Question for all pre op tgirls

[TSFantasia]

It is a very unfortunate loop: Trans women need/want/decide to monetize men's fascination with them, and then complain no good guy wants to have a relationship with them. Can't really blame the trans, and can't really blame the men.

As for your theory that most men don't care about your femininity or feminine parts, I don't think you're correct. It's simply that men who go to a trans escort have probably never played with a cock before, and so your feminine parts are rather less interesting. Otherwise the men would just go on Craigslist and fuck a gay guy for free 24/7. Again I think you're not seeing the complex interaction of masculine and feminine characteristics that make trans women so irresistible. Most men who like trans women aren't interested in post op. Wonder why

I'm not disagreeing with you it is a complex sexual situation and interest ...it's just not a "straight, hetero" interest and it's not necessarily gay or even bisexual but it is somewhere in between bicurious to bisexual. I've had enough straight guys show great interest in me from my pics on various sites but immediately lose interest once they learn I am trans because they have no sexual interest in someone, male or female, with a cock!
And you said it all with your last sentence that guys who like TSs are not interested in post-op so that blows the whole "Oh we were attracted to you as women!" theory out of the water! So what "straight, hetero guy rejects a woman because she has a vagina?? LMAO. And as for looks a lot of advanced TS women rival Victoria Secret models so how are these "straight, hetero" guys not attracted.?? LMAO (Sorry I can't stop laughing thanks for making my point)

[cameeindos]

Exactly if a person is attached/married and is happy to keep their t-girl experiences to paid and discreet encounters there is no need to "come out" and make any public statement about one's sexual preferences. And for those dating TS women there is no need either though makes it easier to have a relationship when your boyfriend is not trying to hide who you are to family & friends. And dreads the moment when it unintentional slips out (no pun intended.

You're still making a black and white case. Who says people don't have good or bad reasons to keep their relationship with a TS secret? For the greater good of freedom? lol.. Not saying that's a bad end, but then it's too simplistic to say "don't be a pussy and stand up" without knowing the ins and outs of each scenario. I agree though that men in relationships with TSs should perhaps stand up and promote equality since it would speed things along, but then it's BS to say "who cares about society?" when we all rely on society, it's called being human

[cameeindos]

I'm not disagreeing with you it is a complex sexual situation and interest ...it's just not a "straight, hetero" interest and it's not necessarily gay or even bisexual but it is somewhere in between bicurious to bisexual. I've had enough straight guys show great interest in me from my pics on various sites but immediately lose interest once they learn I am trans because they have no sexual interest in someone, male or female, with a cock!
And you said it all with your last sentence that guys who like TSs are not interested in post-op so that blows the whole "Oh we were attracted to you as women!" theory out of the water! So what "straight, hetero guy rejects a woman because she has a vagina?? LMAO. And as for looks a lot of advanced TS women rival Victoria Secret models so how are these "straight, hetero" guys not attracted.?? LMAO (Sorry I can't stop laughing thanks for making my point)

Not to be offensive, but it's the novelty. A post-op looks like a GG, so why have a post-op escort when a GG looks the same? I would admit (I can't NOT admit lol.) that liking pre-ops is a grey area, but then IMO most who like them are into the blend of women's features and a cock. I can't speak for all of course, but then most guys into TSs won't dream of doing or getting done by a man, or find masculine traits attractive. If it were a scale, say 100=straight, 0=gay, then pre-op attraction is about 70 lol..

[LOLA_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CZR0_RGdZo

[Crossover1]

I'm not disagreeing with you it is a complex sexual situation and interest ...it's just not a "straight, hetero" interest and it's not necessarily gay or even bisexual but it is somewhere in between bicurious to bisexual. I've had enough straight guys show great interest in me from my pics on various sites but immediately lose interest once they learn I am trans because they have no sexual interest in someone, male or female, with a cock!
And you said it all with your last sentence that guys who like TSs are not interested in post-op so that blows the whole "Oh we were attracted to you as women!" theory out of the water! So what "straight, hetero guy rejects a woman because she has a vagina?? LMAO. And as for looks a lot of advanced TS women rival Victoria Secret models so how are these "straight, hetero" guys not attracted.?? LMAO (Sorry I can't stop laughing thanks for making my point)

Sorry but a post-op vagina is not a vagina to a "straight" man. It's a unreasonable facsimile. Fake tits, smooth skin, makeup, fem hair and all the rest are perfectly acceptable to some men, but a toy vagina won't cut it. The vagina is the perfectly designed hole for a man's desire. The asshole will do in pinch, but it's not a pussy. So the attraction of a post-op girl is absolutely "inferior" to a gg in that respect. Not only that, there's just something supremely sexy about a woman who is fem in every respect and then bam out comes this juicy cock ready to do damage. LOL.

