is attracted to you?
      What are you really proving?

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      • #4
        Shyla, great post - well said and I heartily agree.

        Crag, fair points.
        I'm not anti-semantic - words are some of my best friends!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Crag Rockheart View Post
          Yes but this article does not seem to touch on the biggest issue I have found.

          This is that TS women do not appreciate men that are attracted to them.
          They say no "Tranny Chasers" and "Straight Guys Only" .
          If you don't want guys that like you what the hell do you expect?

          If you are pre-op and guys like your cock, who the heck do you think will be attracted to you.
          If they like pussy they are not going to be interested in you, so why the stupid rules.

          If you want men to like you for who you are then if you have a cock they are liking you for who you are.
          Your cock is part of you. They cannot appreciated the pussy you do not have.

          I fully understand that some are not happy there were not born genetic women but that is life.
          If you cannot accept the people that are attracted to you for who you are, then you are never going to find anyone.

          The fact is straight guys that don't like TS will never like pre-ops.
          The chances that they will like a post-op is pretty low too.

          Why can you not accept the guys who like you?
          How is that supposed straight guy better than a guy who really loves you and is attracted to you?
          What are you really proving?


          Nicely written Crag! This always angered me.
          Clearly there are a lot of double standards and hurdles to overcome. Both from society's part and TS women alike.
          You are the steps you take.
          You're every move you make.

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          • #6
            I have yet to see the straight guy who is not interested in a t-girl.
            It is only a matter of finding their match of passable t-girls.

            The main reason for confusion in this subject is the cock!
            Some t-girls shame their admirers because they are intrigued by its existence, And some in the society shame t-girls admirers for the same reason.

            Everyone forget that such men are attracted only to women +/- cock and not cock +/- women. The difference is drastic!

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            • #7
              Keep educating

              First I want to apologize to anyone that I might offend due to some of my comments below. I speak truthfully and from my heart which sometimes is miles ahead of my empty noggin, gets me into trouble, and usually leads to a open mouth insert foot situation. I do not feel the same way about tgirls now as I did in my military days.

              I think I understand Shyla's article and can only speak from my own experience which is minimal. Many of you here have seen my rumblings about the tgirl I fell for. She had trouble accepting/understanding the fact that I liked her very much. She asked me point blank "I'm tg and an escort, how can you like me?" In my relationship with her and because she was pre-op some of the questions I often asked myself were:

              1. WTF am I doing?,
              2. How would my son react if he knew,
              3. How would my very large family react if they knew,
              4. What will people think of me? Will they think/say I'm gay?,
              5. Would I dare be seen with her in restaurants, bars, movies?,
              6. How could I possibly fall for a tg!

              These are only a few of the questions I often asked myself. These questions also riddled me with guilt leading to more questions: Was she good enough for me to have sex with, to be friends with, to love, but only in private...never be seen together in public? My answer to that is yes, I would be fine with her in public. However, as a society viewing this relationship I felt I could not. Society still a long way in catching up and has to learn, to understand and to accept that it's simply not about male and female, homosexual or straight anymore. I remember while still in the Canadian Forces, Kingston ON, mid 90's, they paid for their 1st gender reassignment surgery for a forces member and literally everyone, including me, saying openly "what is this outfit coming to, this is nuts!! Throw the freaks out!", "I'll never work with one of those freaks!" Whether they were good soldiers and could do their jobs didn't matter. Thankfully I don't feel this way anymore. This fully supports Shyla's thoughts and article.

              On the other hand I've seen where girls call clients pigs, fags and such. Although I'm very secure in my sexuality as heterosexual I was told by a tg that if I visit tg's for sex and have any interaction with her cock that I am not straight, I'm at least bi. This is not only incorrect about me but probably incorrect about many others, which supports Craig's points. I love tg but I'll never give up pussy. Personally, I feel that we are now seeing transgender topics with children on TV shows, ie. Dr Phil for example, and as we learn and accept ourselves for who we are there will be enough love to go around for all of us without judgement.

