Question for all pre op tgirls

[cameeindos]

i'm a cisgendered male so maybe my opinion doesn't mean much in this discussion, but then if a TS looks like a woman, has a female voice, has a woman's body and woman's mannerisms, does it matter if she still has a cock? yes it is a male part but then transition is just as much about lifestyle then turning a cock into a pussy. but as a pretend straight guy loll.. I know it's a grey area, but I would say that if one likes the female form, then it's not gay (not totally). it's like a genetic woman who likes sex with men but likes sex occasionally with other genetic women. it's a grey area.

And men who don't date publicly TSs. well yeah, this is pissing people off, but then such men are scared of society. flame me if people want, but then which person shouldn't be? it's not a black and white case, and to me it's not pussylike/cowardly if in some cases you could get killed (which won't really happen in the USA or Canada granted). what if a man is from a conservative family, finds he likes TSs and would risk losing his family if they found out?

[candyhilton]

I feel so sorry for any tgirl that gets beat up by a real straight guy (just he got tricked into thinking she was a real girl), u dont have to kick her ass.

[TSFantasia]

i'm a cisgendered male so maybe my opinion doesn't mean much in this discussion, but then if a TS looks like a woman, has a female voice, has a woman's body and woman's mannerisms, does it matter if she still has a cock? yes it is a male part but then transition is just as much about lifestyle then turning a cock into a pussy. but as a pretend straight guy loll.. I know it's a grey area, but I would say that if one likes the female form, then it's not gay (not totally). it's like a genetic woman who likes sex with men but likes sex occasionally with other genetic women. it's a grey area.

And men who don't date publicly TSs. well yeah, this is pissing people off, but then such men are scared of society. flame me if people want, but then which person shouldn't be? it's not a black and white case, and to me it's not pussylike/cowardly if in some cases you could get killed (which won't really happen in the USA or Canada granted). what if a man is from a conservative family, finds he likes TSs and would risk losing his family if they found out?

If we all went by the "what ifs?" and worst case scenarios there would be no LGBT rights or progress everyone would still be in the closet because of fear and paranoia, which is what you are stating. A guy doesn't have to come out as gay because his preference is trans women or that he makes no distinction between attractive females based on their genitalia. It's more like stating it that way and a "I'm not sure what that makes me and I don't care! That's what I like and that is what I am doing with my life!"

[cameeindos]

If we all went by the "what ifs?" and worst case scenarios there would be no LGBT rights or progress everyone would still be in the closet because of fear and paranoia, which is what you are stating. A guy doesn't have to come out as gay because his preference is trans women or that he makes no distinction between attractive females based on their genitalia. It's more like stating it that way and a "I'm not sure what that makes me and I don't care! That's what I like and that is what I am doing with my life!"

Just saying it's more complex than saying men who aren't "out" with their liking of TSs are pussies or cowards. I agree that people did and do make a stand, but then it depends on each case. even men/women who are gay aren't openly so as much in Mississippi than as California, why do these TSs think that is? lol..

[candyhilton]

I love your personality Fantasia

if your ever in toronto I'de love to meet u at goodhandies

[xoxJanexox]

You have no interest or you have already given up in despair & disgust? This is definitely not normal the need for human closeness in relationships is a basic human need. If I say a guy is a "tranny chaser" or a "pretend straight guy" (guy in denial about his sexuality) who is obsessed and seeks out trans women for their sole attribute of a cock then it doesn't demean me that's their problem not mine. Like a genetic woman who recognizes guys who are "players" and "booty call boys" is just speaking about the nature and intention of those guys.

Once again you set up norms and facts as if you were the ultimate authority in the trans community!

Few decades ago, the whole transsexualism was considered an abnormality and a psychiatric disorder. Still in some jurisdictions around the world transexualism is considered an abnormality. So you are according to others abnormal too. Does this solve your problem?!

