Fellas in relationships how do you justify seeing escorts?

[Mugsammy]

Muggs. Been following this back and forth. Wondering: what "fact after fact" have you mentioned? You seem to have a way with words but that doesn't make you the authority.

You claim that 6-12 tests a year is an "ill informed" comment, though I've been with multiple trans providers who have claimed similar numbers.

Your suggesting that the OP is " left winger where you're easily offended" is very passive aggressive. Are you not above statements like this? Lol.

You put intelligent phases together, though between this thread and others in the past, I'd say you are usually looking for conflict on here.

I think that "quality providers" are safer than a random fling. I also feel guilty for keeping my fetishes to myself and not including my significant other. I owe them more than that.

First of all drigger thank you for your comments. You did it tastefully and without animosity. Now, to your comments.

fact after fact: although I didn't quote where I get my info I actually do search research/studies. For example, I mention high risk groups which are early/mid 20's and gays. Search "Control Center for STI's and Disease" or "Info on STI's" or simply STI's. BAM! Hits you in the face there is so much. What I said was fact was a fact.

Myself as an authority: I have read numerous reports, studies and even news about this that actually make me more of an authority then most people in here. It's not like pulling rabbits out of a hat or information from my ass. I also have made a few very good TG friends. I have an open mind an always an ear for them. I'm not talking about what they had for dinner or what is their favourite sport. I have learned from the source.

I did say that men who visit escorts are "maybe" a little bit older (then the high risk groups) therefore escorts are safer then a club or bar. Outside of the high risk groups...different story. Girls in a club or bar having sex with more men then an escort...I could never believe that. More unprotected sex...I can believe that. But this would be inside the risk groups that I mentioned.

Testing: even escorts will tell you that after a test throw it away, it's only good till your 1st client. Fact.

6-12 tests a year, you say you know several? How many escorts are out there?? What are the percentages? Look at my comment above.

Bareback: she says "no I will never do that!?" Yet we see time after time even in here that it's being done. One girl even calls herself "bb" in her ads and charges more for it. So, one client fucks her bb and who does he see next? Does he disclose his sexual history to the next escort? Does he tell her that he recently fucked an escort bb?

Oral is almost exclusively bb. All we have is their word to trust them and vice versa.

OP is left wing...for sure. The individual started with me angrily at the same time commenting on my past threads from at least 2 years ago, going on about me "sucking cock" and whatever. The individuals comments were done to call me down no doubt about it. But "I'm" the angry one!? I still do not judge people as I seem to be judged for my words. I could care less. Hmmmm....maybe I am conflict seeking! Nope...just saying what I believe.

You say I'm passive aggressive...maybe so. Think what you want. I'm ok with it.

Me looking for conflict: Wrong! But I will challenge someone where I see it as offensive, degrading (as if prostituting isn't degrading enough) I simply try to instill some personality to try and keep it interesting and have fun writing even if only for myself.

Myself as an authority: One time in my doctors office I noticed a brochure on TG. It had a chart on TG comparisons of violence, suicide, addiction, education, discrimination, employment opportunities, etc to the general population. I read it. How many others in here would you say have ever read any of such articles? NOT TOO MANY!! Common sense tells me that. You see articles in news, magazines and more. I always read them. I did a thread on the brochure, guess how many members commented? None that I can recall. Had I done an amazing review on sex with a beautiful TG, sucking her, eating ass, fucking in 12 different positions, huge explosion of cum I would have had dozens. I would even get pm's with questions about her. FACT.

I've showed at least 2 situations where I've obtained actual, true and factual information. An authority...no way nor have/will I ever claimed to be. But I do try to educate myself even just a little bit at a time.

Finally yourself. Instead of looking up some of the things I said in order to agree or refute you just question "me" personally and point everything I said out as BS, when in FACT you don't have the answers. That is the same as what so many others have done and continue to do. This then does not make it a debate, this is gang mentality.

[JerryW]

One thing I would bet my bottom dollar that a good majority of these girls do not go and get tested every month.You people are just surmising that,You see a few like Lucy,Lola and Shyla post there results fairly often but the others maybe 1 time a year or not at all.

[Mugsammy]

One thing I would bet my bottom dollar that a good majority of these girls do not go and get tested every month.You people are just surmising that,You see a few like Lucy,Lola and Shyla post there results fairly often but the others maybe 1 time a year or not at all.

Exactly!! It's nieve to think otherwise.