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              • #8
                Ditto

                Originally posted by Gypsy1955 View Post
                First I want to apologize to anyone that I might offend due to some of my comments below. I speak truthfully and from my heart which sometimes is miles ahead of my empty noggin, gets me into trouble, and usually leads to a open mouth insert foot situation. I do not feel the same way about tgirls now as I did in my military days.

                I think I understand Shyla's article and can only speak from my own experience which is minimal. Many of you here have seen my rumblings about the tgirl I fell for. She had trouble accepting/understanding the fact that I liked her very much. She asked me point blank "I'm tg and an escort, how can you like me?" In my relationship with her and because she was pre-op some of the questions I often asked myself were:

                1. WTF am I doing?,
                2. How would my son react if he knew,
                3. How would my very large family react if they knew,
                4. What will people think of me? Will they think/say I'm gay?,
                5. Would I dare be seen with her in restaurants, bars, movies?,
                6. How could I possibly fall for a tg!

                These are only a few of the questions I often asked myself. These questions also riddled me with guilt leading to more questions: Was she good enough for me to have sex with, to be friends with, to love, but only in private...never be seen together in public? My answer to that is yes, I would be fine with her in public. However, as a society viewing this relationship I felt I could not. Society still a long way in catching up and has to learn, to understand and to accept that it's simply not about male and female, homosexual or straight anymore. I remember while still in the Canadian Forces, Kingston ON, mid 90's, they paid for their 1st gender reassignment surgery for a forces member and literally everyone, including me, saying openly "what is this outfit coming to, this is nuts!! Throw the freaks out!", "I'll never work with one of those freaks!" Whether they were good soldiers and could do their jobs didn't matter. Thankfully I don't feel this way anymore. This fully supports Shyla's thoughts and article.

                On the other hand I've seen where girls call clients pigs, fags and such. Although I'm very secure in my sexuality as heterosexual I was told by a tg that if I visit tg's for sex and have any interaction with her cock that I am not straight, I'm at least bi. This is not only incorrect about me but probably incorrect about many others, which supports Craig's points. I love tg but I'll never give up pussy. Personally, I feel that we are now seeing transgender topics with children on TV shows, ie. Dr Phil for example, and as we learn and accept ourselves for who we are there will be enough love to go around for all of us without judgement.
                1. Grasp foot firmly with both hands
                2. Remove from mouth
                3. Well put, excellent points.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gypsy1955 View Post

                  On the other hand I've seen where girls call clients pigs, fags and such. Although I'm very secure in my sexuality as heterosexual I was told by a tg that if I visit tg's for sex and have any interaction with her cock that I am not straight, I'm at least bi. This is not only incorrect about me but probably incorrect about many others, which supports Craig's points. I love tg but I'll never give up pussy. Personally, I feel that we are now seeing transgender topics with children on TV shows, ie. Dr Phil for example, and as we learn and accept ourselves for who we are there will be enough love to go around for all of us without judgement.

                  That is exactly how it goes down.
                  You want to touch their cock, you are gay.

                  If you say to them "that you are gay to because you have a cock and sleep with men", they will kill you.
                  So you don't say it.

                  However, what gives them the right to say it.
                  The truth is, it is all labels.
                  If you can label my sexuality, then I should have the right to label yours too.

                  People who live in glass houses.....


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                  • #10
                    Trans Attracted=Good ; Tranny Chasers=Bad

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_4Od6hgs_Q


                    Don't know about every other t-girl but trans attracted guys are a good thing for me as a pre-op trans woman. Means they are attracted to me as a woman and have a curiosity and sexual attraction to what I currently have for genitals. Whether there are many of these who are actually willing to overcome their own insecurities and social paranoia/stigma and date and begin a relationship with a trans woman is another question entirely.