I think you're missing a complex point: A cock in the context of everything else being "female" is exciting. A man that is not normally drawn to cock may find it tremendously exciting when everything around it is fem. That's the essence of the normally straight man's attraction to the cock--at least initially. After he relaxes a bit, he MIGHT go through stages where he sees the cock as the real live dildo he shoved up his ass in private for years. He might start to experience the submissive feeling of having a cock rammed in his throat, or feeling the pleasure of having hot juice in his mouth from a quivering orgasm of a trans. Or he may just be content ramming a girl in the ass telling himself he's just not into the cock (which sorry to break the bubble, is actually really true of a lot of guys--they're just not into the cock)

The point is that this cascade of emotions and feelings only happen because he has essentially been "tricked" into finding cock attractive because of the context it's in. His eyes travel all around the gorgeous trans women, taking mini-snapshots of all her fem beauty, manufactured or "innate", and it often coalesces in the cock, which is the last "masculine" outpost on this "transformed" body. Opposites attract: a gorgeous hard cock inside soft panties with smooth legs and bum will attract a lot of normally "straight" guys in a way in which beefcake photos of some grizzled bear will not. It's just that simple. Far too many trans women complicate it: There's just not enough fem features for a "straight" guy to get turned on. Pile up enough fem features, and a guy gets activated and maybe he wants to suck cock or have it in his ass, or maybe he just wants to fuck her in the ass. The trans body (well done) is the ultimate hybrid of male and female energies. As men's testosterone declines due to less physical activity and urbanization, it's no wonder this new hybrid person is so arousing.

[Crossover1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CZR0_RGdZo

I think this is great point-of-view. I have debated with trans women why having a cock isn't enough of a "transition" for them to feel a "woman." Along the continuum, every trans woman chooses their level of comfort, and that's great. However, I could get into a very nice complex debate with someone about how gender is irrelevant anyway. Again we all have masculine and feminine characteristics. If you have a super fem gg who is a supreme power-hungry ball buster in every respect, or a super hulking guy who has a passive side, who cares what skin they got brought to the dance in?

[TSFantasia]

Your Going To Need A Bigger Boat! To Float Those Ideas

Sorry but a post-op vagina is not a vagina to a "straight" man. It's a unreasonable facsimile. Fake tits, smooth skin, makeup, fem hair and all the rest are perfectly acceptable to some men, but a toy vagina won't cut it. The vagina is the perfectly designed hole for a man's desire. The asshole will do in pinch, but it's not a pussy. So the attraction of a post-op girl is absolutely "inferior" to a gg in that respect. Not only that, there's just something supremely sexy about a woman who is fem in every respect and then bam out comes this juicy cock ready to do damage. LOL.

I think you're missing a complex point: A cock in the context of everything else being "female" is exciting. A man that is not normally drawn to cock may find it tremendously exciting when everything around it is fem. That's the essence of the normally straight man's attraction to the cock--at least initially. After he relaxes a bit, he MIGHT go through stages where he sees the cock as the real live dildo he shoved up his ass in private for years. He might start to experience the submissive feeling of having a cock rammed in his throat, or feeling the pleasure of having hot juice in his mouth from a quivering orgasm of a trans. Or he may just be content ramming a girl in the ass telling himself he's just not into the cock (which sorry to break the bubble, is actually really true of a lot of guys--they're just not into the cock)

The point is that this cascade of emotions and feelings only happen because he has essentially been "tricked" into finding cock attractive because of the context it's in. His eyes travel all around the gorgeous trans women, taking mini-snapshots of all her fem beauty, manufactured or "innate", and it often coalesces in the cock, which is the last "masculine" outpost on this "transformed" body. Opposites attract: a gorgeous hard cock inside soft panties with smooth legs and bum will attract a lot of normally "straight" guys in a way in which beefcake photos of some grizzled bear will not. It's just that simple. Far too many trans women complicate it: There's just not enough fem features for a "straight" guy to get turned on. Pile up enough fem features, and a guy gets activated and maybe he wants to suck cock or have it in his ass, or maybe he just wants to fuck her in the ass. The trans body (well done) is the ultimate hybrid of male and female energies. As men's testosterone declines due to less physical activity and urbanization, it's no wonder this new hybrid person is so arousing.

Ok I FINALLY understand attraction to pre-op TS women is all about the feminine assets and attributes and very little to do with the genitals. The lack of attraction to post-op TS women is all about the genitals. Check gotcha And of course you have had sex with several post-op women to attest to the inferior nature of their neo-vaginas??

The fact is that the top TS women (ie Lucy, Lola, Lexi, Suzie, Eve Adams, Karoline, Sunshine, Maldita, etc. etc.) are 10/10 on any female attractiveness scale. They all have successful escorting careers so I'm sure they are not in any hurry to get SRS, if at all. If any guy who finds them attractive now no longer does after SRS then that guy is as non-straight as someone who can't get a hard on to fuck a Pamela Anderson, Carmen Electra, Victoria Secret model or S.I. swimsuit model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I91DJZKRxs

[Crossover1]

Ok I FINALLY understand attraction to pre-op TS women is all about the feminine assets and attributes and very little to do with the genitals. The lack of attraction to post-op TS women is all about the genitals. Check gotcha And of course you have had sex with several post-op women to attest to the inferior nature of their neo-vaginas??

