Question for all pre op tgirls

[candyhilton]

Hi there
Alot of people want to know (and have asked me time and time again)... if you view yourself as a woman, and want the world to view you as women, then why do you all keep your dicks?
Since most of u ladies are pre op, who better to ask!

Ok, so post op tgirls go all the way because they feel they were born in the wrong body. (aka gender dysmorphia)
So if you truly have gender dysmorphia, you would not want to keep your dick (a psychiatrist confirmed that), right?
It's like an unfinished job. Like pre op tgirls live as women... they go on hormones... they get their faces done... they get their boobs done... and then don't finish the job?? Its like painting a house, and then quitting at 75% done.

I would love to know, so I can tell people this each time they ask me!

note: This question was asked to me by many people, this is not just me bringing this up out of the blue.

this is my opinion...
My personal opinion on why pre op tgirls want to keep their original packaging, is because it furthers their prostitution careers (because that's what pretend straight guys want, and if u hook solely and nothing else, then u need to give the client what they want at the end of the day or they will take their business elsewhere from what I've seen).
Like if u have 100 pretend straight guys in a room with tgirls, 99% of them want the tgirls with dicks.
Thats what I've seen 1st hand.

[Kisa]

When i said my story to my gender therapist, that i want keep my cock and moreover i love it, she said that I'm non-op transgender. We still were fighting with my gender dysphoria even we easily found that am girl in my brain/soul tho...

there is pre-op who are going to do SRS (they might hate or not their cocks but still going to get rid of it)
and post -op respectively who has done SRS.

It's not like 70% unfinished house it's still beautiful house just without say basement. ^^

[TSFantasia]

Hi there
Alot of people want to know (and have asked me time and time again)... if you view yourself as a woman, and want the world to view you as women, then why do you all keep your dicks?
Since most of u ladies are pre op, who better to ask!

Ok, so post op tgirls go all the way because they feel they were born in the wrong body. (aka gender dysmorphia)
So if you truly have gender dysmorphia, you would not want to keep your dick (a psychiatrist confirmed that), right?
It's like an unfinished job. Like pre op tgirls live as women... they go on hormones... they get their faces done... they get their boobs done... and then don't finish the job?? Its like painting a house, and then quitting at 75% done.

I would love to know, so I can tell people this each time they ask me!

note: This question was asked to me by many people, this is not just me bringing this up out of the blue.

this is my opinion...
My personal opinion on why pre op tgirls want to keep their original packaging, is because it furthers their prostitution careers (because that's what pretend straight guys want, and if u hook solely and nothing else, then u need to give the client what they want at the end of the day or they will take their business elsewhere from what I've seen).
Like if u have 100 pretend straight guys in a room with tgirls, 99% of them want the tgirls with dicks.
Thats what I've seen 1st hand.

If a girl's sole income is her escort/porn career, which in most cases it is after all whose going to work for $10-15 hr in retail/service industry when you can make as much with 2 appts a week? Then you are probably exactly right as there is little to no demand for post-op t-girls in escorting and porn as post-op transsexuals. So even if some started out with the intention of complete SRS and financing their transition and SRS through their escorting they become accustomed to the lifestyle and income. And with no other training/career skills they are not going to cut off their noses to spite their faces....er that's pretty close just further down south

And as for your "pretend straight guys" comment I've been laughing since I read that yesterday! But that's a brick wall we both know that!
Tell a guy in denial that his obsessing and drooling over t-girl cock 24/7 may make him anything less than 100% hetero and watch the mental gymnastics begin Olympic class! LOL. I don't real care one way or the other as long as they put their money on the night stand before they take their clothes off. They can call themselves little green men from Mars for all I care.

[Alexis]

Well..

I'm not doing the bottom..

Primarily.. because no doctor can guarantee me a fully functional vagina that can handle 7-8" and is guaranteed to give me orgasms as intense as those that I have right now..

A number of the girls I know that are post op aren't able to cum.. at all..

So if I was 18-20 I'd consider it.. but I'm not..

At this point in my life I can't see giving up something so wonderful for something that doesn't work..

There's no way a guy with a 9-10" dick could fuck a fake pussy deep.. still have to be an anal slut.. lol..