                    What I hear most from guys talking to me in TG/TS groups, forums etc is how if they were closer they would be proud to date me. I then ask why are they not dating trans women closer to where they live (Chicago, New York,Toronto , Montreal, etc. etc.) where there are lots that would be happy to date a sincere man. The excuses ensue bottom line they will not date someone where they live! Then the predictable request comes "Hun do you have Skype?" Followed by my reply "Yes do you have Paypal "

                    The bad connotation of "tranny chasers" is probably what most t-girls react to. Experience tells us that they only want in private "discreet" sexual hookups to satisfy their fetish for "trannies". They have no interest in anything beyond that. They definitely do not view us as women or for that matter even really persons with thoughts, feelings and needs for human contact and socialization beyond or before and after the act of sex.
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                    • #11
                      The main reason for confusion in this subject is the cock!
                      Some t-girls shame their admirers because they are intrigued by its existence, And some in the society shame t-girls admirers for the same reason.

                      Everyone forget that such men are attracted only to women +/- cock and not cock +/- women. The difference is drastic!
                      Well said Miss Jane. If it was just about the penis I would be gay. Dudes don't float my boat.

                      I am a man who is attracted to women and as such I agree with Janet in her article when she says:
                      I am a trans woman. My sisters are trans women. We are not secrets. We are not shameful. We are worthy of respect, desire, and love. As there are many kinds of women, there are many kinds of men, and many men desire many kinds of women, trans women are amongst these women. And let?s be clear: Trans women are women.
                      The harmful distinctions get perpetuated with the negative labels and attitudes, and this occurs on both sides of the equation.

                      I am not a tranny chaser or a fetishist (at least in this regard ) or gay. The treatment I give to trans girls is no different then with genetic girls. (On different occasions I have been seen in public in my small city with both, happily walking hand in hand.) If some ignorant or insecure or intolerant people want to label me negatively I could give a rats ass, but if you are trans girl admirer and you get negative labels from some in the trans community itself...this seems very counter productive to their own cause.

                      Good thread Shyla.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by northernguy222 View Post
                        Well said Miss Jane. If it was just about the penis I would be gay. Dudes don't float my boat.

                        I am a man who is attracted to women and as such I agree with Janet in her article when she says:

                        The harmful distinctions get perpetuated with the negative labels and attitudes, and this occurs on both sides of the equation.

                        I am not a tranny chaser or a fetishist (at least in this regard ) or gay. The treatment I give to trans girls is no different then with genetic girls. (On different occasions I have been seen in public in my small city with both, happily walking hand in hand.) If some ignorant or insecure or intolerant people want to label me negatively I could give a rats ass, but if you are trans girl admirer and you get negative labels from some in the trans community itself...this seems very counter productive to their own cause.

                        Good thread Shyla.
                        So if you are not a Tranny Chaser then who is?

                        You go after tgirls sometimes, as do I .
                        I wouldn't say I chase them per se.

                        What is the difference between a Tgirl Admirer and a Tranny Chaser.
                        I say nothing.

                        If a tgirl doesn't like Tranny Chasers, then she doesn't like guys who like tgirls in my mind.

                        To me a Tranny Chaser is those skinny jerks with big cocks that try to bang all the TS but don't date them.
                        These are the guys the tgirls say they don't like but still cannot stay away from.
                        Meanwhile they call all the guys with more honorable intentions, Tranny Chasers.
                        Possibly if they are not attracted to you, then you fall into the Tranny Chaser category.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Crag Rockheart View Post
                          So if you are not a Tranny Chaser then who is?

                          You go after tgirls sometimes, as do I .
                          I wouldn't say I chase them per se.

                          What is the difference between a Tgirl Admirer and a Tranny Chaser.
                          I say nothing.

                          If a tgirl doesn't like Tranny Chasers, then she doesn't like guys who like tgirls in my mind.

                          To me a Tranny Chaser is those skinny jerks with big cocks that try to bang all the TS but don't date them.
                          These are the guys the tgirls say they don't like but still cannot stay away from.
                          Meanwhile they call all the guys with more honorable intentions, Tranny Chasers.
                          Possibly if they are not attracted to you, then you fall into the Tranny Chaser category.

