Question for all pre op tgirls

[TSFantasia]

Who says this forum isn't educational?

Just like learning that the average penis length of males worldwide is 5.1-5.9 inches . I'm sure most guys went "Whew what a relief!"

[Ray]

Not me. I thought, wish I was so lucky.

[cameeindos]

No, I dont find my terms self demeaning (get a sense of humour).

And a dick is not female genitalia. Tell that to your psychiatrist (every tgirl has one who is guiding you through your transition) and see what they say.
(they will prob look at you with a blank stare on their face).

And in Canada you can get your pussy done for free (paid for by the government) if you truly have gender dysmorphia. I know of many girls who have all had the surgery done here for free. Some escort, some don't.

lol.. As most girls here are transitioning in some form, you don't think they know that already? lol..

[Gypsy1955]

They may not know

lol.. As most girls here are transitioning in some form, you don't think they know that already? lol..

Many of the girl are young and haven't been in Canada very long. It should not be takin' for granted that all girls know of this. Many will learn from other girls...and a psychiatrist if they are in fact are seeing one lol.

[TSFantasia]

I love your personality Fantasia

if your ever in toronto I'de love to meet u at goodhandies

Thanks Hun and sounds like fun

[cameeindos]

Many of the girl are young and haven't been in Canada very long. It should not be takin' for granted that all girls know of this. Many will learn from other girls...and a psychiatrist if they are in fact are seeing one lol.

lolwut? so how do they get diagnosed? or assessed? must work like that in most countries.

[Gypsy1955]

lolwut? so how do they get diagnosed? or assessed? must work like that in most countries.

LOL! Exactly as I said. Not all TG's (new to Canada) that immigrate to Canada come knowing, or because of SRS being free. I'm saying a person simply cannot take it for granted that they have this knowledge, which is what you said. I'm saying some girls DO NOT have this knowledge and some DO NOT go to a psychiatrist. I said "some will learn from friends." They may pursue these benefits afterwards, as they gain this knowledge. And I KNOW I am right. Lol What can I say!

[VanessaBell]

lolwut? so how do they get diagnosed? or assessed? must work like that in most countries.

A lot of people just order hormones online and transition by themselves instead of bothering with the medical system, particularly around my age group where there's less of a desire or need for surgery -- and to be fair, there's a ton of hoops to jump through even for just starting out. Even some doctors will just straight up prescribe you hormones if you ask them nicely. Granted, this can potentially be a dangerous approach if they're not remembering to get their bloodwork done, but complications are pretty rare.

[Crossover1]

I would disagree with your "pretend straight guy" argument for essentially the same reasons, but just out of curiosity, don't you find that reference of yours a bit self-demeaning?

Bingo!

I must say something at the risk of sounding superior: I find myself much more evolved than far too many of the trans women I meet. That's fine, I'm older, and have had 20 years of interesting life experiences that perhaps these girls haven't. But I chortle at how quickly and severely trans women categorize men to fit their own pet theories, which are all bullshit anyway. Pleasure is pleasure, and morality of categorization is for boring people.

As Carl Jung rightly pointed out, we are made of masculine and feminine characteristics. The equipment and techniques we use to get towards ecstasy and liberation is kind of irrelevant. And if your goal isn't pleasure and liberation, why bother having sex? I have a side of me which is incredibly dominant and another side of me horribly, tragically passive. OBVIOUSLY, one feeds the other. They are connected in pure form. The dance of opposites. How fun!

Many trans women condemn men that like cock, because of their own insecurities and fears. Yawn. Kids, in the end it's about aesthetics and pleasure, not what you're born with. A perfect example is "straight men" discovering their assholes, which is happening in the era we're in now. So much guilt and fear to be brushed aside, stoked by trans women who put men into their tiny, little boxes so they can sleep at night

I can tell you as a "straight" man, haha, whatever that is, that I've had anal orgasms that I'm almost certain would rival the female orgasm in all of its circular beauty. I've never had a cock in my ass, so which category do I fit for trans women? If you have a super model's finger in your ass when you come, rather than a hard cock, but you have the same orgasm, what does that make you?

The evolved person goes so far beyond that and sees people with their parts and beyond them. Both places. That's where you can get liberated. We are our parts, and we're not. Both things. I've had anal orgasms from a women's hand that would rival a women's circular, sustained orgasm any day. It's completely different than the straight ahead line of a regular cock orgasm. I don't sit there questioning if I'm "gay" or whatever. I just like that I can be feminine and male depending on the circumstance. Does this ability make me weak or strong?

Something to think about.

[toban]

Right on, Sir!

A very interesting piece Crossover1 and deserving of some real consideration here, especially by some of our inordinately vocal pre-ops, who seem ever so eager to categorize those who champion them and support them both morally and financially.

One thing you might expand upon though is your descriptive term ?circular orgasms? as attributed to females. Now, I?ve experienced so many hundreds of female orgasms, most times right up nose-tight, but can?t quite perceive anything circular - but maybe I?m just being way too clinical.

[TSFantasia]

Yes Let's Get Rid of Labels Altogether

Who needs labels?? Let's rip all the labels off everything in the grocery store grab your plain colour boxes of various shapes and sizes grab a bunch of aluminum cans of various sizes and hope for the best! You wanted peas & carrots too bad you got cream corn. You wanted green beans & fish sticks tonight?Too bad you got beets & pizza pops. Your allergic to anything with peanuts in them? Too bad that's what emergency rooms and epi-pens are for!

