Shaming Men Attracted to Trans Women & Its Harmful Effects

[Guest]

Just an idea as to why men are STILL shamed for liking t-girls.

Hi all,

Well, i tend to think that all the grief t-girls and their admirers have to deal with has much to do with the power of religious dogma.
We've been damned right from the start, in the Bible.
'Cross dressers" and "homosexuals' existed long before the Bible was canonized AFTER Jesus was crucified.

And we all should know just how powerful the business for religion is, right? Religion is one of those businesses that affects laws.
Let's look at some passages from the Torah, The Old and new Testament from the Catholic Bible for some examples of how feminine 'men' and 'homosexuals' have been regarded by teachings which have affected the human consciousness.

And i will suggest that this is why we're so demonized by the dumb parrots on the street, living next door to us and who employ the general population. It's deeply ingrained into our society.

True, things are slowly changing, and peoples' opinions are being challenged by maverick t-girls who are demanding equal rights - and winning them. T-Girl power!
Still, it's slow progress as society, as a whole, are really a dumb bunch of haters who cling to the dogma that basically hates us. And i don't want need to hear about the poor tranny in Rome who only gained recognition and respect AFTER she was murdered by the citizens of Rome BECAUSE of this hateful dogma.

In other cutures and religions it's pretty much the same intolerance - except for Buddhism - they are more tolerant and accepting of transsexuals!

Anyway, folks you can find it online, or you just open your Bibles to:
Genesis chapter 18, verse 16, and read until chapter 19, verse 38 to learn the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
This is the Biblical story that damns us throughout all time. And it just happens to be in the very first book of the frikken Bible.
It's too long to copy and paste but it basically tells the story of how the "Lord" destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and any righteous men that were in the cities.
As a result, all the good (straight) men were killed alongside the bad "girly men" and the so-called "homosexuals" who had sex with those girly men.

And the destruction of the two "evil" cities caused the daughters of Lot to get their dad drunk and then sleep with him in order to conceive his children. There were no more men were in the area.
(All because of those "God-damned" girly-boys the "evil" guys who admired them.)

Now, on one hand, i'd like to believe that God is perfect and does not create abominations, but go tell the Vatican that the Bible needs to be re-written so that we (transgenders) can belong in God's great plan. Good luck! The homosexuals there are too busy sucking each other off and committing usury to listen to any reason (that was, sort of, a "hardy har har" statement, by the way).
I mean, God has to get His financial cut of the pie, too, right? Of course. The Vatican has vaults of gold bars to invest in dirty business while the world starves of hunger - sounds fair! The Pope does do his thing for the poor, we see it on television - he sees them dying in the street and he places is hand on their weary heads, and then he looks up to the sky and recites, in Latin, what he's going to eat for lunch and then he walks away, waving at the adoring .

Then, he says to the television camera, after eating lunch on gold plates, how the world has to pull together and help one another. Amen!

But on the other hand, around that same as Genesis, the Book of Enoch was written and it tells of the Watchers who took female human sex partners and created "children" which can be said to NOT be that of God's creation.
So, perhaps, and it's just a long shot, we (TGs) are from that very distant, imperfect lineage somehow, which differs from God's creation plan, which is man and woman only - with nothing like TGs in between.
Maybe.

Still, however, on yet the other hand (as i borrow a volunteer's hand to show you), if humans were genetically modified from apes by the Sumerian culture, as some people believe, then perhaps errors could have been made somewhere in that process of creation and maybe that's how we came about being.
Maybe the "creator God" who we have been taught to call, God, was of that ancient Sumerian race.
Many people are all buzzing about the planet called, Nibiru, which is the believed origin and home planet of the Sumerian race - so maybe "God" is coming back on that planet which is supposedly heading straight for us - they all say.

Who's to say, what is what and who is who - right?

So, the following Biblical passages refer to the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, often, and thus, reinforces what has been taught to society for centuries.
Maybe the following Biblical passages are why men are hated for liking trannys even to this day by the idiots in society who make all of our personal lives just a little bit tougher.


Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Deuteronomy 22:5
“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Ezekiel 16:49
Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.
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Matthew 11:23-24
And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you.”

Romans 1:26-27
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Romans 2:1
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Colossians 3:5
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

1 Timothy 1:9-11
Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

Hebrews 13:4
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

♪ Ahhhhhhh, ♪ mennn.

Babe,

[Rockheart]

I hereby declare Crag as my official spokesman. I think I will have to start paying him or something. I don't wanna seem like a kiss ass, but really you're saying everything that's in my mind.

Just stuff some money in the donation box on the way out, and that should do it.

[TSFantasia]

♪ Ahhhhhhh, ♪ mennn.

Babe,

Thanks for the Bible lesson! Geeze now you will have all the trans attracted men scurrying to the confessional to confess their sins!
"So my son you say you crave cock do you?"
Religious people always conveniently condemn the sins that they are not currently involved in and excuse the ones they are .

[Gypsy1955]

Hummm...

In an essence you guys are right. Both sides do not make this easier. Men are shamed by homophobic society and most trans-women do not help the situation.

Last year, a few of us sat down with writer/interviewer Peter Barton to discuss this.

http://sexlifecanada.ca/canada/natio...ction-part-one

http://www.sexlifecanada.ca/canada/n...ction-part-two

I think a lot of the backlash that comes from this views, also stems from escorting. Men being bashed for their attraction to Trans-woman often came from escorts preying on clients fears. Chasers exist in every form, if not TS, then it's women. Men are dogs and love to chase things. Nothing wrong with that assuming the right approach is made. There is plenty of men who go about their chasing with style, class and panache. There are other that...well struggle with the social aspect.

This is truly a situation of Chicken or egg....who threw the first stone? Was it society and their negative view on trans-women attraction, or was it the ts calling men faggots? My guess it that it was the trans reacting to society that caused this. Either way it makes no difference. More and more trans-women are coming into the mainstream. Adjustments have to be made concerning the views on trans women. We are not fake, or a secret, or a joke. What we do and go through is very serious, and effects us each one of us dearly. A lot of times, ts just chose the wrong words in a fight. A "Chaser" is nothing more than scum. And scum exists everywhere...

Trans-women are often judged by our transition. Any famous TS that has ever been interviewed has been asked about it. Katie Couric recently got schooled on live TV when she tried to pull this stuff. Her interview was branded as offensive, which it is. Congrats to Laverne Cox and Carman Carrera for hijacking her show and voicing their opinions. Having a woman ask me about my privates will invoke a reaction from me which will sound like this, "When was your last yeast infection?". Just like it's none of my business, it's none of hers.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...a-trans-people

Ms. Couric and her condescending tone from the first 5 seconds teliing Carrera she is beautiful....no kidding she's beautiful. She going to be a Victoria Secret model.

I for one and I'm certain there are many others, am not shamed by a homophobic society. I don't even like the word "homophobic." I think it's one of the most overused, misunderstood, labelling, word out there. Don't want to dwell on that. How many escorts actually know or care about men's fears, enough to manipulate and prey on them!? How many men can't establish that they're being preyed upon? How many men pay for a visit and without a word you won't see them ever again because they seen the game, they've played it before. Is the escort simply greedy and only after the cash? The clients approach shouldn't matter, it's a business, a cash business transaction, just be happy to see their backside going out the door! If you don't like them don't entertain them again.

Fact is men are 2 headed sexual beings and one head (usually the smaller one) is much more demanding than the other. We see something, it turns us on, it excites us...BOING!!! It wants it! We don't even know why! To say men are dogs and like to chase things is also wrong. That is something we'd normally expect to hear from a butch lesbian. Yes, testosterone drives us, fucks around with our brains, makes us chase and do things we wouldn't normally do. Is it simply mans nature to chase whether it be TS, women or other men, (whatever turns yer crank) Some straight men allow other men give them head just cause it feels good and they want to cum.