[xoxJanexox]

I feel so sorry for any tgirl that gets beat up by a real straight guy (just he got tricked into thinking she was a real girl), u dont have to kick her ass.

Don't feel sorry for pre-op tgirls only, post-ops are included. There are documented cases of violence toward post-op t-girls because some of the "real" straight guys got tricked into thinking they were "real" girls" (XX chromosome)! So whether you are pre or post-op, you are still a viable member for the trans phobia attacks.

[Ray]

Candy said that she didn't know that post-op girls had an inch limit. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the inch limit is determined by the size of your cock before surgery, ie, a girl with an 8 inch cock will be able to take more in than a girl that started out with a 5 inch cock.

[Alexis]

Depends on a number of factors..

Candy said that she didn't know that post-op girls had an inch limit. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the inch limit is determined by the size of your cock before surgery, ie, a girl with an 8 inch cock will be able to take more in than a girl that started out with a 5 inch cock.

There's a number of factors.. the Dr you choose, your body parts etc..

Healing time and dilation is very important..

Currently.. about 50/50 as to ability to orgasm and one would be lucky to have 6-7" of depth..

There's no way one could handle being fucked by a dick like mine for example.. it would put one in the hospital..

Most GG's that I fuck have no problems with me fucking them really deep and hard provided the angle is right.. For some girls it's a bit to big to take for more than 15-20 minutes.. but still.. they can take 8" and it's pretty darn thick too.. oh and they cum like crazy over and over..

I think there's still a long way to go in perfecting the internal workings of lower half SRS..

[Ray]

So what your saying Alexis is that I would have no problem with a post-op girl, LOL.

[TSFantasia]

Candy said that she didn't know that post-op girls had an inch limit. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the inch limit is determined by the size of your cock before surgery, ie, a girl with an 8 inch cock will be able to take more in than a girl that started out with a 5 inch cock.

There are lots of factors involved and regardless of original penis length there is only so much depth that can be achieved due to human anatomy and abdominal organs. If any trans woman's only concern with getting SRS is how big of a penis she can accommodate then I'm thinking that their whole motivation in transitioning is wrong in the first place. I don't care if I have 4, 5 or 6 inches vaginal depth I can still accommodate any size in the back door I can currently orgasm with or without an erection simply by vibrating the tip of my cock like a woman would her clitoris and having anal stimulation during this of course speeds that along. The clitoris is made from the penis head and nerve endings so I'm not concerned about not achieving orgasms. I have complete sexual satisfaction when a man has sex with me whether or not I have a "squirting" orgasm.

Below from Dr. Suporn's Clinic site :
Maximum vaginal depth attained with the scrotal skin graft beyond the original position of the peritoneal reflection (Douglas Pouch). A minimum of 6.0" (15.25 cm) vaginal depth is guaranteed immediately after surgery in all cases of SRS. The modal average is 7.0" (17.8 cm) depth. The best aesthetics and maximum depth are obtained if the patient has:

• not been circumcised;
• not had bilateral orchiectomy;
• not had genital electrolysis other than the perineum
• not been taking antiandrogens/hormone replacement therapies for more than a few years
• no prior medical conditions; and is
• not overweight.

In such cases,the maximum attained has been 8.5" (22.6 cm) depth after long-term recovery, acquired on several occasions . This extreme depth is not common, however, nor is it offered as an expectation. Such depth is of course additionally limited by the safe physical space available within any individual patient's abdominal tissue. During the period 2010 - 2013 the average vaginal depth has been in the region of 7 inches (17.8 cm)

[toban]

That's the problem!

There's a number of factors.. the Dr you choose, your body parts etc..

Healing time and dilation is very important..

Currently.. about 50/50 as to ability to orgasm and one would be lucky to have 6-7" of depth..

There's no way one could handle being fucked by a dick like mine for example.. it would put one in the hospital..