[candyhilton]

Interesting view Mia, I never heard of that term before, so it's cool to see your view on it.

thanks for chiming in Alexis. I didnt know post op girls had a inch limit of how much they could take... NOW THATS DEPRESSING! Not being able to to take all that long yummy thick cock.

and I agree Fantasia,
once the girls see all the $$ their making from being pre ops, I doubt they even care to complete their transformation.
I have called them pretend straight guys to their face from time to time, and they look and and say "baby I'm straight" and I'm like "girl please... who are u kidding?"
ANYWAYS...

I'm all about finding the humor in situations (as long as it's as nobody's expense), but yes, pretend straight guys LOVE LOVE LOVE them some trannies.
I have placed the sexual orientation of men in 4 category for many years now, here it is again...

1. real straight guys... only like 1 category... real genetic girls
A real straight guy would never dream of hooking up with a tgirl (no ifs or butts about it). Real straight men would not book a post op tgirl (knowingly), and if they do, they need to come clean with who they are and accept that they are in category #2, which is...

2. pretend straight guys... only like 2 categories... real girls and any form of trannies (this includes pre op tgirls, post op tgirls, drag queens)

3. Bi guys... like all 3 categories... genetic girls, any form of tranny's, and men

4. gay guys... obviously only like 1 category... men

[Shyla Wild]

1. real straight guys... only like 1 category... real genetic girls
A real straight guy would never dream of hooking up with a tgirl (no ifs or butts about it). Real straight men would not book a post op tgirl (knowingly), and if they do, they need to come clean with who they are and accept that they are in category #2, which is...

2. pretend straight guys... only like 2 categories... real girls and any form of trannies (this includes pre op tgirls, post op tgirls, drag queens)

3. Bi guys... like all 3 categories... genetic girls, any form of tranny's, and men

4. gay guys... obviously only like 1 category... men

I see gay and straight like black and white. If black is straight meaning they are turned off by all same sex activity, and white is gay which means they are turned off by all straight activity, then it's very easy to see that most of us are just a different shade of grey, which is something in the middle.

[candyhilton]

thats a very interviewing view of it Shyla! I never looked at it that way and I totally get it and agree 100%

[VanessaBell]

Hi there
Alot of people want to know (and have asked me time and time again)... if you view yourself as a woman, and want the world to view you as women, then why do you all keep your dicks?
Since most of u ladies are pre op, who better to ask!

Ok, so post op tgirls go all the way because they feel they were born in the wrong body. (aka gender dysmorphia)
So if you truly have gender dysmorphia, you would not want to keep your dick (a psychiatrist confirmed that), right?
It's like an unfinished job. Like pre op tgirls live as women... they go on hormones... they get their faces done... they get their boobs done... and then don't finish the job?? Its like painting a house, and then quitting at 75% done.

I would love to know, so I can tell people this each time they ask me!

note: This question was asked to me by many people, this is not just me bringing this up out of the blue.

this is my opinion...
My personal opinion on why pre op tgirls want to keep their original packaging, is because it furthers their prostitution careers (because that's what pretend straight guys want, and if u hook solely and nothing else, then u need to give the client what they want at the end of the day or they will take their business elsewhere from what I've seen).
Like if u have 100 pretend straight guys in a room with tgirls, 99% of them want the tgirls with dicks.
Thats what I've seen 1st hand.

I keep mine because I simply view it as female genitalia. I'm female, and it's a part of my body, so that's the conclusion I come to. Gender dysphoria is not a static set of criteria -- there is a considerable amount of variation. I would rather have a vagina, but technology isn't currently advanced enough to give me the results that I want, ie. a uterus, etc. It also wouldn't significantly affect my life enough to justify dropping 20k, as I have zero interest in relationships.

I would disagree with your "pretend straight guy" argument for essentially the same reasons, but just out of curiosity, don't you find that reference of yours a bit self-demeaning?

[xoxJanexox]

Exactly!

I keep mine because I simply view it as female genitalia. I'm female, and it's a part of my body, so that's the conclusion I come to. Gender dysphoria is not a static set of criteria -- there is a considerable amount of variation. I would rather have a vagina, but technology isn't currently advanced enough to give me the results that I want, ie. a uterus, etc. It also wouldn't significantly affect my life enough to justify dropping 20k, as I have zero interest in relationships.