The fact is that the top TS women (ie Lucy, Lola, Lexi, Suzie, Eve Adams, Karoline, Sunshine, Maldita, etc. etc.) are 10/10 on any female attractiveness scale. They all have successful escorting careers so I'm sure they are not in any hurry to get SRS, if at all. If any guy who finds them attractive now no longer does after SRS then that guy is as non-straight as someone who can't get a hard on to fuck a Pamela Anderson, Carmen Electra, Victoria Secret model or S.I. swimsuit model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I91DJZKRxs

Where's the eye roll smiley.

I don't think you read what I wrote, just hit reply.

I'm sorry but you're just too jaded and literal to even understand the source of men's attraction to you. It's just not as simple as closeted men wanting to suck dick. But don't worry you're not alone.

And yes, I've fucked a post-op. The fact that you even would suggest that an artificially constructed vagina would ever be the same as a real one is so silly to be absurd. But I guess I FINALLY understand what a real vagina is after fucking a zillion ones while you've fucked....how many? Sarcasm cuts two ways, girl.

Toodles.

[TSFantasia]

Where's the eye roll smiley.

I don't think you read what I wrote, just hit reply.

I'm sorry but you're just too jaded and literal to even understand the source of men's attraction to you. It's just not as simple as closeted men wanting to suck dick. But don't worry you're not alone.

And yes, I've fucked a post-op. The fact that you even would suggest that an artificially constructed vagina would ever be the same as a real one is so silly to be absurd. But I guess I FINALLY understand what a real vagina is after fucking a zillion ones while you've fucked....how many? Sarcasm cuts two ways, girl.

Toodles.

Well I'm sure we could do this round robin thing forever I can appreciate that a "small percentage" of guys who see t-girls view them in the way you say and only have sex with GGs and TSs. I have never had sex with a post-op TS so I have no "up close & personal" experience with a neo-vagina. I do know that one of the top female escorts here in Regina for several years is a post-op TS and only advertises as a female escort. She has great reviews and no suggestions as to having an "inferior" or sub standard vagina. Also the thread about Paris's adventures as a post-op escort operating as female had no suggestions that she was being suspected as post-op TS because of her "unreasonable facsimile" of a vagina but rather due to her stature, voice, and adam's apple (I doubt that she has not had a trachea shave done before her SRS).

Before my transition I was always in hetero relationships so I have been up close & personal with about a "gazillion" vaginas..lol.
And I have affirmation of men & women's (straight,bi, gay) attraction to me everyday both online and in the real world. And have confirmation of the fact that that attraction does not carry on to sexual attraction once they learn what is between my legs based on their sexuality.

[F100]

I would be in that "small percentage" category. I did once, knowingly, have sex with a post-op Tgirl. Quite honestly, I am not certain I would have known she was post-op, if my pre-op friend had not told me first. She did require extra lube, but then, sometimes gg ladies do too. I spent the night with the post-op girl. She was beautiful and smart. We had fun in bed and we had interesting conversations about her transition. For me, the T-lady must be very fem, with breasts, makeup, clothes, voice, demeanor, in short - very passable. For me to walk into a gay bar and pick up a guy - NEVER.

[candyhilton]

speaking of Paris,
I have met her once @ Goodhandies, and she looks like a barbie doll!
Gorgeous from head to toe, sooooo skinny, etc.
To look like that what a dream come true it must be for her.
I know that when she hooks she markets herself as a real girl, but hey good for her. She is a bit taller than her fellow tgirl counterparts but hey what u gonna do about your height ya know?

[Gypsy1955]

speaking of Paris,
I have met her once @ Goodhandies, and she looks like a barbie doll!
Gorgeous from head to toe, sooooo skinny, etc.
To look like that what a dream come true it must be for her.
I know that when she hooks she markets herself as a real girl, but hey good for her. She is a bit taller than her fellow tgirl counterparts but hey what u gonna do about your height ya know?

I only want to say soooo skinny is not attractive. Famous porn star Mint for example...toooooo skinny! Men generally like curves, a woman's figure...boobs, soft and supple! Like yours! Lean or athletic is pretty good to though.

[Hockeydude89]

I'm sure they are not all happy to have to be pre-op. Most of them hold off on surgery due to financial issues, some people I talked to say they are also not content with what the surgery provides. Some of them are content with it just because they are I guess.

[Crossover1]

For me, the T-lady must be very fem, with breasts, makeup, clothes, voice, demeanor, in short - very passable. For me to walk into a gay bar and pick up a guy - NEVER.

This basic fact is NEVER accepted by far too many trans women. It's not even a question for most guys that are "straight". They are simple not interested in men. tgirls offer a hybrid of women that goes directly to their appetite for fem. The cock is just the nice extra equipment at the party. Take away all the fem features and there's no touching the cock. It's really that simple.
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[ooshower]

I like the feminine features with a little something extra. that is what makes tgirls exciting. I guess. So I prefer pre-op with a fully functional package.