Most GG's that I fuck have no problems with me fucking them really deep and hard provided the angle is right.. For some girls it's a bit to big to take for more than 15-20 minutes.. but still.. they can take 8" and it's pretty darn thick too.. oh and they cum like crazy over and over..

I think there's still a long way to go in perfecting the internal workings of lower half SRS..

When the ?Great Creator? designed the female body he allowed for plenty of available space down there by providing a wide pelvis to accommodate all kinds of things, from penises, with the resulting baby and for a few, even fists amongst many other things.

Male bodies were designed for different purposes and so, quite differently. The problem is in finding room in the compact narrow pelvic area of the former male for that new vagina nor do I think the length of the former penis has too much influence on the useful acceptable depth after surgery.

Those narrow hips mean far less open spaces to utilize so there are probably many obstacles to finding enough vacant property in the former male body in which to install that new pleasure chamber. It has to be fitted in where nothing was ever intended to be present! A long penis would therefore a run real risk of bumping into or pushing aside something that's going to hurt.

Another factor I believe is that the female vagina is muscular whereas the skin of the penis is not and tends to shrink and requires considerable stretching over time to keep it at an acceptable size/length. This stretching has to be done daily after surgery as part of the recuperative process using increasingly larger ?dilators? for several months after reconstruction and in some cases this may need to continue for years.

[Ray]

What prompted me to ask about the size of the penis determining the inch limit is I remember when Danielle Fox was having her surgery she mentioned that when she first showed her cock to the doctor he exclaimed something like, Oh yeah, we will have no problem with you. While not the biggest, Danielle had a more than an average sized penis.

[TSFantasia]

When you get your facts about trans or genetic women from PORN your bound to be fucked up!

Dimensions of surgically created neovaginas[edit]

The depth of the typical neovagina created by male-to-female sex reassignment surgery is generally limited by the length of Denonvilliers' fascia,^{[citation needed]} and is reported to be between 11 and 12 cm (4.3-4.7 in), within the range of the natural female vagina

A 1996 study by Pendergrass et al. using vinyl polysiloxane castings taken from the vaginas of 39 Caucasian women, found the following ranges of dimensions:^[3]

• lengths (measured using rods): 6.86 to 14.81 cm (2.7 to 5.83 inches);
  
• widths: 4.8 to 6.3 cm (1.88 to 2.48 inches);
• introital diameters: 2.39 to 6.45 cm (0.94 to 2.53 inches)

A second study by the same group showed significant variations in size and shape between the vaginas of women of different ethnic groups.^[4] Both studies showed a wide range of vaginal shapes, described by the researchers as "Parallel sided, conical, heart, [...] slug"^[3] and "pumpkin seed"^[4] shapes. Barnhart et al., however, were unable to characterize the shape of the vagina as a 'heart, slug, pumpkin seed or parallel sides' as suggested by the previous studies.^[1]
A 2003 study by the group of Pendergrass et al. also using castings as a measurement method, measured vaginal surface areas ranging from 65.73 to 107.07 cm? (10.19 to 16.60 sq. inches) with a mean of 87.46 cm? (13.56 sq. inches) and a standard deviation of 7.80 cm? (1.21 sq inches)^[5]

Research published in 2006 by Barnhart et al., gave the following mean dimensions, based on MRI scans of 28 women:^[1]

• Mean length from cervix to introitus: 6.27 cm (2.46").
• Mean width:
  • at the proximal vagina: 3.25 cm (1.27");
  • at the pelvic diaphragm: 2.78 cm (1.09");
  • at the introitus: 2.62 cm (1.03")
  
  

Dimensions during sexual arousal[edit]

Lawrence, citing Masters and Johnson's Human Sexual Response (1966), states that pages 73 and 74 of that book show that typical vaginal depth in Masters and Johnson's participants ranged from 7–8 cm (2.8-3.1 in) in an unstimulated state, to 11–12 cm (4.3-4.7 in) during sexual arousal with a speculum in place.^[

[Ray]

Who says this forum isn't educational?