Chicken or egg, throwing the first stone. Society is slowly being educated in North America about TS by bringing into view young children who are being recognized as TS at a very young age. Education is the key to acceptance and understanding. There are lost causes out there who will never change and we can only hope their children won't have the same point of view. Look at homosexuality, race, etc. will it ever end! Some people will stay in the dark ages.

But...if you want to work as an escort...for whatever reason...should you throw stones? Should men be called dogs, pigs, fags, scum? Or just keep it to yourself, or talk about it with your friends and continue to collect the cash? As an escort you may need them more than they need you.

I've seen the videos. It will take smart women like yourself, Fantasia, Babe, Laverne and Carmen who are going to help educate. Maybe even convert some of these "chasers". But name calling and judging won't do it, especially as an escort. How Laverne and Carmen handled it is a fine example of that.

That's just my opinion.

[Guest]

Hi Fantasia,
LOL

I highly doubt that any devoutly religious men would be in a t-girl forum as they generally are far too prudish and hatefully judgmental about getting chummy with people who they consider to be "abominations of nature" or BIG TIME sinners, unless they intend to try to save us from ourselves.

Devoutly religious men would never have anything to do with t-girls as it would make them feel as...uhmm... "on the highway straight to hell" as we are - in their "holy roller" opinions.

If there are any religious men in the forums looking for a fling or whatever, they are already well-versed in Bible study.
Nothing i've said would guilt them away - as they already have their self proclaimed pious consciousness, and their great fears of eternal damnation to be deterred by my anti-church opinions.

Quoting passages from the Bible that directly addresses the reasons why the majority of society does not approve of us, in general, and especially disapproves of "straight" men who admire us, as this thread title states, is hardly a Bible lesson.

Much love,
Babe,
xoxo

[TSFantasia]

I for one and I'm certain there are many others, am not shamed by a homophobic society. I don't even like the word "homophobic." I think it's one of the most overused, misunderstood, labelling, word out there. Don't want to dwell on that. How many escorts actually know or care about men's fears, enough to manipulate and prey on them!? How many men can't establish that they're being preyed upon? How many men pay for a visit and without a word you won't see them ever again because they seen the game, they've played it before. Is the escort simply greedy and only after the cash? The clients approach shouldn't matter, it's a business, a cash business transaction, just be happy to see their backside going out the door! If you don't like them don't entertain them again.

Fact is men are 2 headed sexual beings and one head (usually the smaller one) is much more demanding than the other. We see something, it turns us on, it excites us...BOING!!! It wants it! We don't even know why! To say men are dogs and like to chase things is also wrong. That is something we'd normally expect to hear from a butch lesbian. Yes, testosterone drives us, fucks around with our brains, makes us chase and do things we wouldn't normally do. Is it simply mans nature to chase whether it be TS, women or other men, (whatever turns yer crank) Some straight men allow other men give them head just cause it feels good and they want to cum.

Chicken or egg, throwing the first stone. Society is slowly being educated in North America about TS by bringing into view young children who are being recognized as TS at a very young age. Education is the key to acceptance and understanding. There are lost causes out there who will never change and we can only hope their children won't have the same point of view. Look at homosexuality, race, etc. will it ever end! Some people will stay in the dark ages.

But...if you want to work as an escort...for whatever reason...should you throw stones? Should men be called dogs, pigs, fags, scum? Or just keep it to yourself, or talk about it with your friends and continue to collect the cash? As an escort you may need them more than they need you.

I've seen the videos. It will take smart women like yourself, Fantasia, Babe, Laverne and Carmen who are going to help educate. Maybe even convert some of these "chasers". But name calling and judging won't do it, especially as an escort. How Laverne and Carmen handled it is a fine example of that.

That's just my opinion.

You are right in that we are all wired a certain way and that's what makes us tick. Societies taboos and restrictions at times go against our natural inclinations sometimes for our own good and societies. Other times it's jus a case of religious zeal having too much influence over politics and law making as Babe implied. Prohibition tried to shame society into becoming a nation of sobriety and making people look like criminals for having a few drinks at the end of the day or week. Pornography was hard to come by for years but now its available for anyone at the click of a mouse button or Smartphone connection.