I would disagree with your "pretend straight guy" argument for essentially the same reasons, but just out of curiosity, don't you find that reference of yours a bit self-demeaning?

Exactly! If they were "pretending straight guys" then t-girls are simply pretending women!

I share your views about SRS and would add that it will be something obsolete in the future except in two situations:

- tgirls who can't genuinely overcome the physical presence of "previous" male part.
- areas where SRS is pre-requisite to be recognized legally as female.

[candyhilton]

No, I dont find my terms self demeaning (get a sense of humour).

And a dick is not female genitalia. Tell that to your psychiatrist (every tgirl has one who is guiding you through your transition) and see what they say.
(they will prob look at you with a blank stare on their face).

And in Canada you can get your pussy done for free (paid for by the government) if you truly have gender dysmorphia. I know of many girls who have all had the surgery done here for free. Some escort, some don't.

[Crystalsopen]

i live in the us so its more complex for me

If I could snap my fingers and have a healthy normal female body, I would. Yes I want to get my downstairs done. But on the long list of stuff I want, a vagina is not the close to most important and it is the second most expensive (I live in the US and I do not have the best insurance, so I would have to pay for it myself). Thus I won't be doing it anytime soon.

[VanessaBell]

No, I dont find my terms self demeaning (get a sense of humour).

And a dick is not female genitalia. Tell that to your psychiatrist (every tgirl has one who is guiding you through your transition) and see what they say.
(they will prob look at you with a blank stare on their face).

And in Canada you can get your pussy done for free (paid for by the government) if you truly have gender dysmorphia. I know of many girls who have all had the surgery done here for free. Some escort, some don't.

Although I can't be the only one noticing the incredible amount of irony in your comment, I'm not entirely sure it's an issue of humor. If I were to make the same statement, I would essentially be undermining my entire identity, nevermind the sexualities of the vast majority of those who are attracted to us (which, falsely, you earlier state can never be straight males) -- which is why I asked for clarity on the matter, as how I see myself is apparently quite different from how you see yourself. As for the issue of genitalia -- that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but just as in the case with my own that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone agrees with it. I transitioned a very long time ago, so I'm long past the point of having a psychologist, but I did present my ideas on the matter at the time, and they were still positively interpreted. On the contrary, I feel that any psychologist who has your mentioned reaction toward their patients may not be particularly wonderful at their job. Just because somebody doesn't immediately jump on the surgery bandwagon doesn't mean that their transition is somehow invalid, which is essentially what you're implying about most of the girls here. There is nothing "untrue" about any dysphoria that I have felt, nor that of any other. Lastly, I'm aware that surgery can be covered here, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I want to go to any of the surgeons in this country. For any surgery, I feel that choosing the best result far outweighs the prospect of choosing the best deal.

[xoxJanexox]

Although I can't be the only one noticing the incredible amount of irony in your comment, I'm not entirely sure it's an issue of humor. If I were to make the same statement, I would essentially be undermining my entire identity, nevermind the sexualities of the vast majority of those who are attracted to us (which, falsely, you earlier state can never be straight males) -- which is why I asked for clarity on the matter, as how I see myself is apparently quite different from how you see yourself. As for the issue of genitalia -- that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but just as in the case with my own that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone agrees with it. I transitioned a very long time ago, so I'm long past the point of having a psychologist, but I did present my ideas on the matter at the time, and they were still positively interpreted. On the contrary, I feel that any psychologist who has your mentioned reaction toward their patients may not be particularly wonderful at their job. Just because somebody doesn't immediately jump on the surgery bandwagon doesn't mean that their transition is somehow invalid, which is essentially what you're implying about most of the girls here. There is nothing "untrue" about any dysphoria that I have felt, nor that of any other. Lastly, I'm aware that surgery can be covered here, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I want to go to any of the surgeons in this country. For any surgery, I feel that choosing the best result far outweighs the prospect of choosing the best deal.

You utter wisdom!