[Shyla Wild]

1- Justifying ANY of your sexual activity as safe is 100% ignorant. The only way that you can be 100% sure of not catching anything is not having sex . Final. I don?t care if you play the field, see escorts or only sleep with you wife/girlfriend. The reality is you don?t know what the field is doing, don?t know if the escort is clean and you don?t know if your wife is faithful. STI are transmitted orally, vaginally and anally. No activity is safer than another as all have a possibility of STI infection. If you dont want to catch anything then keep your zee zee in your pants, put a cork in your asshole and your mouth to yourself. Whatever else your choose to do, is nothing more than empty justifications to satisfy your conscience or a level of unsafe you are willing to accept.
2- No escort should give any married person a hard time. Married clients have a lot to lose and in general don?t want problems. They are pretty much the safest clients in terms of the threat of physical assault, robbery, etc.
3- Ask yourselves sometime. How many people have YOU slept with? How many did you ask for test results? Did YOU even ask half? When was the last time YOU were tested? How safe are YOU really? I always find these STD threads hypocritical, as most of the people posting cannot post their test results. They talk a big game, but the reality is they are just as ignorant about their sexual health as the next person.

My advice:
1- Play Safe
2- Pick reputable providers (btw under 200$ is not reputable). Many clients think they are getting a deal. You are not only getting a deal but possible more than you bargained for.
3- If this is still a problem for your psyche, DON?T have sex. Thats a population control and an unemployment solution right there. And of course, no threat of STI or is there? Here is a situation for you...you get into a car accident and need a blood transfusion. The hospital give you one, but unfortunately the blood is tainted and you get HIV. (Accidents and mistakes can happen). After a Lawsuit, you win a bunch of money, HIV, and a lifetime of taking Prep. Did safe sex help? Does wearing a condom protect or help reduce the risk?

However you want to justify what you do, the reality is these justifications are nothing more than a way for you to accept what you did.

Oh, if you think one group is safer than another....extremely naive. Remember...escorts are not born with STDs. They get it from....clients. So now begs the REAL question. Is it escorts that are the riskiest? Or is it you, the clients? After all...it?s you that infects us.

[justvisiting2016]

One thing I would bet my bottom dollar that a good majority of these girls do not go and get tested every month.You people are just surmising that,You see a few like Lucy,Lola and Shyla post there results fairly often but the others maybe 1 time a year or not at all.

My comment which started his ranting did say "reputable". Which means i am referring to the names we all know and love. Seeing them is less risky than picking up girls in bars who never test unless they get symptoms. That does not mean one should change their precautions; it just means than men and women meet at bars and on tinder and give bareback oral and very often bareback sex with the verbal "I am clean, are you" words, are not getting STI tests for the most part. Escorts, reputable ones, do test regularly. Often up to once a month. Porn stars get tested every 14 days so if you meet one on an escorting adventure she will have one within 2 weeks ago. I am not sure why this is an argument or a problem; it is just a statement of how general society is lax in their testing while sex workers are more aware of it as that is their occupation. Any reputable trans escort we connect with will be able to offer you test results that are recent. Again, I say reputable, not everyone. Again, I say reputable It is a different situation outside of that sphere.

I don't know why that fellow can't have a discussion without getting into a rant and tearing people up, but that is his style. I called him out for his mean spirited attack on married guys seeing escorts and that hurt his feelings when the reality hits that he did the same thing. Loves to stir up the conflict here which i guess is a good fit, this place loves drama. I guess he will go on another rant because of my opinions, and any opinions he doesn't agree with. We are really in an age, more than ever, where people have to tell themselves they are 100% right no matter what and will unleash verbal destruction on anyone who sees things differently. Echo chambers are in style!

Cheers

[justvisiting2016]

Oh, if you think one group is safer than another....extremely naive. Remember...escorts are not born with STDs. They get it from....clients. So now begs the REAL question. Is it escorts that are the riskiest? Or is it you, the clients? After all...it’s you that infects us.

That is the crux of what I was attempting to illustrate. People not in the sex industry are likely to test a lot less or not test at all unless symptoms show up and it's too late. That goes for both men and women. Reputable escorts test regularly, and can produce results if asked. It is part of their career.

There would be a lot of outrage if someone like yourself put up a "I will only see men with an STI test less than a week old" for example. Everyone thinks "I am clean" and they really don't know, but can go on lecturing everyone about the evils of seeing escorts.