Society is slow to accept change that threatens the status quo of expected norms. But the times have changed greatly as gay marriage becomes legal and accepted in more countries and people are given the true freedom to choose who they love and who they want to spend the rest of their life with or until divorce do us part . But the gay & lesbian community fought long and hard for those rights and recognition. Transgender rights lag somewhat behind but are progressing as far as the individuals rights to choose the life and gender that they feel best suits who they are.

However, while gay & lesbian lovers and couples fight hand in hand for their rights trans women & men are handicapped with a one -sided battle as the majority of trans attracted men are content to keep their attraction in the closet and a secret from family, friends, co-workers, and the public. Trans women & men want the same types of relationships as heterosexual and gay couples enjoy. But as long as our potential partners are afraid to come out of the closet about their attraction and preference to trans women, trans women & men will continue to face frustration and unfulfillment in this area of their life.

I'm not sure how this will change as coming out as gay or trans is a very definitive decision people make in their life direction and how they want others to see them. Trans attracted men do not want to have to make any decision or any "coming out" statement about their sexuality or personal preferences.

[Shyla Wild]

I for one and I'm certain there are many others, am not shamed by a homophobic society. I don't even like the word "homophobic." I think it's one of the most overused, misunderstood, labelling, word out there. Don't want to dwell on that. How many escorts actually know or care about men's fears, enough to manipulate and prey on them!? How many men can't establish that they're being preyed upon? How many men pay for a visit and without a word you won't see them ever again because they seen the game, they've played it before. Is the escort simply greedy and only after the cash? The clients approach shouldn't matter, it's a business, a cash business transaction, just be happy to see their backside going out the door! If you don't like them don't entertain them again.

Fact is men are 2 headed sexual beings and one head (usually the smaller one) is much more demanding than the other. We see something, it turns us on, it excites us...BOING!!! It wants it! We don't even know why! To say men are dogs and like to chase things is also wrong. That is something we'd normally expect to hear from a butch lesbian. Yes, testosterone drives us, fucks around with our brains, makes us chase and do things we wouldn't normally do. Is it simply mans nature to chase whether it be TS, women or other men, (whatever turns yer crank) Some straight men allow other men give them head just cause it feels good and they want to cum.

Chicken or egg, throwing the first stone. Society is slowly being educated in North America about TS by bringing into view young children who are being recognized as TS at a very young age. Education is the key to acceptance and understanding. There are lost causes out there who will never change and we can only hope their children won't have the same point of view. Look at homosexuality, race, etc. will it ever end! Some people will stay in the dark ages.

But...if you want to work as an escort...for whatever reason...should you throw stones? Should men be called dogs, pigs, fags, scum? Or just keep it to yourself, or talk about it with your friends and continue to collect the cash? As an escort you may need them more than they need you.

I've seen the videos. It will take smart women like yourself, Fantasia, Babe, Laverne and Carmen who are going to help educate. Maybe even convert some of these "chasers". But name calling and judging won't do it, especially as an escort. How Laverne and Carmen handled it is a fine example of that.

That's just my opinion.

I don't mean it like that. It came off wrong. I did not mean to call men dogs. What I meant to say, some men are dogs and they give a bad rep to admirers. Just like not all of us call our admirers chasers...

[Gypsy1955]

I know :-)

I don't mean it like that. It came off wrong. I did not mean to call men dogs. What I meant to say, some men are dogs and they give a bad rep to admirers. Just like not all of us call our admirers chasers...

And you are 100% correct. I've seen a lot of dogs...pigs! But I'm not an escort and I'm not an educator to a cause so I don't have to be careful of how I choose se my words. That's all.