[Franklinzed]

Although I can't be the only one noticing the incredible amount of irony in your comment, I'm not entirely sure it's an issue of humor. If I were to make the same statement, I would essentially be undermining my entire identity, nevermind the sexualities of the vast majority of those who are attracted to us (which, falsely, you earlier state can never be straight males) -- which is why I asked for clarity on the matter, as how I see myself is apparently quite different from how you see yourself. As for the issue of genitalia -- that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but just as in the case with my own that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone agrees with it. I transitioned a very long time ago, so I'm long past the point of having a psychologist, but I did present my ideas on the matter at the time, and they were still positively interpreted. On the contrary, I feel that any psychologist who has your mentioned reaction toward their patients may not be particularly wonderful at their job. Just because somebody doesn't immediately jump on the surgery bandwagon doesn't mean that their transition is somehow invalid, which is essentially what you're implying about most of the girls here. There is nothing "untrue" about any dysphoria that I have felt, nor that of any other. Lastly, I'm aware that surgery can be covered here, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I want to go to any of the surgeons in this country. For any surgery, I feel that choosing the best result far outweighs the prospect of choosing the best deal.

Well said!

[TSFantasia]

Interesting view Mia, I never heard of that term before, so it's cool to see your view on it.

thanks for chiming in Alexis. I didnt know post op girls had a inch limit of how much they could take... NOW THATS DEPRESSING! Not being able to to take all that long yummy thick cock.

and I agree Fantasia,
once the girls see all the $$ their making from being pre ops, I doubt they even care to complete their transformation.
I have called them pretend straight guys to their face from time to time, and they look and and say "baby I'm straight" and I'm like "girl please... who are u kidding?"
ANYWAYS...

I'm all about finding the humor in situations (as long as it's as nobody's expense), but yes, pretend straight guys LOVE LOVE LOVE them some trannies.
I have placed the sexual orientation of men in 4 category for many years now, here it is again...

1. real straight guys... only like 1 category... real genetic girls
A real straight guy would never dream of hooking up with a tgirl (no ifs or butts about it). Real straight men would not book a post op tgirl (knowingly), and if they do, they need to come clean with who they are and accept that they are in category #2, which is...

2. pretend straight guys... only like 2 categories... real girls and any form of trannies (this includes pre op tgirls, post op tgirls, drag queens)

3. Bi guys... like all 3 categories... genetic girls, any form of tranny's, and men

4. gay guys... obviously only like 1 category... men

I pretty much agree with this and with Shyla that there are the shades of grey or as I prefer multi-coloured rainbow shades in between. Are straight hetero guys attracted to an attractive, passable TG/TS/TV? Absolutely! Will 99% of them immediately lose interest in the same once they discover she has male genitals still attached? That's a BIG 10-4! If a trans woman dates this way hoping the guy will see what a wonderful woman and personality they have that they won't care when the panties come off is in for a lot of disappointment, rejection and maybe the odd serious beating!

Guys have to have this other element in their sexual nature to still desire you and especially be interested in sex with you after they discover what your genitalia are. Call it bi-curious, bisexual, trans attracted whatever if it's not there any trans woman is wasting her time.
That there are lots of trans attracted men in the general population is a fact. That their main attraction is the cock or the novelty/fetish of a cock on someone who looks vey female/feminine is also well at least a general observation. They say they see you as a woman but they won't date you as a woman, won't be seen in public with you (unless it's in a different city and preferably province or state than they live in) won't introduce you as their girlfriend to family or friends. This only happens because of denial, paranoia, and fear over being "labelled" or identified as anything other than 100% straight hetero. The guys who come out about the fact that their preference is for trans women don't have that problem and do date and form relationships with trans women. But they are still in the miniscule minority of trans attracted men.

I keep mine because I simply view it as female genitalia. I'm female, and it's a part of my body, so that's the conclusion I come to. Gender dysphoria is not a static set of criteria -- there is a considerable amount of variation. I would rather have a vagina, but technology isn't currently advanced enough to give me the results that I want, ie. a uterus, etc. It also wouldn't significantly affect my life enough to justify dropping 20k, as I have zero interest in relationships.

I would disagree with your "pretend straight guy" argument for essentially the same reasons, but just out of curiosity, don't you find that reference of yours a bit self-demeaning?

You have no interest or you have already given up in despair & disgust? This is definitely not normal the need for human closeness in relationships is a basic human need. If I say a guy is a "tranny chaser" or a "pretend straight guy" (guy in denial about his sexuality) who is obsessed and seeks out trans women for their sole attribute of a cock then it doesn't demean me that's their problem not mine. Like a genetic woman who recognizes guys who are "players" and "booty call boys" is just speaking about the nature and intention of those guys.