[Mugsammy]

My comment which started his ranting did say "reputable". Which means i am referring to the names we all know and love. Seeing them is less risky than picking up girls in bars who never test unless they get symptoms. That does not mean one should change their precautions; it just means than men and women meet at bars and on tinder and give bareback oral and very often bareback sex with the verbal "I am clean, are you" words, are not getting STI tests for the most part. Escorts, reputable ones, do test regularly. Often up to once a month. Porn stars get tested every 14 days so if you meet one on an escorting adventure she will have one within 2 weeks ago. I am not sure why this is an argument or a problem; it is just a statement of how general society is lax in their testing while sex workers are more aware of it as that is their occupation. Any reputable trans escort we connect with will be able to offer you test results that are recent. Again, I say reputable, not everyone. Again, I say reputable It is a different situation outside of that sphere.

I don't know why that fellow can't have a discussion without getting into a rant and tearing people up, but that is his style. I called him out for his mean spirited attack on married guys seeing escorts and that hurt his feelings when the reality hits that he did the same thing. Loves to stir up the conflict here which i guess is a good fit, this place loves drama. I guess he will go on another rant because of my opinions, and any opinions he doesn't agree with. We are really in an age, more than ever, where people have to tell themselves they are 100% right no matter what and will unleash verbal destruction on anyone who sees things differently. Echo chambers are in style!

Cheers

ok vancouverman.

[Mugsammy]

1- Justifying ANY of your sexual activity as safe is 100% ignorant. The only way that you can be 100% sure of not catching anything is not having sex . Final. I don’t care if you play the field, see escorts or only sleep with you wife/girlfriend. The reality is you don’t know what the field is doing, don’t know if the escort is clean and you don’t know if your wife is faithful. STI are transmitted orally, vaginally and anally. No activity is safer than another as all have a possibility of STI infection. If you dont want to catch anything then keep your zee zee in your pants, put a cork in your asshole and your mouth to yourself. Whatever else your choose to do, is nothing more than empty justifications to satisfy your conscience or a level of unsafe you are willing to accept.
2- No escort should give any married person a hard time. Married clients have a lot to lose and in general don’t want problems. They are pretty much the safest clients in terms of the threat of physical assault, robbery, etc.
3- Ask yourselves sometime. How many people have YOU slept with? How many did you ask for test results? Did YOU even ask half? When was the last time YOU were tested? How safe are YOU really? I always find these STD threads hypocritical, as most of the people posting cannot post their test results. They talk a big game, but the reality is they are just as ignorant about their sexual health as the next person.

My advice:
1- Play Safe
2- Pick reputable providers (btw under 200$ is not reputable). Many clients think they are getting a deal. You are not only getting a deal but possible more than you bargained for.
3- If this is still a problem for your psyche, DON’T have sex. Thats a population control and an unemployment solution right there. And of course, no threat of STI or is there? Here is a situation for you...you get into a car accident and need a blood transfusion. The hospital give you one, but unfortunately the blood is tainted and you get HIV. (Accidents and mistakes can happen). After a Lawsuit, you win a bunch of money, HIV, and a lifetime of taking Prep. Did safe sex help? Does wearing a condom protect or help reduce the risk?

However you want to justify what you do, the reality is these justifications are nothing more than a way for you to accept what you did.

Oh, if you think one group is safer than another....extremely naive. Remember...escorts are not born with STDs. They get it from....clients. So now begs the REAL question. Is it escorts that are the riskiest? Or is it you, the clients? After all...it’s you that infects us.

Totally agree. Funny how when I say stuff I'm ripping people up. In my last comments I spoke about client delivering infections to an escort, how often clients get tested, by sex, exclusive bb oral etc after all bb Kate or whatever her name is is making money.

it seems that no matter how logical, sensible or factual my comments are if I say asshole, cocksucker, whatever that's all some of these guys see and I've attacked all. Some btw who seem to know all about me.

If they don't like how I choose my words...buss off and lay off my comments.

[Mugsammy]

With 10's of thousands of escorts out there stick to the reputable ones. What about those who are in full time relationships and have partners themselves. They don't practice safe sex, they're in a relationship. There's infidelity going on especially the young ones. Then going from relationship to relationship. It comes down to trust.

Another possibility with the 200 escort. She's aging, gaining weight...less client interest. She may still be clean and practise only safe sex.