[TSFantasia]

You are right in that we are all wired a certain way and that's what makes us tick. Societies taboos and restrictions at times go against our natural inclinations sometimes for our own good and societies. Other times it's jus a case of religious zeal having too much influence over politics and law making as Babe implied. Prohibition tried to shame society into becoming a nation of sobriety and making people look like criminals for having a few drinks at the end of the day or week. Pornography was hard to come by for years but now its available for anyone at the click of a mouse button or Smartphone connection.

Society is slow to accept change that threatens the status quo of expected norms. But the times have changed greatly as gay marriage becomes legal and accepted in more countries and people are given the true freedom to choose who they love and who they want to spend the rest of their life with or until divorce do us part . But the gay & lesbian community fought long and hard for those rights and recognition. Transgender rights lag somewhat behind but are progressing as far as the individuals rights to choose the life and gender that they feel best suits who they are.

However, while gay & lesbian lovers and couples fight hand in hand for their rights trans women & men are handicapped with a one -sided battle as the majority of trans attracted men are content to keep their attraction in the closet and a secret from family, friends, co-workers, and the public. Trans women & men want the same types of relationships as heterosexual and gay couples enjoy. But as long as our potential partners are afraid to come out of the closet about their attraction and preference to trans women, trans women & men will continue to face frustration and unfulfillment in this area of their life.

I'm not sure how this will change as coming out as gay or trans is a very definitive decision people make in their life direction and how they want others to see them. Trans attracted men do not want to have to make any decision or any "coming out" statement about their sexuality or personal preferences.

And you are 100% correct. I've seen a lot of dogs...pigs! But I'm not an escort and I'm not an educator to a cause so I don't have to be careful of how I choose se my words. That's all.

How does being an escort come into this discussion? Here comes the double standard again. Men can state their views as the clients and as men in general and everything one of us says get's immediately dragged back to "well as an escort". If any women genetic or trans has 100 experiences with men whether on dating sites, meeting at bars or clubs, or any other place and if 90% of those experiences fall into the men are dogs/pigs/chasers category then that is what we are going to express.

If I say that (better qualify that is an IF not I am) I'm not talking as an escort or about my clients. My clients are great they have done more to help me along the road to my transition and surgery costs than any chaser on a tranny site looking for a BJ or discreet sex ever did. Do we have to preface every statement with "As a trans woman and unrelated to my escort business I think or feel...." ?

[Gypsy1955]

Escort discussion

How does being an escort come into this discussion? Here comes the double standard again. Men can state their views as the clients and as men in general and everything one of us says get's immediately dragged back to "well as an escort". If any women genetic or trans has 100 experiences with men whether on dating sites, meeting at bars or clubs, or any other place and if 90% of those experiences fall into the men are dogs/pigs/chasers category then that is what we are going to express.

If I say that (better qualify that is an IF not I am) I'm not talking as an escort or about my clients. My clients are great they have done more to help me along the road to my transition and surgery costs than any chaser on a tranny site looking for a BJ or discreet sex ever did. Do we have to preface every statement with "As a trans woman and unrelated to my escort business I think or feel...." ?

I don't see how being an escort won't come into the discussion as it did very early in the thread. TS are part of society that we speak of and also indulge in labelling, name calling and judging. I was told by an escort that I'm bi, nobody knows me better than ME! I've nothing to prove to anyone, I'm quite confident in my heterosexuality. How does being an escort enter...some escorts are judging men who like TS women same as the rest of society they are looking for acceptance from. As for me personally I tried to stay away from the escort thing. Throughout, most of my comments I believe I've shown that I not only agree with Shyla's thread...I understand what she's saying. In this thread I went as far as delving into my ongoing relationship with a TS. I can't see her often, she lives thousands of km's away. I'm not in it simply for sex...I'm in it because as a person, as a young woman, she's beautiful throughout. That's why I haven't been seeing any other TS's.