                          I hereby declare Crag as my official spokesman. I think I will have to start paying him or something. I don't wanna seem like a kiss ass, but really you're saying everything that's in my mind.
                          You are the steps you take.
                          You're every move you make.

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                          • #14
                            Equals

                            I also see tg's as women. Total equals as members of society and human beings. As such when my friend came to town I would pick her up at the airport, going into the airport to meet her, hug her and carrying her luggage for her. Yes, in front of all of those people some of whom openly stare. When she was leaving I drove her back to the airport...we went out for dinners together and shopping. I help her out occasionally in a time of need. These are things I would do for any other friend, family or someone I love.

                            Insecurities...it's not always that simple just to blame on insecurities. There could be many other factors involved. Example...lack of knowledge, understanding, open mind. Social paranoia and stigma is very real...it takes incredible strength, balls and intestinal fortitude to challenge it, deal with and live it. Anyone who doesn't want it in their life I don't see as being insecure.

                            We all choose the road we follow. Whether it be policing, administration, PR, taxi driver, grocery clerk, whatever. But...don't bite the hand that feeds you. Unless you want it and like it hummmmm...ooh yeah baby!! I got confused when a tg told I was as least bi because I touch your junk. TG claim to be a woman born with male genitalia so I'm either bi or gay...it begs me to ask then...what are are you, really...male or female? I can tell you my pre-op friend is 100% woman and when I pleasure her we both know I'm straight. I'm attracted to the person that the junk is attached to...if she has jewels hanging below fine. My friend asked me if I would love her once she has a vagina. I said honey, I will love you more!

                            I've met if not in person, some incredibly beautiful and intelligent tg women that I admire and have great respect for. If I weren't already in a relationship, deep inside I "KNOW" without a doubt that I would be able to love, honour and cherish a tg woman and have her as my life partner. But don't confuse me with "you can touch me, I'm a woman." Afterwards say "you're bi-sexual cause you sucked my cock!"
                            Last edited by Gypsy1955; 01-22-2014, 02:56 PM.

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                            • #15
                              In an essence you guys are right. Both sides do not make this easier. Men are shamed by homophobic society and most trans-women do not help the situation.

                              Last year, a few of us sat down with writer/interviewer Peter Barton to discuss this.

                              http://sexlifecanada.ca/canada/natio...ction-part-one

                              http://www.sexlifecanada.ca/canada/n...ction-part-two

                              I think a lot of the backlash that comes from this views, also stems from escorting. Men being bashed for their attraction to Trans-woman often came from escorts preying on clients fears. Chasers exist in every form, if not TS, then it's women. Men are dogs and love to chase things. Nothing wrong with that assuming the right approach is made. There is plenty of men who go about their chasing with style, class and panache. There are other that...well struggle with the social aspect.

                              This is truly a situation of Chicken or egg....who threw the first stone? Was it society and their negative view on trans-women attraction, or was it the ts calling men faggots? My guess it that it was the trans reacting to society that caused this. Either way it makes no difference. More and more trans-women are coming into the mainstream. Adjustments have to be made concerning the views on trans women. We are not fake, or a secret, or a joke. What we do and go through is very serious, and effects us each one of us dearly. A lot of times, ts just chose the wrong words in a fight. A "Chaser" is nothing more than scum. And scum exists everywhere...

                              Trans-women are often judged by our transition. Any famous TS that has ever been interviewed has been asked about it. Katie Couric recently got schooled on live TV when she tried to pull this stuff. Her interview was branded as offensive, which it is. Congrats to Laverne Cox and Carman Carrera for hijacking her show and voicing their opinions. Having a woman ask me about my privates will invoke a reaction from me which will sound like this, "When was your last yeast infection?". Just like it's none of my business, it's none of hers.

                              http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...a-trans-people

                              Ms. Couric and her condescending tone from the first 5 seconds teliing Carrera she is beautiful....no kidding she's beautiful. She going to be a Victoria Secret model.
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