There's been a fair amount of interest shown in here towards a few CD's. A few guys have takin the plunge. I can tell you that one CD in particular places an ad frequently for someone to pick him up, take him to a popular bathhouse so he can get gang banged or whoever wants it, top or bottom, or one at a time. And yes some of you have paid and spent time with him long after his ads are placed. So gents...who are you going to see next!? Said he was a good fuck with great rhythm. Now, let's talk about gay, bi, pan or straight! Kidding.

Shyla, if you don't mind could you please tell me/us how often you get tested? You are one of the most trusted, I trust you, I'm sure you would trust me. But no matter there is no way that we would ever consider do bb together.

It's unbelievable to me how people think that it's a straight line with no zig zag change direction that there's one simple answer to everything. Such shallow thinking I would say.

Now here I go, ranting and trashing people again. Stirring the pot. Maybe I must be super careful about finishing my sentences with !!! Instead of ... because I might offend some sensitive member(s) who should be more worried about other things!!!!!!

And Shyla I know from many conversations we've had that you know where I'm coming from and that you somewhat have to watch you p's and q's to not offend clientele. I for instance...do not ��

Oops....forgot to say thank you...thank you!

[justvisiting2016]

Before shyla replies I would think she gets tested at least every 2 months.... maybe monthly.... I guess we shall see what she says; but I have had a lot of reputable escorts tell me they go once a month so they always have recent results to show if a client asks and also so they know they are not having any issues to deal with. if a client asks for a test and its 3 months old they won't look cool.

[Mugsammy]

Before shyla replies I would think she gets tested at least every 2 months.... maybe monthly.... I guess we shall see what she says; but I have had a lot of reputable escorts tell me they go once a month so they always have recent results to show if a client asks and also so they know they are not having any issues to deal with. if a client asks for a test and its 3 months old they won't look cool.

I already know how often Shyla gets tested. It's not for me. Shyla has one of the top reputations in the business. She's also very intelligent and cares about how she takes care of her health and body. The escort generally has more to worry about with a client then client from escort. So they better practise save sex.

A person can go on the internet and draw up a very official looking report. I'm absolutely not saying the top reputable girls would do that because I'm sure they won't. But I'd bet my britches some are.

There are places you can do walk ins, testing is free, answer is back in only a few days. I don't know if they give you a piece of paper for that.

[KelliBlueEyes]

Before shyla replies I would think she gets tested at least every 2 months.... maybe monthly.... I guess we shall see what she says; but I have had a lot of reputable escorts tell me they go once a month so they always have recent results to show if a client asks and also so they know they are not having any issues to deal with. if a client asks for a test and its 3 months old they won't look cool.

That's exactly the way I see it, I rarely get asked for a test, and if I do I'd feel like an ass producing one that's 3 months old. I get tested by bloodwork and urine at the lab for HIV, HCV, HPV, gonorrhea, clamydia, syphylis, and UTIs. If I chance to see one of my doctors at the health center in the interim I'll do the 20 minute Orasure HIV test and have the printed out results in 20 minutes. For example, I have labs from 1/28 and 2/16, and I'm back on 3/2. I'm seeing the Doctor anyway, and my insurance covers STD testing, so I get it done as much as possible.

Incidentally, trans people are considered a high risk group for STDs, Health insurance is pretty universal in first world countries, so to me, a SP that's not being regularly tested is a big red flag.

Clients on the other hand are rarely tested. Unless they present symptoms they rarely even think to get tested even on a routine visit to the doc. One thing that boggles my mind on another board, is that NYC clients seem much more likely to go out to the slums and see a girl that charges $50-80 less (girls that live in subsidised housing and use drugs even) as opposed to seeing someone reputable who charges more but tests regularly and works from a safe location. You'll risk your health and safety to save $50? Unbelievable. That's why I don't work in NYC even though I am there frequently.

I know it's alot, but while we're on the subject, let's not forget there are clients who: look for discreet hook ups on craigslist, hookup in video store booths with random strangers, hookup in bathrooms at certain clubs and/or visit sex clubs, not to mention the whole hetero pick up scene. So, many clients are frequently risking STDs in settings outside a professional connection - and as noted they rarely get tested.

Speaking for myself, I rarely have sex outside of a paid encounter, and when I do I practice the same precautions I do with clients.