[TSFantasia]

DaNile the lifeflow and sustaining force of "Trans"-ylvania

I don't see how being an escort won't come into the discussion as it did very early in the thread. TS are part of society that we speak of and also indulge in labelling, name calling and judging. I was told by an escort that I'm bi, nobody knows me better than ME! I've nothing to prove to anyone, I'm quite confident in my heterosexuality. How does being an escort enter...some escorts are judging men who like TS women same as the rest of society they are looking for acceptance from. As for me personally I tried to stay away from the escort thing. Throughout, most of my comments I believe I've shown that I not only agree with Shyla's thread...I understand what she's saying. In this thread I went as far as delving into my ongoing relationship with a TS. I can't see her often, she lives thousands of km's away. I'm not in it simply for sex...I'm in it because as a person, as a young woman, she's beautiful throughout. That's why I haven't been seeing any other TS's.

I wish I could build a bunch of power dams along the river of de-Nile that runs through "trans"- ylvania I'm sure I could power several large cities with the juice . Trans attraction is definitely a confusing issue for most. Label yourself whatever you like your a heterosexual who fantasizes about sucking on huge cocks...gotcha...I learn something new everyday

And as a trans woman and NOT related to being an escort or any reference to my clients....my personal experience in dating trans attracted men is that they are 90% scared of their own shadows, in the closet, chasers And I would say I have had a 100 separate experiences (not clients) to back that up. I just finished a short dating spree with a guy who claimed to be only bi-curious, which turns out he is experienced bisexual, which turned out that he is FULL ON closet gay and that he has had an ongoing sexual relationship with a gay male for the past year, which wrecked his last relationship. I told him just come out and be gay and be with who you want to be! But he is still playing hide and seek because "my family and friends....blah blah blah"!

[Gypsy1955]

I can't walk in your shoes

I wish I could build a bunch of power dams along the river of de-Nile that runs through "trans"- ylvania I'm sure I could power several large cities with the juice . Trans attraction is definitely a confusing issue for most. Label yourself whatever you like your a heterosexual who fantasizes about sucking on huge cocks...gotcha...I learn something new everyday

And as a trans woman and NOT related to being an escort or any reference to my clients....my personal experience in dating trans attracted men is that they are 90% scared of their own shadows, in the closet, chasers And I would say I have had a 100 separate experiences (not clients) to back that up. I just finished a short dating spree with a guy who claimed to be only bi-curious, which turns out he is experienced bisexual, which turned out that he is FULL ON closet gay and that he has had an ongoing sexual relationship with a gay male for the past year, which wrecked his last relationship. I told him just come out and be gay and be with who you want to be! But he is still playing hide and seek because "my family and friends....blah blah blah"!

Good one, funny thing is I don't fantasize about sucking cocks, huge or small. I've also talked about licking TS Abum as she fucks a woman to enhance her orgasm...with me not being the cock receiver. I do fantasize about a beautiful woman ( TS included) a beautiful body and providing great pleasure. As I don't get involved in penal/anal play my options to provide pleasure to a TS are diminished. What I did to my friend was what I wanted my partner to do to me. Weird! Not only that, I can say that I never enjoyed giving head to my TS friend which is now a non-sexual friendship because of that. What I do find is that I have to defend my sexuality quite often and it usually comes from TS's.

For whatever reason I wanted to experiment, so I did, and quite possibly it may never happen again despite all I've said in several threads. I figured I'm getting up there in years, go for it! My venturing about wasn't about bi-curious, I've never felt that way ever or maybe I would have sought out a male, or went to a gay bar of which I've done neither nor will I ever. Why? Because I'm not interested. My interest in TS had nothing to do with discovering myself or coming out of the closet. So after that I will say I'm sorry for your bad experience with the gay dude. The dirty prick!!!

I'm not 100% clueless because I do have 2 gay uncles, 1 gay aunt and a gay niece. I fuckin hate my uncles because they're flamers, but my aunt and niece are beautiful and wonderful people. My neighbours in the next house are a gay male couple and we socialize as friends quite often, food, drinks, BBQ...they also are wonderful people. They love us because we don't judge and are not homophobic. I feel fortunate to be their friend.