Governments survey and categorize their citizens to know how to properly distribute funds, build schools, roads, hospitals and how to best meet the needs of various cultural or special needs groups.

The best thing that ever happened to me was coming out as trans and openly bisexual ,I like to keep my options open
And for all the we are all just parts BS? It's what we do with those "parts" in connection with other people's parts that determines your sexuality.

A guy can be in a hetero relationship and tell his GF/wife "I love you honey and your sexy body but gotta tell you what I really love is sucking on cocks and being fucked deep and hard by them." Maybe if she's open minded she will say, "No problem I can use a strap-on you and we can find a playmate for threesomes so you can suck and get fucked by a real dick." (Don't count on this scenario). If he goes on to tell her, "Honey I'm really a bottom only kind of guy so let's dispense with all this gender sexuality nonsense and you fuck me from now on and get your pleasure from that, but Honey I'm still straight as an arrow."
This woman is going to find this guy USELESS in bed to her and that's exactly how I feel about guys who cannot get or maintain a hard-on to fuck me as the woman.

All you guys can keep all this t-girl, guy on guy fucking & sucking on the down-low. Keep your "straight, hetero" image intact for your wife/gf,family, friends and co-workers. You never need to "come out" about anything. Just don't expect me to buy into the load of self deception and denial that you are shovelling out. I don't believe for a minute that the majority of you "t-girl lovers"are not the same 1000's of guys who are also on Craigslist, Squirt, AFF, etc. etc. looking for any available cock to suck or get fucked by on your lunch breaks or whatever excuses you use to ditch your gfs and wives.

And the problem with your "we are your supporters and admirers by being t-girl escort clients", yes thanks for your patronage. Genetic women are also escorts and porn stars too but they have real lives also. They don't have every Match.com, Cupid, Eharmony dating site linked to porn sites like every TS/TG Dating site is. They have real relationships with men who see them as persons beyond the few hours a week in the sack having sex. The men date them, form relationships with them, and marry them because they are comfortable with their sexuality. If trans attracted men were not so paranoid about losing their "straight, hetero ONLY" status and LABEL all trans women would be happier campers. And here's the REAL problem is not that you guys don't like labels..you do as long as it reads "100% certified gov't inspected straight, hetero male".

And no fetish cross dresser is ever going to understand how trans women think and feel because we are NOT the same and it has nothing to do with how long you have lived or your life experiences. A fetish cross dresser thinks and feels like a man who has a testosterone driven sex drive.

[Gypsy1955]

What Am I?!

I'm not going to say too much here. I did as was suggested to me and went internet surfing looking for definitions/information of bi-sexual and heterosexual sex. In particular I was looking for info pertaining to men/TG sex. I didn't bother with gay or homo because we all know without a doubt what they are.

All sites pretty much say the same thing. Translated into my own words (with same meaning): man/TG sex is considered "bi or gay," or maybe you're "pansexual?" Your category just depends if you're attracted to GG or not, or are only attracted to men. So, whether you top, bottom, suck them or they suck you, doesn't matter...pick your category, heterosexual is not one of your options. A man having "stepped out" and experimented a few times but then realizes "hey, this is not for me!" He's probably straight. If you're a man and a tranny chaser...you're not straight.

Labelling...is it really a label if it's categorically accurate and correct by definition? Why do some not look at themselves and accept the "label" that befits them? I simply see Fantasia sticking to her guns according to research and definition (now I'm gonna get called an ass-kisser, won't be the first time!). She's not making it up to suit her own thoughts or beliefs. That's why Fantasia can say she's bi-sexual...and I can say I'm straight.

In the short time I've been in this "New World" of TG, I've learned a lot. One of the things I've learned...as long as people refuse to accept...this will never end!

[toban]

[cameeindos]

LOL! Exactly as I said. Not all TG's (new to Canada) that immigrate to Canada come knowing, or because of SRS being free. I'm saying a person simply cannot take it for granted that they have this knowledge, which is what you said. I'm saying some girls DO NOT have this knowledge and some DO NOT go to a psychiatrist. I said "some will learn from friends." They may pursue these benefits afterwards, as they gain this knowledge. And I KNOW I am right. Lol What can I say!

er.. so who tells them they have gender dysphoria in the first place? how do they get that diagnosis? you DO know it's a medical condition, right? haha.. so her point is a silly one to say as if many here wouldn't know that already...

[Gypsy1955]

er.. so who tells them they have gender dysphoria in the first place? how do they get that diagnosis? you DO know it's a medical condition, right? haha.. so her point is a silly one to say as if many here wouldn't know that already...

Classified as medical condition, a classification that many TG and psychiatrists would like to change. They need to be told by a doctor they have gender dysphoria! I think they know who they are if not the medical term. Don't you give anybody any credit for intelligence?! I think possibly they need the psychiatrist to help deal with the issue, or maybe help with transformation. You DO realize it can also be biological or genetics, right? Lmao!! WHEW! What can a psychiatrist do about that? Er...seems like you have all the answers! LMAO!! In furtherance to this...I was talking of "IMMIGRANTS" to Canada and you would have to prove that ALL of these girls are actively going to a psychiatrist or that they know ALL the rules of entitlement in Canada. And I'm not talking Wikipedia. Who is this "HER" you speak of that said something silly? A TG that you figure you would be more knowledgeable than on this subject than "HER?" WOWZERS! Sometimes ya gotta listen to others and I'm NOT saying listen to me...I'm just learning. But I think I'd rather listen and learn from Fantasia, or Babe, or whoever this "HER" is.