[Mugsammy]

That's exactly the way I see it, I rarely get asked for a test, and if I do I'd feel like an ass producing one that's 3 months old. I get tested by bloodwork and urine at the lab for HIV, HCV, HPV, gonorrhea, clamydia, syphylis, and UTIs. If I chance to see one of my doctors at the health center in the interim I'll do the 20 minute Orasure HIV test and have the printed out results in 20 minutes. For example, I have labs from 1/28 and 2/16, and I'm back on 3/2. I'm seeing the Doctor anyway, and my insurance covers STD testing, so I get it done as much as possible.

Incidentally, trans people are considered a high risk group for STDs, Health insurance is pretty universal in first world countries, so to me, a SP that's not being regularly tested is a big red flag.

Clients on the other hand are rarely tested. Unless they present symptoms they rarely even think to get tested even on a routine visit to the doc. One thing that boggles my mind on another board, is that NYC clients seem much more likely to go out to the slums and see a girl that charges $50-80 less (girls that live in subsidised housing and use drugs even) as opposed to seeing someone reputable who charges more but tests regularly and works from a safe location. You'll risk your health and safety to save $50? Unbelievable. That's why I don't work in NYC even though I am there frequently.

I know it's alot, but while we're on the subject, let's not forget there are clients who: look for discreet hook ups on craigslist, hookup in video store booths with random strangers, hookup in bathrooms at certain clubs and/or visit sex clubs, not to mention the whole hetero pick up scene. So, many clients are frequently risking STDs in settings outside a professional connection - and as noted they rarely get tested.

Speaking for myself, I rarely have sex outside of a paid encounter, and when I do I practice the same precautions I do with clients.

Sweet. I wish I could put into words as you do. I particularly notice your comment on trans people being high risk. I could say it, or similar, a million times and I'm ranting or a self proclaimed authority on the subject. They focus more on if I said a swear word instead of the subject at hand. Coming from obviously educated and intelligent person like yourself maybe now they will listen. After all it is client putting the girls at risk. Client should also get tested. When I did it, I got tested and I also seen reputable girls and only once was there any kind of penetration.

Food for thought: Even with the test paper being 1 or 2 months old how many times and different client were there, or new client where you know nothing about them. Average one a day would be approx 30 - 60 people over 1-2 months? Pardon me but I do have a real tough time believing that outside of escorts that people are having sex with so many different partners and I don't care if it's in a bar, club or wherever. Maybe I'm just too green between the ears?

[KelliBlueEyes]

Sweet. I wish I could put into words as you do. I particularly notice your comment on trans people being high risk. I could say it, or similar, a million times and I'm ranting or a self proclaimed authority on the subject. Coming from obviously educated and intelligent person(s) like yourself...maybe now they will listen. After all...it is client putting the girls at high risk and they must get tested to protect themselves...not necessarily the client.

Food for thought: Even with the test paper being 1 month old how many times and different client were there in this 1 or 2 months. Another well known issue that I like to bring up but other than the girls few seem to care.

Its also just good business, I didn't go through transition to risk my health unnecessarily, so I protect myself but also my business. In large part my regulars are all older married guys. So why would I do what all with some bumble donkey for an extra couple bucks and take unnecessary risks. God forbid I caught anything, but even worse if I infected a regular client and he went home to his wife with that. It would ruin ones whole reputation.

The reputable girls are using protection and being frequently tested to establish their reputation as safe, they aren't taking extreme risks even though likely everyone does OWOBW sometimes. The age of the test is one issue, and like you point out she has seen x number of guys since the last test, but the reputable girls if asked can pull out reams of tests, not just one test from a month ago, so it's the history and practice of being tested regularly that is intended to put clients minds more at ease.

[Mugsammy]

Its also just good business, I didn't go through transition to risk my health unnecessarily, so I protect myself but also my business. In large part my regulars are all older married guys. So why would I do what all with some bumble donkey for an extra couple bucks and take unnecessary risks. God forbid I caught anything, but even worse if I infected a regular client and he went home to his wife with that. It would ruin ones whole reputation.

The reputable girls are using protection and being frequently tested to establish their reputation as safe, they aren't taking extreme risks even though likely everyone does OWOBW sometimes. The age of the test is one issue, and like you point out she has seen x number of guys since the last test, but the reputable girls if asked can pull out reams of tests, not just one test from a month ago, so it's the history and practice of being tested regularly that is intended to put clients minds more at ease.

Excellent!!! But now you're in trouble...you said bumble donkeys! I'm usually more harsh then that lol.

Sorry but I tried to figure it out...I have no idea what OWOBW means