I could never walk a mile in a TS shoes as she lives it every day of your life. I've only known one TS for 9 months now, I've learned a lot in those 9 months. All I can do is try to be smart about it and understand the issues. TS's want to lead a normal life, have a loving relationship, like any other person...I'm converted from one who said "freaks" (sorry) to understanding and accepting. Even if it's one person at a time.

[Crossover1]

Yes but this article does not seem to touch on the biggest issue I have found.

This is that TS women do not appreciate men that are attracted to them.
They say no "Tranny Chasers" and "Straight Guys Only" .
If you don't want guys that like you what the hell do you expect?

If you are pre-op and guys like your cock, who the heck do you think will be attracted to you.
If they like pussy they are not going to be interested in you, so why the stupid rules.

If you want men to like you for who you are then if you have a cock they are liking you for who you are.
Your cock is part of you. They cannot appreciated the pussy you do not have.

I fully understand that some are not happy there were not born genetic women but that is life.
If you cannot accept the people that are attracted to you for who you are, then you are never going to find anyone.

The fact is straight guys that don't like TS will never like pre-ops.
The chances that they will like a post-op is pretty low too.

Why can you not accept the guys who like you?
How is that supposed straight guy better than a guy who really loves you and is attracted to you?
What are you really proving?

Very true. It always amazes me how much shame tgirls circulate back to the men who desire them.

[Crossover1]

I wish I could build a bunch of power dams along the river of de-Nile that runs through "trans"- ylvania I'm sure I could power several large cities with the juice . Trans attraction is definitely a confusing issue for most. Label yourself whatever you like your a heterosexual who fantasizes about sucking on huge cocks...gotcha...I learn something new everyday

And as a trans woman and NOT related to being an escort or any reference to my clients....my personal experience in dating trans attracted men is that they are 90% scared of their own shadows, in the closet, chasers And I would say I have had a 100 separate experiences (not clients) to back that up. I just finished a short dating spree with a guy who claimed to be only bi-curious, which turns out he is experienced bisexual, which turned out that he is FULL ON closet gay and that he has had an ongoing sexual relationship with a gay male for the past year, which wrecked his last relationship. I told him just come out and be gay and be with who you want to be! But he is still playing hide and seek because "my family and friends....blah blah blah"!

Yea this is just so tiresome. Some of you know that I do massage, and recently I had a CD come and visit me who was not at all as pictured. Totally masculine gay male. Not a hint of feminine anywhere to be found.

So being the accepting and comfortable fellow I am I gave him a deep therapeutic and sensual massage, including deep work on this prostate, cock and balls. He struggled to contain his lust. Now was I turned on? Only because he was, but without the feminine touches, it just doesn't do it for me. Simple.

He was shocked at the contra-dick-shun and after we chatted. I told him "I have no hangups, and once you have no hangups, you're only into what feels good, sans shame. I have no interest in men or masculinity, except as something to be idolized from a distance. But do I want to fuck it? Nope. Can I massage you and make you feel incredibly erotic? Of course. It's called being a pro."

Once you can experience yourself without definitions or silly limitations, you can be free. Ahhhhhhhh.

[TSFantasia]

Living in the Twilight Zone

Back to the original post it is truly bizarre that at a time when gay men & women can easily be seen in most cities walking together, holding hands, kissing and now having public state sponsored wedding ceremonies that this stigma exists at all for trans women.

Who is really looking twice at a man & a woman out and about in public at a restaurant, bar,club, theatre, etc. etc, to check to see if one of them is trans or not?? Assuming a reasonable level of attractiveness an passability in their gender.

95% of this "stigma" exists only in the fear and paranoia ridden mind of trans attracted men. Professional athletes have begun coming out about their preferences and lifestyle choices and most find HUGE public and team support and not the ridicule that they feared. Trans attracted men need to realize that jock-talk, locker room hazing and banter and coffee time talk at their male dominated workplaces are not really how everyone thinks and feels. It is macho posturing old boys club stuff.

I'm sure many trans women feel they are living in the twilight zone as how can so many men find them that attractive and desirable and yet they cannot have normal relationships like everyone else in the hetero and gay world does!